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Post by whartonrattrapper on Sept 16, 2015 10:38:50 GMT -5
The neighbor was doing some QDM in the bean field behind my house last night. I'll let you know if my position on this changes after I feast on the back straps tonight! lol
And since my boy's 17 now I'm going to take this single mothers kid from down the road out for the youth season. You know, brownie points, or maybe just brownie's.
Crossbows? I shot mine last week.
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Post by peltseeker on Sept 16, 2015 10:45:27 GMT -5
i support the youth hunts and as far as crossbows go if its an implement that will cleanly put down an animal in a safe manor then by all means who am i to say you cant or shouldnt use what you feel comfortable with its your freedom to choose and thats what i am arguing for "your freedom to choose " ...WE all have beliefs that differ, we all have life experiences that have molded us into who we are and we all have the freedom to choose whats best for us and our own situations .But when a group tries to influence or change by law my freedom to choose whats best for me thats where the line gets drawn in the sand ..."I wont be lied to i wont be talked against and i wont be laid a hand upon i do not do these things to other men and will not stand for it to be done to me "John Wayne !!!!
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Post by walleyed on Sept 16, 2015 11:21:52 GMT -5
Everyone should check out the resolutions the Council will be voting on shortly. These resolutions in my opinion are the worst ones they have ever come up with. On top of that, they once again are trying to take the authority away from the DEC to manage wildlife by trying to do it through the legislature. Herm, Getting back on Topic, Where can we find this List of Resolutions that the NYCC will be Debating and Voting On Shortly ? Is there a LINK or Website where Trappers can Look Them Over ? Thanks in Advance for any additional Information and for bringing it to Our Attention. w
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Post by flatiron on Sept 16, 2015 11:31:05 GMT -5
Time for some popcorn, this is going to be a good one. Yeah HERM and VON !!! See What YOOZE GUYZ Started !!! We Might as well Throw CROSSBOWS into the Mix Now, and The ANNUAL Successful YOUTH DEER HUNT, Along with Whether Or Not You Can Bed a Trap Solidly with Just PEAT MOSS !!!! w Lmao! I mentioned nothing about qdm either BUT if things continue (deer leases) our small game hunters ,trappers and dog men will have nowhere to enjoy the outdoors without a lease of their own. Leases should be registered with the State with proof of liability insurance.
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Post by peltseeker on Sept 16, 2015 11:46:23 GMT -5
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Post by trappermac on Sept 16, 2015 12:07:06 GMT -5
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Post by flatiron on Sept 16, 2015 12:28:56 GMT -5
Mac, I reckon it won't end until every available piece of land is leased and what's not the landowners will be fed up with the problems it incurs. Our State hunting areas will be on a Dailey draw or first come basis. The result ,fewer licenses will be sold ,younger hunters and trappers will become even fewer. Those who can afford a lease will be about the only sportsmen left. If you think it isn't possible ,take a gander at Texas . Largest State in the lower 48, very little in the way of public hunting or free permission granted.
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Post by richg072 on Sept 16, 2015 12:28:59 GMT -5
Answer me a question honestly. Take that same picture you talk about with the three deer. Now take their heads out of the equation all together (headless deer) . Now as a "meat hunter" which one would make sense and would you choose to shoot if all 3 were in the same field, to provide the most meat possible?
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Post by peltseeker on Sept 16, 2015 13:43:27 GMT -5
i would choose the one who presented the cleanest shot and thats all there is to it !!!!! and it may upset many of you but to be quite honest i try to harvest a fawn every year ... its the best table fair youll ever have and that fawn unless conditions are perfect wont survive past two years of age any ways and most does drop two to three fawns per year and i know the properties i hunt cant overwinter so many young .. its called nature and carrying capacity you should research that and fawn mortality might be an eye opener for you too as most fawns succumb to starvation than any other factor combined .that includes predation incidental poisoning car strikes and accidental means (i.e. farmers haybine or fence kill)and the list goes on .......
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Post by whartonrattrapper on Sept 16, 2015 13:48:45 GMT -5
Answer me a question honestly. Take that same picture you talk about with the three deer. Now take their heads out of the equation all together (headless deer) . Now as a "meat hunter" which one would make sense and would you choose to shoot if all 3 were in the same field, to provide the most meat possible?
Again it depends on who's doing the shooting. Some people would shoot the yearling (or a couple of them)for the tenderness of the meat. It's not about the size, or the most meat, it's about having the right to make your own choice. Not to let this small group of goons decide how the deer that belong to THE PEOPLE OF NY are managed!
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Post by walleyed on Sept 16, 2015 13:58:38 GMT -5
Answer me a question honestly. Take that same picture you talk about with the three deer. Now take their heads out of the equation all together (headless deer) . Now as a "meat hunter" which one would make sense and would you choose to shoot if all 3 were in the same field, to provide the most meat possible? I would Cut Down the Juicy Doe as I have NO MORE ROOM in my House For Trophy Antlered Shoulder mounts or European Skull Mounts cause they are laying around on the floor or propped up against the walls. But I got to CHOOSE which Deer to Take out of The Herd. The choice was not forced on me by Mandatory Antler Restrictions Lobbied For by The QDM Goons and Antler Worship Wackos. I vowed last opening day Of Northern Zone Muzzle-loader season to scratch down The very First Deer I saw. So happens it was a yearling Raghorn 4 point. He ate good and I got to choose to take him Or Not. I spent the rest of the season getting ready to trap and trapping. My Choice, not restricted By Trophy Antler Goons. w
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Post by walleyed on Sept 16, 2015 14:09:05 GMT -5
i would choose the one who presented the cleanest shot and thats all there is to it !!!!! and it may upset many of you but to be quite honest i try to harvest a fawn every year ... its the best table fair youll ever have and that fawn unless conditions are perfect wont survive past two years of age any ways OMG, Peltseeker !!! Hopefully The Deer Gods Interceded and shifted your aim away from the Buck Fawn, and Spared him. The QDM Goons and Trophy Antler Worshippers would have a STROKE or BRAIN ANEURYSM if you Whacked a Buck Fawn in The Prime of His Young Life and sure to grow into a Boone & Crockett Or Pope & Young Trophy. Pray Tell you selectively Harvest only The Nasty Doe Fawn !!! w
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 14:23:09 GMT -5
At least twice in the last 10 years I've walked up on other hunters who shot a fawn or a small buck, you could see the look on their face when they saw some one was coming over to see what they shot. There face changed 100% when I extended my congrats on their harvest and offered to help them drag THEIR TROPHY out of the woods.
That's what deer hunting should be about.
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Post by walleyed on Sept 16, 2015 14:50:19 GMT -5
Lmao! I mentioned nothing about qdm either BUT if things continue (deer leases) our small game hunters ,trappers and dog men will have nowhere to enjoy the outdoors without a lease of their own. Leases should be registered with the State with proof of liability insurance. New York State Should take a Que From The Canadian Prairie Province Of Alberta. In Alberta, It is Unlawful to Lease Hunting Rights from Landowners for the Purposes of Hunting, by Private or Commercial Interests. It is unlawful for Landowners to Offer for sale, Hunting Rights for private or Commercial Interests. Landowners (Farmers) would Scream Bloody Murder, but It would solve the problem of potential DMP Deer Being Unharvestable/Unmanageable, and would then offer REAL incentive to Farmers to allow public hunting again instead of The Unlimited DMAPS Merry-Go-Round Farmers have available now. w
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Post by flatiron on Sept 17, 2015 6:06:49 GMT -5
I really have had a good laugh on this one. Some serious proposals and once again it turns into ------- a deer hunting thread! I can't understand why we (other sportsmen ) have to put up with the lamest group in the State , 800 or less paid members and continually shrinking. They ( NYCC ) continues to glean the coffers of other sportsmens groups to finance their cause.
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Post by peltseeker on Sept 17, 2015 7:14:51 GMT -5
Answer me a question honestly. Take that same picture you talk about with the three deer. Now take their heads out of the equation all together (headless deer) . Now as a "meat hunter" which one would make sense and would you choose to shoot if all 3 were in the same field, to provide the most meat possible? i have a good friend who buys his license every year and has for almost fifty years.He hunts in the adirondacks and more often than not he goes an entire season with only seeing a couple of deer and not having the opportunity to harvest one because of various reasons many of his tags lie in a drawer unfilled .Now dont get me wrong he is a great hunter and his woodsmanship is paralleled by few but there just arent the herds of deer that we have in the southern zone . When the deer gods do smile upon him it is a very joyous occasion for him and his wife and they both text me pictures before the deer is even out of the woods . Last year he got a beautiful fork horn buck on the very last day of the late muzzle loader season and it was the only buck he had seen since the september bow opener. Now do the math and just figure how many hours it took for him to get that deer!!!! there arent any antlerless permits available where he is able to hunt and it is a very rare occasion that his schedule allows him time to hunt with me down here in the southern zone.So if the QDM's have their way and antler restrictions are passed state wide you should feel good that my friend will no longer be able to harvest his forkhorn and will hang up his rifle never to return to the woods that he has enjoyed all of his life .... yeah thats what deer hunting should be about .... .
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Post by flatiron on Sept 17, 2015 10:20:20 GMT -5
I really have had a good laugh on this one. Some serious proposals and once again it turns into ------- a deer hunting thread! I can't understand why we (other sportsmen ) have to put up with the lamest group in the State , 800 or less paid members and continually shrinking. They ( NYCC ) continues to glean the coffers of other sportsmens groups to finance their cause. Yep ,right back to hunting dear . You guys know there is a big game page on here ?
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Post by herm on Sept 17, 2015 18:39:45 GMT -5
Yes, have to agree with Von. Reading this thread one would think we trappers are made up from about the same core as the council members. Read these resolutions they are proposing again. See where it says pursue legislation. That means they know they can not get their way by dealing with the DEC, so they want the legislators to do it. With half of the people in or state living in the NYC area do we want to take the authority to manage wildlife away from the DEC and give it to the legislators?
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Post by REDNECK on Sept 17, 2015 19:10:28 GMT -5
AMEN
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Post by bobsamuelson on Sept 17, 2015 19:47:39 GMT -5
The farm behind my house consists of over 800 acres with an additional 200 across the road. It was leased out to a QDM based hunting club for 10 + years. They are now gone. Good riddance !the farmers brother has put together a group to hunt it with new rules. First rule, fill your antler less tags before taking a buck! With the QDM group the heard doubled in size, causing a great deal of damage for the farmer! It is not uncommon to look out my kitchen window and see 40+ deer in the hay lots! I could not trap this farm, which I had trapped for 20 years as "you will scare the deer!" Now that they are gone, I can trap it again! I will also be donating my antler less tags to this new group to help manage the heard. From my observations, in my own backyard, QDM doesn't work, it is only a theory that because of lack of geographic restrictions!
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Post by REDNECK on Sept 17, 2015 20:09:35 GMT -5
Good stuff bob i like that idea thats cool you got it back after that many years
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Post by Dave Morse on Sept 18, 2015 5:26:07 GMT -5
Just like asprin,take two if they are small. Never found a horn I could eat yet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 6:46:29 GMT -5
Yes, have to agree with Von. Reading this thread one would think we trappers are made up from about the same core as the council members. Read these resolutions they are proposing again. See where it says pursue legislation. That means they know they can not get their way by dealing with the DEC, so they want the legislators to do it. With half of the people in or state living in the NYC area do we want to take the authority to manage wildlife away from the DEC and give it to the legislators? Sounds like a political battle to me. Question for you, what orgs. support the NYSCC? What's their interest?
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Post by Zagman on Sept 18, 2015 13:48:52 GMT -5
Our deer gun season is TOO long......(ask most deer hunters, they agree)
Then, you throw leasing and/or QDM on top of it......
Good grief!
You want to solve everyone's problems, including this trapper's?
Start deer gun AFTER Thanksgiving and after the rut.....lots of big bucks running around for the guys who want them and plenty of smaller racks too for those who don't care...
Season length: Two weeks, including three weekends.
Each guy gets five tags.....four does and one buck.
Meat hunters...happy. Big buck hunters, happy (most of them are probably bow hunters and have their targets lined up early)
Deer managers: happy
NYS Trappers: Not thrilled, but better than two months of gun season!
MZ
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Post by papabear on Sept 18, 2015 20:47:46 GMT -5
Dear Friends,......QDM.....when you can cut your venison with your fork and it nearly melts in your mouth............Now that's QDM.....Quality Deer Meat! Regards
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