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Post by njtrapper on Feb 2, 2016 22:19:02 GMT -5
not one animal in this pic died from a trap except some of the beavers that were caught in 330's, every fox was alive and well and I actually released about 10 more that were rubbed at the end of the season
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Post by dereka on Feb 2, 2016 22:38:28 GMT -5
I would love to have the opportunity to use them in NY.
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Post by njtrapper on Feb 2, 2016 22:44:36 GMT -5
I am not saying a CR is the best for every sinerio but it is def a good tool to have in your tool bag, and in my opinion instead of fighting each other you should be banning together to get this passed, then learn how to use it correctly and decide if it is for you or not, we are finally gaining some strength and support down here, we just got the dp traps passed which was a uphill battle but we got it, the next thing is to try to get the leg holds off the banned list, will it happen I don't know but I can tell you we are getting a younger trapper base who have a more open mind and are willing to speak up.
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Post by njtrapper on Feb 2, 2016 22:47:08 GMT -5
cr are great for mink also, if I catch 20 mink a year 15 are in cr and 5 are in 110's
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Post by ellwood on Feb 3, 2016 7:37:58 GMT -5
TO njtrapper: Pardon me, but I am very curious how hundreds of bird dogs miss your cable restraints while sniffing out game birds. I honestly can't even see how that is possible. Hundreds of dogs--- and not even one sticks their head in a noose? Seriously? You are fortunate to have permission there-----If it was my Pheasant Farm, you wouldn't. I can almost see where CR's could be a possibility in the Northern Zone----say 1000' or more from a dwelling. And Ellwood, you certainly don't have 10-15' of snow this year, because I am there quite often and there is less than 6" of snow right now. I still vote against CR's. I think they are a problem waiting to happen. Ron Ya, this year is an exception with the snow. You are right, they are a problem waiting to happen. I guess i'll turn all my guns in now. They must be the problem waiting to happen also. I hear phrases like guns don't kill people, people kill people. I guess the idea of responsible trappers must be another slang term also. Just my opinion. It just bothers me that when something like this comes up instead of finding common ground among ourselves(trappers) many of us are taking an emotionally personal view and letting the anti's sit back and laugh at us fighting with each other.
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Post by paintedpaw on Feb 3, 2016 11:25:11 GMT -5
I am not opposed to CR's; I simply don't know enough about them.I do welcome them as an additional tool for trappers. Would love to see them legal for beaver under ice. I do, however, have two questions. Why is it that in this proposed legislation that only the northern zone is affected? Why not the entire state? Also I have great concerns about pelt damage,
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Post by mud on Feb 3, 2016 15:29:07 GMT -5
You WILL see an inrease in slights with cable..But thats caused mostly from the entanglement here. They can beat themselves up pretty good depending on what they get into, but in a no entanglement situation it would be minimal. You would need to be careful of putting them on too short an extension to an earth anchor..If its too short then can damage their underside between their front legs from the bad angle of a short extension to the anchor..
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Post by walleyed on Feb 3, 2016 16:01:49 GMT -5
I have to disagree saying that the criminals could use it illegally so everyone shouldn't have it is like saying that ice cream should be outlawed because it makes people fat. I will never agree with that way of thinking. Hi snowrd, I never meant to imply that we shouldn't have the legal Use of Cable restraints as a Fur Management Tool. What I pointed out was that if and when we get the Legal use of them, We will Very Soon be sporting Our Trapper's Black Eye because some Nitwit used them Illegally, Unethically, and Irrationally, and John Q.Public WILL blame the Device Rather than the Law-breaking Moronic Imbecile that used it improperly. All Of The Trapping Community will Be Painted with The same Broad Brush as the Law breaking Poacher. I'm Just playing Devil's advocate here.......Will It Be worth the Risk of gaining a New and effective Trapping Tool But end up Losing more in the Long Run because the Non-Trapping Public will Blame All of Us because the Mistakes of The Minority ? w
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Post by redknot on Feb 4, 2016 12:50:40 GMT -5
Al, I agree about the use of Cr’s State-wide, in fact this is why I was looking for Ed Hogan’s email address. I was contacted early last year by Assemblyman Magee’s office and was asked the exact question “why only northern zone”? I had been under the impression the bill had been written for allowing state-wide use. I spoke with Ed Hogan last fall about this issue and told him then that it would be best if we could work together on an amended bill to State-wide. As a legislative representative to the FWMB I am obligated to move in the direction of the sportsmen and women here. Two months ago the affiliated conservation clubs voted to seek a mechanism for a State-wide bill. I’d like to work with the NYSTA to amend the existing bill and help seek additional support for that bill. I really do not wish to be at odds with the NYSTA. Jim
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Post by wcs on Feb 4, 2016 13:01:16 GMT -5
Al, I agree about the use of Cr’s State-wide, in fact this is why I was looking for Ed Hogan’s email address. I was contacted early last year by Assemblyman Magee’s office and was asked the exact question “why only northern zone”? I had been under the impression the bill had been written for allowing state-wide use. I spoke with Ed Hogan last fall about this issue and told him then that it would be best if we could work together on an amended bill to State-wide. As a legislative representative to the FWMB I am obligated to move in the direction of the sportsmen and women here. Two months ago the affiliated conservation clubs voted to seek a mechanism for a State-wide bill. I’d like to work with the NYSTA to amend the existing bill and help seek additional support for that bill. I really do not wish to be at odds with the NYSTA. Jim I sent Mr Hogan an email right after I started this post asking for him or any other member of the board to add to this conversation. I have yet to receive a response. Anyone friends with Mr Dave Miller, who might be able to reach out to him in regards to this post?
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Post by Zagman on Feb 4, 2016 21:29:02 GMT -5
Ironically, IF we get CR's, it will be due to the down-state politicians getting forced by their constituents to help due to the loss of the wrong/right poodle to the right coyote at the right/wrong time.....
So, maybe, there's a chance it will be for areas above and beyond the northern zones........
MZ
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Post by wcs on Feb 8, 2016 21:34:52 GMT -5
Below is the response I received from our NYSTA president on the CR inquiry.
Dear Bill, I have heard comments from a couple of other trappers and checked the post on the forum quickly. It appears that the information came from the Sportsman's Alliance and is not accurate in the least. I have checked with Dave Miller and he said there has been no action taken on the bill in either house at this time. I am going to Albany on Tuesday and meeting Dave there. Hopefully I will have some accurate information that I can post on the forum when I get back. Thanks for contacting me. Ed Hogan
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Post by bobsamuelson on Feb 9, 2016 17:48:15 GMT -5
To those that are wondering about the Northern Zone only:
When Dave Miller found a legislator to introduce and sponsor ANY cable restraint bill, (I don't remember who that was) he would only do so in the NZ only! It also would have a 3 year "sunset" where it would be evaluated for any problems in this "less populated" area. After it has been evaluated after the 3 years, it would then have to be reintroduced , with new sponsors and new votes before it would allow the DEC to regulate CR's.
So, even though there may not be any problems with the initial 3 year trial, there is no guarantee that we would get them!
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Post by paintedpaw on Feb 9, 2016 19:31:14 GMT -5
How many years has it been since this legislation was first introduced? How do you convince downstate legislators that cable restraints are not choking snares? Are we beating a dead horse to death? An additional tool for trappers would be nice, but I just wonder if we should be directing our efforts elsewhere.
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Post by trappermac on Feb 10, 2016 5:51:31 GMT -5
I think anything that we can support to enhance the trappers arsenal goes a long ways to ensuring the future of trapping in NY. Why limit ourselves to always being on the defensive side of things, always fighting to keep what we have. Just sitting back waiting for the next bill that we disapprove of and then rallying the troops. If we take the approach that we'll never convince downstate politicians of anything then where does that leave us regarding anything relative to the future of trapping? We cannot let the recent incident with the two trappers and their unethical ways cloud our thinking, but I think it has from what I read here and elsewhere.
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Post by wcs on Feb 10, 2016 10:39:15 GMT -5
I have contacted my senator and 4 of the closest assembly members. They have all stated that they will support CR for the whole state. I see no need to limit this bill to the northern zone only.
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Post by wcs on Feb 16, 2016 12:09:39 GMT -5
Ttt. Was still waiting to hear what happened in Albany?
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Post by wcs on Mar 16, 2016 12:21:54 GMT -5
I wanted to let everyone know that my assemblyman is a young democrat who is going to co sponsor the bill by Magee. He had no idea about the lengthy battle we have been fighting to get cable restraints. He feels that if NJ and PA have them, there is no reason why NY should not. Everyone of us should call out assembly members and make them aware of the bill currently in committee. If enough assembly members but pressure on the committee to act, we may get a vote on this bill. NYSTA should do a mailing or email alert to get the word out. And while you guys are contacting your elected officials, let them know the law should include the whole state and not just the northern zone. I believe the senate is on board and will go along with whatever the assembly puts forward, but it won't hurt to let your Senators know that the bill should include the whole state as well.
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Post by stoneam2006 on Mar 16, 2016 16:10:52 GMT -5
I wanted to let everyone know that my assemblyman is a young democrat who is going to co sponsor the bill by Magee. He had no idea about the lengthy battle we have been fighting to get cable restraints. He feels that if NJ and PA have them, there is no reason why NY should not. Everyone of us should call out assembly members and make them aware of the bill currently in committee. If enough assembly members but pressure on the committee to act, we may get a vote on this bill. NYSTA should do a mailing or email alert to get the word out. And while you guys are contacting your elected officials, let them know the law should include the whole state and not just the northern zone. I believe the senate is on board and will go along with whatever the assembly puts forward, but it won't hurt to let your Senators know that the bill should include the whole state as well. While your at it tell him AR rifles and silencers are legal in PA so should help us with that fight too.... Sorry I know it's a trapping forum
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Post by francis 31220 on Mar 18, 2016 7:50:57 GMT -5
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Post by Zagman on Mar 22, 2016 8:19:59 GMT -5
All the new states that legalized CR's around us still have them and certainly don't seem to be threatened to be losing them.....
You cannot police everyone's actions and certainly should not legislate out of fear....
Do you guys think we should lose the use of 330's now since those individuals in the Finger Lakes did what they did?
We have grown so accustomed to LOSING other tools and freedoms that we don't even know how to respond to GAINING something useful.....
If trappers have no confidence in our teammates doing the right thing, how the heck can we expect John Q. Public to support us???
MZ
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Post by REDNECK on Mar 22, 2016 9:58:15 GMT -5
Welcome to 2016 time to lose every thing and any thing 10 years from now is going to be a sad world and well said zag
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Post by wcs on Mar 24, 2016 14:53:42 GMT -5
If anyone on here resides within Assemblyman Engelbrites district, I strongly recommend that you give him a call and persuade him to move the cable restraint bill along so the assembly can vote on it. Englebrite is the head of the environment committee and has a lot of power to stall or move along the bill. I know he lives on Long Island but I thought I would give it a shot. Family members can work also. We are close guys. Just a little work by everyone can make a huge difference. An email takes 5 minutes of the day. Thanks.
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Post by bluetickboy on Apr 15, 2016 18:21:18 GMT -5
Well, Peltseeker, I admit I didn't know the difference between a snare and a "cr". But you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to running hounds.
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Post by tomsnare on Apr 15, 2016 19:55:13 GMT -5
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