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Post by mikespring on Apr 27, 2011 17:33:53 GMT -5
yep... Bill...try a hose and an aquarium air bubblier for venting the gas.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 17:51:36 GMT -5
hey ! We can have an old fashioned smell down at the FTA ! ;D I can see it know! The FlatIron Red Sauce smell off!
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Post by flatiron on Apr 27, 2011 17:56:46 GMT -5
hey ! We can have an old fashioned smell down at the FTA ! ;D I can see it know! The FlatIron Red Sauce smell off! AJ , better bring your jar ------------- I'm a bit low . You know yer a red neck when smelling rotten down fox's butts for fun . I'll bring some stuff for you boys to smell , AND ya be able to smell me after say ---------------two days ! ;D
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Post by mikespring on Apr 27, 2011 18:04:34 GMT -5
Why do you feel the need for a "constant tempature"...Trust me the decomposing mulch gets very warm but not hot enough to kill bacteria.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 18:21:14 GMT -5
Why the love affair with bacteria? What are your odds of getting the same bacteria from Batch to Batch? My only point on boiling the glands is to break them down. I suppose I could always culture the broken down glands with fresh glands if that's the thought.
Von, I can see it now! It will be like a Red Neck wine tasting fest!
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Post by bballou on Apr 27, 2011 18:38:51 GMT -5
AJ ---dont think its a love affair with bacteria----I dont think any of us want to give up the idea of the glands getting BETTER WITH AGE. (Jest My openion- )---we all got what works for us---and we are a bit hesitent to go in another direction.--------Except Von----he will eat ---or drink anything if he has HOT peppers to go with it---That is what I have been told.
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Post by Denny Emery on Apr 27, 2011 19:05:21 GMT -5
How about one of those potpourri/candle heaters? You could put whatever watt bulb you wanted to help speed up the process, 7 watt, 15 watt for a little more heat....
Denny
This thread has really taken off....
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Post by jdpaint on Apr 27, 2011 19:16:00 GMT -5
Can a k-9 pick out each ingrediant in a lure or do the ingredients together make 1 smell?what is the #1 ingrediant to add to red or grey glands?
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Post by bobsamuelson on Apr 27, 2011 19:27:07 GMT -5
Mike, the mulch idea has merit as it gets warm, but not to the 160 degree range. AJ, bacteria is what "breaks" down the glands while they age. If you are using a container to age your glands, and you use that supply in lure making, DO NOT wash the container! It already has bacteria in it & that bacteria will get started quickly breaking down the next batch of glands you put in that container. Other wise, it will take a little longer to start the aging process. As I said earlier, boiling changes the molecular structure of the glands. They may work, but you are going to get a different type of lure than a true gland lure. Possibly something more along the lines of a food type lure. By adding raw glands to a boiled gland mixture will reintroduce bacteria to the mix, it must still age until the glands are broken down. Otherwise, your gland mixture will continue to "work" in formulation, possibly resulting in leaking bottles from the resultant gases.
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Post by Denny Emery on Apr 27, 2011 19:30:06 GMT -5
That sounds like that bread (Amish) or whatever that has a starter and you just keep it going, same principle?
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Post by mikespring on Apr 27, 2011 19:34:14 GMT -5
Bob....No kidding,I dont want to cook the glands.
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Post by bballou on Apr 27, 2011 19:54:20 GMT -5
I dont know about the rest of you guys----but this is the first time I have been introduced to heating Glands---and the out come of doing it ----Very intresting to me. I have asked and read all I can find about the action of bacteria---- when used to break down a product---- and the action that continues with time. Jest another part of the trapping equation I guess.---Thanks a lot ----its rely enjoyable to me.
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Post by bobsamuelson on Apr 27, 2011 19:56:34 GMT -5
Mike, the point I was making was just that! You don't want to cook the glands. Letting them age naturally creates heat, so why add heat to the process? If using heat was such a good idea, then why do all the big lure makers use naturally aged glands, some several years old?
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Post by mikespring on Apr 27, 2011 20:27:05 GMT -5
Adding the right amount of heat I feel is benificial to a quicker breakdown of the glands...bacteria thrives in a warmer environment Right?? Big lure makers are good buisness men...thats all I have to say about that,lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 20:28:27 GMT -5
Are you sure about that Bob? I have heard a very large lure maker "rendered" his glands. It's a hallmark of trapping. I'm not doubting your knowledge, just like to think out of the square a little.
Why are so many gland lures so different?
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Post by flatiron on Apr 28, 2011 6:07:18 GMT -5
I reckon I'm too old school , hard headed and wary to be cooking glands . Age , grind and age some more ( the longer the better ) to start cooking glands . As I've stated before ------------ it all works -------------- jsut some better than others . I'm often asked about reluring after a catch ------------ my answer is well ------------ often this . I seldom relure after making a catch , yep ! thats correct ----------- nothing ! especially in the warm weather early in the year . Late season ----------- a different story !
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Post by bballou on Apr 28, 2011 6:09:10 GMT -5
jdpaint and AJ--- asked a couple of questions I-d like to give my openion on.--jd asked if K9's smelled each ingredient of a lure or the total mass lumped together I M O---when they first smell the lure---its the total combined smell they smell---and then if they take there time (like some of us ) they can seperate the different ingredients. And AJ asked why so many gland lures are different I think its because so many of us trappers and lure builders are so much different.I have probably well over 100 different formulas for fox gland lure---many of the ingredients are the same ---but the amount used is different--- I belive it comes down to ----WHAT WORKS FOR US .----BEFORE I forget jd asked about most common ingredient ----other than the glands and presertives ---its close but I think Muskrat glands.
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Post by flatiron on Apr 28, 2011 6:14:43 GMT -5
Geez ! not one person has mentioned ----------- weasel glands !
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Post by bobsamuelson on Apr 28, 2011 15:03:36 GMT -5
Von, possibly because real weasel glands are hard to come by. Artificial weasel gland replacement is available and I have been told it works just as well in formulation.
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Post by jdpaint on Apr 28, 2011 16:16:09 GMT -5
When does one add the rat or weasel glands or an ingrediant ? Are they aged or frozen fresh and then added? Everything aged together?Why are greyfox gland lures not popular ?
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Post by mikespring on Apr 28, 2011 16:22:34 GMT -5
If I were trapping grey fox only...or had a higher concentration of greys I would most definitely change my bait and lure to be grey fox specific. After your fox glands are where you want them then add your other ingredients.
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Post by jdpaint on Apr 28, 2011 16:31:27 GMT -5
Thanks. Besides experience how will i know if the glands are where I want them?Anything to look for or a certain oder?
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Post by mikespring on Apr 28, 2011 16:53:55 GMT -5
I know from following your calling posts you take reds and greys in the winter....you want your glands to smell like those late killed reds or greys....some like a mellower smell, I like mine strong and adjust amount used at the set to keep the non targets to a minimum. As far as the additives, I know when to add i just want my fox lure to be a true fox gland lure so I dont add any thing to them. I feel adding additional ingrediants will turn your gland lure into more of a curiosity lure which can be a good thing at times.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 17:12:32 GMT -5
Interesting perspective Mike. I would say rotted fox flesh is nothing more then a curiosity to a fox. Even in it's pure form aged like fine wine, there is nothing natural about it IMO.
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Post by mikespring on Apr 28, 2011 17:35:06 GMT -5
I agree with ya AJ, I really dont there is anything natural about it but it works...Why, I dont know. If canids really can pick apart lures like some say they can I wonder what the fox or coyote is thinking when they smell 200 rotted/aged glands at a scent post.......comunal party spot? ?
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