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Post by herm on Apr 19, 2016 19:00:38 GMT -5
Just my opinion here, going by memory and I am not speaking for the NYSTA. We have tried to get a state wide bill passed before and failed. It was felt by many to start and try getting it passed in the Northern Zone as it might have a much better chance of passing. If all went well with that, then try to bring the Southern Zone inline with the Northern Zone in the future.
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Post by walleyed on Apr 19, 2016 19:32:07 GMT -5
Just my opinion here, going by memory and I am not speaking for the NYSTA. We have tried to get a state wide bill passed before and failed. It was felt by many to start and try getting it passed in the Northern Zone as it might have a much better chance of passing. If all went well with that, then try to bring the Southern Zone inline with the Northern Zone in the future. YUP, Spot On Herm !!!! w
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Post by walleyed on Apr 19, 2016 19:41:46 GMT -5
Very long story , Dave Miller has worked in Albany for years on this issue . The wording and specifics have to be perfect. He has been told it will not pass and specifics will need to be changed . Essentially the trappers of N.Y. are back at square one thanks to those who shouldn't be involved in this process . We have been thrown under the bus before by these or this individual before . I'd really like to know if our president endorsed this endeavor. BUT , we'll probably never know . Much like politicians say " we didn't lie , we just didn't tell everything." Yup Von, Also Spot on Like Herm, Thrown Under The Bus By A LOOSE CANNON !!! Specifically, with The Draft Fisher Management Plan and "Someone" Influencing The NYSCC To Endorse The Fisher Draft Management Plan Sight-Unseen, despite It Numerous Flaws, and circumventing The NYSTA Leadership, and The NYSTA Board Of directors with Said Unilateral Endorsement of Said Fisher Management Plan. Amateur Wanna-Be Mucking up The works !!! Definitely a LOOSE CANNON !!! All in My Opinion, Of Course. w
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Post by walleyed on Apr 19, 2016 19:43:27 GMT -5
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Post by flatiron on Apr 19, 2016 20:01:08 GMT -5
I've been livid since reading where our NYSTA president gave the go ahead on this . I think there are many half truths being told by the parties involved , while this issue was brought up last weekend our president was unusually quiet which is so unlike him. Bob , you've hit the nail on the head with the other issues also in capitals . UNDER THE BUS AGAIN! To those involved ----- leave trapping issues to those who are more knowledgeable of how the process works . You have once again ruined what little credibility you had and that of our NYSTA president as well!
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Post by trappermac on Apr 20, 2016 4:58:28 GMT -5
So I'm confused. Dave Millers letter posted to the NYSTA website is in support of this bill (9462A). And now I read that he claims it won't pass? So why did he ask for support? Reading all this leads one to believe that there is dissention among the ranks of power...a split in leadership perhaps. This will do nothing to gather support for anything. Not until someone comes out and calls a spade a spade instead of talking in inuendos. Dave or someone needs to respond to whats been written here so that NYS trappers know what they should support. All this crap does is show weakness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 13:44:58 GMT -5
Can some one bring me up to speed? Is it the Bow hunters or the hounds men that screwed us? I'm thinking Bow Hunters.
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Post by bobsamuelson on Apr 20, 2016 15:23:14 GMT -5
No, AJ, the Conservation Council screwed us, again!
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Post by trappermac on Apr 20, 2016 16:31:50 GMT -5
So do we support the bill or not? If we're screwed is it worth supporting? Nice to have so much information being relayed to us! Do I need facebook to get the straight scoop on this?
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Post by Lonny Mattison on Apr 21, 2016 7:47:25 GMT -5
Can some one bring me up to speed? Is it the Bow hunters or the hounds men that screwed us? I'm thinking Bow Hunters. REALLY? WHAT AN AS$!!
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Post by tmc on Apr 21, 2016 7:55:28 GMT -5
So, ...WTF?!?! NOW what are we supposed to do? Based on the fact that this was even listed here, the impression was that it was a good thing. So is it, or not? If not, I've got some emailing and phone calling to do.
...and a whole bunch of "leaders" here have some 'SPLAININ to do, and need to do it NOW.
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Post by herm on Apr 21, 2016 8:30:44 GMT -5
No, AJ, the Conservation Council screwed us, again! Actually this time the person contacting the legislators to change this bill said he represented the FWMB, as per what was reported at the NYSTA BOD Meeting. The FWMB primary function is to promote access for sportsmen on private lands. Why they would become involved in this issue is beyond me.
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Post by flatiron on Apr 21, 2016 8:53:24 GMT -5
So, ...WTF?!?! NOW what are we supposed to do? Based on the fact that this was even listed here, the impression was that it was a good thing. So is it, or not? If not, I've got some emailing and phone calling to do. ...and a whole bunch of "leaders" here have some 'SPLAININ to do, and need to do it NOW. The person that needs to explain this is Ed Hogan , he knew about it at the BOD meeting and NEVER said a word !
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Post by REDNECK on Apr 22, 2016 7:54:25 GMT -5
I was lost from the start but I knew the regular member's who are always keeping us all filled in like Mr Miller him self or von just a few names were not posting any place about this issue so I just sat and tryed to see what was going on oh man good thing my brain works slower them most I would of felt like a ass and could not show my face thinking I threw us all under the bus hope we all can recover and find out what's all going on with this all I feel this is going to make a lot of friends into enemy's and that's not cool at all
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Post by trappermac on Apr 22, 2016 9:13:20 GMT -5
Can some one bring me up to speed? Is it the Bow hunters or the hounds men that screwed us? I'm thinking Bow Hunters. REALLY? WHAT AN AS$!! Lonny; I think AJ just had an idle pot stirrer that day so he put it to work. He's harmless.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 9:39:46 GMT -5
lol, relax Lonny, Mac is right on.
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Post by tmc on Apr 22, 2016 16:59:16 GMT -5
I was lost from the start but I knew the regular member's who are always keeping us all filled in like Mr Miller him self or von just a few names were not posting any place about this issue so I just sat and tryed to see what was going on oh man good thing my brain works slower them most I would of felt like a ass and could not show my face thinking I threw us all under the bus hope we all can recover and find out what's all going on with this all I feel this is going to make a lot of friends into enemy's and that's not cool at all Well, that's all fine and good but I had no idea. No idea who rednuts was/is, no idea what he was up to or that it was a bad idea, or anything else. It would've been better if one or more of "the regular members" had chimed in to give a warning rather than wait until after the bait was taken to speak up. No problem, won't be showing my face either.
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Post by jdpaint on Apr 22, 2016 18:25:34 GMT -5
I was lost from the start but I knew the regular member's who are always keeping us all filled in like Mr Miller him self or von just a few names were not posting any place about this issue so I just sat and tryed to see what was going on oh man good thing my brain works slower them most I would of felt like a ass and could not show my face thinking I threw us all under the bus hope we all can recover and find out what's all going on with this all I feel this is going to make a lot of friends into enemy's and that's not cool at all Im your huckleberry.Your post insinuating we are asses for supporting something we believe in is absurd.Least I know what side of the fence i piss on. Sure they say yaa for cables as long as it is up north . Hope you dont all fall for thinking you would see cables in 2 years on the back side.Its all a moot point because that bill was dead and would not pass just for NZ. The state wide bills are fine and gaining more support but need even more state wide support to the Assembly from people/trappers who decide for themselves if they support state wide cables . Decide for your selves.If Mr.Hogan had the nads to stand up and represent trappers statewide then kudos to him.I trully remember NYSTA first draft on the fisher plan ,third Saturday in NOV. ring a bell? Its always been NYSTA and the director stance for us to contact our elected leaders ,is it different now ,that in doing that, we are finally gaining ground and support?
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Post by flatiron on Apr 22, 2016 20:11:11 GMT -5
I was lost from the start but I knew the regular member's who are always keeping us all filled in like Mr Miller him self or von just a few names were not posting any place about this issue so I just sat and tryed to see what was going on oh man good thing my brain works slower them most I would of felt like a ass and could not show my face thinking I threw us all under the bus hope we all can recover and find out what's all going on with this all I feel this is going to make a lot of friends into enemy's and that's not cool at all Well, that's all fine and good but I had no idea. No idea who rednuts was/is, no idea what he was up to or that it was a bad idea, or anything else. It would've been better if one or more of "the regular members" had chimed in to give a warning rather than wait until after the bait was taken to speak up. No problem, won't be showing my face either. None of us knew until the BOD meeting but suspected some was amiss .
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Post by trappermac on Apr 22, 2016 20:12:57 GMT -5
Well I guess we'll have to see how the bill does eh JD? If it dies then I guess Dave Miller was correct. My first instinct is to trust NYSTA.
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Post by jdpaint on Apr 22, 2016 20:28:43 GMT -5
For sure.Either way. Your choice. My choice.At least I know I tried to do my little part in getting another tool for all trappers who choose to use them ,rather than do nothing.
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Post by REDNECK on Apr 22, 2016 22:42:48 GMT -5
Sorry to any one thinking I am calling you or any one a ass I was speaking for my self I am a new guy to trapping and don't know a lot about it so I go by what I read on the forum and what other trappers tell me and I am all for my and your rights to keep this sport and to improve the tools I try not to be the guy who knows it all because I don't so I am a nysta member to try to keep up on any changes in this sport\life style so please don't think I am here to throw any one under the bus I don't know what happened still and thought every one was on the same page ...our rights and to keep what we have and I am all for cabils restraints as long as it's done ethically and responsible and as you all know it's better to be face to face to talk this out as for you can't really put it in words over a forum and i cant spell for crap so I will hold my tongue on forums and just hope I don't make friends my enemys sorry if any one took it the wrong way
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Post by REDNECK on Apr 22, 2016 22:51:10 GMT -5
I was lost from the start but I knew the regular member's who are always keeping us all filled in like Mr Miller him self or von just a few names were not posting any place about this issue so I just sat and tryed to see what was going on oh man good thing my brain works slower them most I would of felt like a ass and could not show my face thinking I threw us all under the bus hope we all can recover and find out what's all going on with this all I feel this is going to make a lot of friends into enemy's and that's not cool at all Well, that's all fine and good but I had no idea. No idea who rednuts was/is, no idea what he was up to or that it was a bad idea, or anything else. It would've been better if one or more of "the regular members" had chimed in to give a warning rather than wait until after the bait was taken to speak up. No problem, won't be showing my face either. You did no wrong you did the same as I read it I don't know who all the key players are in nysta and who fights for our rights and laws so I bet a lot feel the same way hope I don't eat my words or get any oneelts mad at me this is the last thing I want
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Post by REDNECK on Apr 22, 2016 23:14:19 GMT -5
For sure.Either way. Your choice. My choice.At least I know I tried to do my little part in getting another tool for all trappers who choose to use them ,rather than do nothing. Please don't think I was calling you a ass for doing what you do every one is out to get this bill passed so we all try to do our part can't shoot every one for trying right like I said I am new to this sport \life style and don't know a lot about it but one thing is for shore I love it ! hope my kids will have it to pass down so I blame my self for speaking out and saying the wrong things and not knowing more about a association I am part of and its key players today is the first time I Read any thing about the two year plan in the northern zone so I know vary little about what's going on with this bill and what the legal parts are about again y'all know I am a bit slower then most so this is why I really on this forum and a few of the trappers who know a hell of a lot more then me the vearens of this trade where I am for cabils I I hope we get them I don't give a Dam if it one regiononly gets them it's a step in the right direction so on the law part of it all all I know is we are trying to get them and don't know any thing elts I just go by what I read on here so please don't think I am trying to piss in any ones cheerios and make any one have me I just will keep my mouth shut from now on because I spoke about some thing I know vary little about sorry for my Rant but I feel I had to defend my self because I am not trying to piss any one off next time I see ya beers on me
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Post by Lonny Mattison on Apr 23, 2016 5:47:18 GMT -5
lol, relax Lonny, Mac is right on. No harm. I just get riled when the Houndsmen get a finger pointed at.
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