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Post by mole on Aug 20, 2014 4:36:39 GMT -5
Is it the card saying you are a member? Is it the magazine you receive for being a member? Is the constant battle your money funds to protect your right to pursue the sport that you enjoy in this State? Debbie & I are both members and are Thankful for all that NYSTA does for us.
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Post by oakhilltrappin on Aug 20, 2014 6:13:08 GMT -5
To me Mole...has nothing to do with that little card that says I'm a member, the magazine, it's a great perk....but I join for everything that goes on behind the scenes that I don't see, I join because if not for those volunteers we wouldn't have such a great convention to go to next week nor would we have anyone in Albany fighting for us !!
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Post by countryboynwco on Aug 20, 2014 6:41:03 GMT -5
I joined for much the same reason ! I don't just want a card or a magazine, I want to help and spread knowledge of the outdoors ! I believe trapping is a valuable wildlife management tool and management is important ! Left unchecked our forests become overgrown, wildlife becomes overpopulated and spreads disease. People don't understand this, and joining an organization like nysta I want to become actively involved and help educate people who cannot see the importance of wildlife management !
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Post by trappermac on Aug 20, 2014 6:56:58 GMT -5
For me it's always been about what the NYSTA does to protect trappers rights, help establish sound trapping practices along with the DEC, etc. If there was no magazine I would still be a member and get the mag on my own, I subscribe to all of them anyways and could care less about a card. But, although many of us feel this way we can't ignore the fact that we live in a "I want it now" fast food/fast get it...society. Sometimes folks just want something in their hands to confirm what they did. And when I was a young guy just getting into this I looked forward to getting something back in the mail from the NYSTA, a card, decal, whatever. It was like getting my FFG or a bottle of lure, it just felt good. How we feel about things at mid-life and beyond isn't necessarily how a young guy or gal feels about it. Again, what is in the best interest of the NYSTA is what matters, not our individual opinions on how WE perceive others should view it.
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Post by tmc on Aug 20, 2014 8:18:09 GMT -5
I agree. But what I think is also very important but almost always overlooked is that many of these "complaints" are coming from people that are not whining, or demanding that they "WANT IT NOW!!!", or that they demand to have the card or the magazine so much as the fact that when they're signing up, they're being promised, implicitly or explicitly, that they're going to be getting certain things with their membership ALONG WITH the representation to fight the good fight, namely a "card" and a "magazine." And when they don't receive these promised items, their human nature shows and the "complaints" may well be thinly veiled doubts about what other promised things are ALSO not being fulfilled. You talk about people no longer being patient and delaying gratification and the whole host of other flaws and issues that go with "modern society," but what about the same APPARENT lack of the "old fashioned values" of honoring what one has promised to do, and is clearly, and admittedly NOT being done regularly, for all who were promised? Ben Franklin said it best when he stated, "A promise made is a debt unpaid." Consider that a complaint for something promised and not delivered is no different that a legitimate unpaid, overdue debt being handed over to a collection agency and that agency is calling on you to pay up and honor your promised obligations. No one made you take out that loan or service, and no one made you promise to give a card or magazine. And if you make the promise and make it a part of their REASON, by making it a BENEFIT of joining, you ARE implying those benefits ARE clearly important, so don't get mad when "they" get mad about not getting what YOU told them WAS important, TO THEM!
I am not coming down on NYSTA. In fact, even my other posts about this matter generally gently try to illuminate that the hand on the pointing finger has four pointing back at them. What I AM saying is that YES, I know that it's frustrating, and that neither side appears to be willing to walk a mile in the other's shoes, and even more that the need to even DO that is unnecessary because "THEY," IS, "US!," in this case! I KNOW how short-handed NYSTA is, and how demanding and thankless AND VITALLY IMPORTANT the work is, but lately it's devolved into more of an irate retaliation that no one appreciates anything you do. Well, how about cancelling the cards and magazines instead of promising that they'll absolutely be getting one? Then, no one can or will EVER be legitimately EXPECTING you to follow through on your promise? If the representation is REALLY all that matters, as so many say it is (and I completely agree), then WHY paint the picture that the "benefits" to prospective members for joining NYSTA ARE the card and magazine?!?! YOU ARE SHOOTING YOURSELVES IN THE FOOT AND BLAMING THE BYSTANDERS. "So then what do we give prospective members as a benefit for joining if not the card and magazine?" How about underpromising and overdelivering on what REALLY counts (EXCELLENT, UNPARALLELED REPRESENTATION!!) instead of overpromising and underdelivering on what DOESN'T?
You guys are great, you absolutely are the unsung, unnoticed, underappreciated HEROES of this great tradition and ESPECIALLY for the foes that you not only hold off but DEFEAT on a regular basis, and in NY those foes are far more formidable than any on other states I know of. I KNOW you're not looking for any accolades, none of you, past or present and I'm certain future, as well. It's no-pay, carry the load for everyone, HARD and tedious WORK and more times than you'll ever admit the time cost far outweighs ANY of the financial costs, TO YOU, directly and personally.
And to the guys that ARE just whining and complaining, and not the guys legitimately ASKING "what's up wif dis & dat?," get over it and give 'em a break. Better yet, roll up the sleeves and give 'em a hand. Including applause, they've more than deserved it. They always have.
Yeah. I'm fed up. My 97-year-old Dad went into the hospital in early June for a simple case of dehydration, and through a neverending series of INCOMPETENCE and misdiagnosing and giving the absolutely wrong drugs and a world of everything else WRONG, he's now being sent home to die. Oh excuse me, they now call it "comfort care." For what?!?! He was just playing golf before he went in, as strong as me. And now he's too weak to even swallow without it all going into his lungs, and they -- ah... nevermind. Bottom line is, go ahead and flame me for writing what I did. I do not care. I am so ready for a fight myself. And you do not want to EFF with me today. If I did not care about this site or you guys or this great tradition OR NYSTA and you guys that fight the fight, I'd just snicker at what petty little wussies Y'ALL are and click the little friggin' "X" and make you go away and out of my little world. I DO CARE and this fighting is nothing more than ALL of us being divided and conquered, BY OURSELVES, and our enemy laughs because they didn't have to do a thing to rip us apart. They'll just waltz in and clean up the helpless pieces. So go for it. Kick me out for whatever violations, so what. Being a member of this site was voluntary and came with no promises, only rules. And I voluntarily accepted them.
Rant off. Adios.
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Aug 20, 2014 8:22:27 GMT -5
??...you should heed your own advice
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Post by tmc on Aug 20, 2014 8:45:13 GMT -5
Meaning what? WHEN did I ever disparage NYSTA? WHEN did I complain? If you're referring to the thread where I made a point - nytrappers.proboards.com/thread/28941/joined-nysta - the first part of my post was tongue-in-cheek, directed at the complaints/complainers, NOT the NYSTA or it's officers. Read the rest of what I wrote, it was in defense of NYSTA. So again I ask, WHEN?
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Post by tmc on Aug 20, 2014 10:48:05 GMT -5
Sorry, Dale. The last thing I'm trying to do is put more weight on the burdens you guys carry. I wish I'd counted to 145,000,000 before hitting "reply" to any of this. No excuses. Thanks again.
- Tim
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Aug 20, 2014 14:17:25 GMT -5
no prob tim....thanks for the reply
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Post by saquelie on Aug 20, 2014 14:52:28 GMT -5
Life is to short. Don't sweat the small stuff.
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Post by tony1967 on Aug 20, 2014 16:16:46 GMT -5
Group hug
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Post by tmc on Aug 20, 2014 17:01:32 GMT -5
But I stink too bad for hugs. No wait, my niece has been studying Shakespeare, I've learned that I should say: "I stinketh. Henceforth, from hugs I must refrain."
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Post by uncledoug on Aug 20, 2014 17:23:34 GMT -5
Well I joined because I was hanging out here on this Forum and heard from others what NYSTA does. Decided I wanted to be a part of it. The T.P. is also a plus. I would also join a local Trappers Assc. if there was one. Hope to see everyone at the convention.
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Post by jdpaint on Aug 20, 2014 18:12:31 GMT -5
Is it the card saying you are a member? Is it the magazine you receive for being a member? Is the constant battle your money funds to protect your right to pursue the sport that you enjoy in this State? Debbie & I are both members and are Thankful for all that NYSTA does for us. #3. Is there a fund of some type or way to contribute more to the Mr . Miller / Legislative piece of the pie chart? Also can you steer me in the right direction of who is in charge of the news letter? Id like to opt out of the mailing to save postage ,I can easily read it on the website. I think it was an option awhile ago. Thank you.
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Post by Itrapny on Aug 20, 2014 18:29:26 GMT -5
You can send a donation to the NYSTA Treasurer stating that you would like it to go to Dave expenses....at the same time, you can let Dale know that you would like to opt of the newsletter too
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Post by jdpaint on Aug 20, 2014 18:39:36 GMT -5
Thanks.
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Aug 20, 2014 18:43:05 GMT -5
we are in the process of setting up a 501 (c)(3) called Empire Wildlife sub NYSTA. Anyone making a donation to Empire Wildlife will be able to deduct that contribution on their tax return. This is another fundraising effort for our cause.
All the anti's have similar plans for their orgs. & we all know how much money they generate. Details will be posted on here when finalized
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Post by richg072 on Aug 20, 2014 19:50:54 GMT -5
Someone on here posted the percentage of the trappers here in NY that belong to the NYSTA, and it was very small. I don't want to step on toes, or point fingers, or downgrade the work that has been done by the guys in charge already, just want to give my opinion as someone new coming into trapping. I myself had no idea what the NYSTA was or what they did until I read posts on here, and then quickly joined. I think NYSTA is not being promoted, or put out there per say, enough to reach out to the new trappers for them to know what they are and what they do. When I took my trappers course not one word was mentioned of NYSTA, but there were plenty of fur fish and game and other mags to be handed out. Why couldn't we get in touch with the instructors and have membership packets handed out to these students as well as a presentation on what the NYSTA is about and why they should join.
I believe the website should be more interactive, videos, pictures of conventions, trapping tips etc. I'm sure there has been a lot of work on the one there now and I wish I knew how to do stuff like that as I would help. Maybe someone from the Rockland county trappers could pitch in to help, as if you go to theirs its pretty good. Has their been any talk about getting on Facebook to reach out for members? Some of the hunting groups I belong to on there talk about trapping and I try to tell them to join the association.
Just some thoughts I had, hopefully I didn't offend anyone. Just want to help get the membership up as I would hate to see trapping lost.
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Post by tony1967 on Aug 20, 2014 21:18:37 GMT -5
I think the biggest thing is to join any group we can. Strength in numbers.
I have recently joined the NYSTA, the NTA and will be joining my local group in Franklinville.
As someone else said in one of the threads, we probably spend way more in beer, coffee, or our cel phone bills. We need to join these groups to support the sport we love.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 8:55:16 GMT -5
Someone on here posted the percentage of the trappers here in NY that belong to the NYSTA, and it was very small. I don't want to step on toes, or point fingers, or downgrade the work that has been done by the guys in charge already, just want to give my opinion as someone new coming into trapping. I myself had no idea what the NYSTA was or what they did until I read posts on here, and then quickly joined. I think NYSTA is not being promoted, or put out there per say, enough to reach out to the new trappers for them to know what they are and what they do. When I took my trappers course not one word was mentioned of NYSTA, but there were plenty of fur fish and game and other mags to be handed out. Why couldn't we get in touch with the instructors and have membership packets handed out to these students as well as a presentation on what the NYSTA is about and why they should join. I believe the website should be more interactive, videos, pictures of conventions, trapping tips etc. I'm sure there has been a lot of work on the one there now and I wish I knew how to do stuff like that as I would help. Maybe someone from the Rockland county trappers could pitch in to help, as if you go to theirs its pretty good. Has their been any talk about getting on Facebook to reach out for members? Some of the hunting groups I belong to on there talk about trapping and I try to tell them to join the association. Just some thoughts I had, hopefully I didn't offend anyone. Just want to help get the membership up as I would hate to see trapping lost. Thanks for acknowledging the Rockland Trappers Web page. I assumed that role when I took office in January. Luckily, the hard part was already done a few years ago. Web page upkeep is no easy task and is time consuming.
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Post by RLMcoyote7 on Aug 21, 2014 9:12:33 GMT -5
Life is to short. Don't sweat the small stuff. x2
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Post by bearman60 on Aug 22, 2014 13:44:18 GMT -5
we should all be thankful for what we still have as trappers,and thankful for what we have done for us by other members.my hat off to all who work on this site and others just for the love of the sport
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Post by bmtrapper on Aug 23, 2014 6:53:15 GMT -5
I'm with uncledoug, i joined for the reason to be apart of something great . As with anything else in this present time in the world you need to have representation for things that you believe in and that cost money. Thanks to everyone that helps out , from officials , donators and also wives for being patient.
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Post by herm on Aug 23, 2014 8:25:42 GMT -5
Is it the card saying you are a member? Is it the magazine you receive for being a member? Is the constant battle your money funds to protect your right to pursue the sport that you enjoy in this State? Debbie & I are both members and are Thankful for all that NYSTA does for us. I dont have a membership card because I told Dale to save the 50 cents on the cost of mailing me one.
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Post by pauljohnson on Aug 24, 2014 11:59:09 GMT -5
For what its worth, A membership card magazine, nor promises are a reason tho join any organization, Joining any association is about what the association stands for. NYSTA is this states best association to defend our privilege of trapping. Trapping, hunting and fishing in my life is a way of life. My family as well as that of others I know, put food on their tables and clothes on the backs of their children from hunting and trapping. NYSTA is about preserving a way of life me and my family rely on. Thats why I'm a member. I don't agree with all of NYSTA policies. If we would all agree, that would be a perfect world and that will never happen. Thats why voting was invented. I will be at Frankfort on Wednesday with my 13 year old daughter to assist with the the set up for the convention. Wayne. What time will the gate open?
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