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Post by herm on Sept 14, 2015 19:40:54 GMT -5
Everyone should check out the resolutions the Council will be voting on shortly. These resolutions in my opinion are the worst ones they have ever come up with. On top of that, they once again are trying to take the authority away from the DEC to manage wildlife by trying to do it through the legislature.
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Post by flatiron on Sept 14, 2015 20:17:41 GMT -5
And I'll bet it's ALL about deer and coyotes without reading. Sorry to say this but on the whole, that group seems to be the biggest group of knottheads going.
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Post by peltseeker on Sept 15, 2015 9:26:03 GMT -5
i read the resolutions and didn't find anything too tragic in the wording and as far as the conservation council goes would you rather there was no organised body to appeal to the legislature on behalf of sportsmen and just let the secret agendas of DEC go untested ? i think not !!!! if you did you wouldnt belong to NYSTA ...... i actually agree with the spring bear resolution . I think black bears in the southern zone are more inclined to do damage and harm in the spring when they are hungry from that long winters nap . The coyote resolution i don't agree with at all .... I know way too many coyote hunters that just shoot to waste and i feel that is the biggest waste of all ... No animal should just be shot for the sake of shooting it .... it should be harvested for purpose weather it be for fur or meat or both not just left to rot in some field so some idiot can slap some other idiot on the back and laugh about their conquest .... they are not hunters or sportsmen ....and yes coyotes do eat fawns and turkeys and hundreds of other things in their quest for food as do many other predators.i have seen turkey nests decimated by coons possums and skunks and even brown rats and there are many documented accounts of fisher and black bear killing fawns as well .. lmao these same so called horn hunters and QDM idiots that want the coyote wasted to protect fawns are the same unscrupulous morons who shoot does by the dozens to grow their mythical herds of horns .....!!!!!!!
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Post by austinp on Sept 15, 2015 9:34:14 GMT -5
lmao these same so called horn hunters and QDM idiots that want the coyote wasted to protect fawns are the same unscrupulous morons who shoot does by the dozens to grow their mythical herds of horns .....!!!!!!! [Ol' Zeke] "hey Clem, you're at the bar early... didjya getcher buck yet?" [Clem] "yep, shore 'nough did, 'bout two hours past daylight. All I saw before that was herds of doe, lost count how many came by. This little 3-point here is the only buck I saw the whole time." [Ol' Zeke] "that one will eat good" [Clem] "yup... hard to find bucks around here any more... too many yahoos shooting does, I reckon" there's your common definition of moronic speak
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Post by peltseeker on Sept 15, 2015 10:06:13 GMT -5
i was talking about QDM dorks who shoot does because they are in the herd and left to rot ... don't try to say it dosn't happen because it does and i have seen it .. then to say well coyotes are killing too many fawns when in all actuality they arent worried about fawns in whole they are worried about buck fawns because that may be the one fawn who survived to become the prize on their wall... to hang a shirt or tie off of the antlers and see how much dust it can collect on the eye lashes !!!!!! hey you own a big piece of property and want to grow big mythical deer with huge racks and wipe out anything and everything else thats fine but stop trying to change the environment and how the ecosystem works just to suit your fetish of having the biggest set in town ..
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Post by walleyed on Sept 15, 2015 12:44:32 GMT -5
QDM Goons are perhaps the BIGGEST group of Hypocritical, Disingenuous, Unscrupulous, and Deceitful Morons to ever Set Foot in The Deer Woods of Upstate New York.
More Ground has been lost for hunting and trapping purposes through the Cancerous spread of QDM and Trophy Antler Worship than any Anti-Hunting Group could ever accomplish in a 100 Years.
NYCC is the Proverbial Loose Cannon when it comes to Representing Sportsmen Related Issues.
Just remember how much they helped us with the Draft Fisher Management Plan.
With Friends Like the NYCC Representing Us trappers, We certainly don't need any enemies.
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Post by flatiron on Sept 15, 2015 13:13:44 GMT -5
Most of the CC are there for personal agendas ,deer hunting in particular, on the overall they care little about other sportsmen in the state . Small game hunters ,trappers ,and dogmen are low on the list of priorities.Could we do without this group ? Most definitely.
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Post by slyfox74 on Sept 15, 2015 17:52:27 GMT -5
QDM Goons are perhaps the BIGGEST group of Hypocritical, Disingenuous, Unscrupulous, and Deceitful Morons to ever Set Foot in The Deer Woods of Upstate New York. More Ground has been lost for hunting and trapping purposes through Cancerous spread of QDM and Trophy Antler Worship than any Anti Hunting Group could ever accomplish in a 100 Years. NYCC is the Proverbial Loose Cannon when it comes to Representing Sportsmen Related Issues. Just remember how much they helped us with the Draft Fisher Management Plan. With Friends Like the NYCC Representing Us trappers, We certainly don't need any enemies. w Easily the best statement of the summer right here. I've said the same thing since all that QDM nonsense started.
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Sept 15, 2015 18:02:59 GMT -5
QDM = I'M A DORK FOLLOWER....these guys hunt 3 times a year....once to go in 1 or 2 days before the season to check their stand...have no clue...just what they see on Outdoor Network...Move to Iowa & leave the real NY outdoorsman alone...most of us do our duty & tag out every year...QDM city boys are getting kicked out of a lot of farms up here because of their attitude...us locals have to move in & kill some deer...go Back to Syracuse & Rochester...take your vacations to big buck land & maybe you'll get on TV
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Post by austinp on Sept 15, 2015 19:03:23 GMT -5
well, I'm a lifelong trapper and a lifelong deer hunter. And a landowner. I try to fill all of my antlerless tags with adult does, try to fill my antlered tags with adult bucks, try to trap furbearers when prime. That is how I feel the BMPs are and that's how I conduct myself afield accordingly. To each their own. I say.
I have deer hunter friends who are QDM advocates that are men of highest esteem possible, and I know of trappers who are total p.o.s. slobs in every sense that should have their licenses pulled for life.
I'm also not judgmental of either group entirely due to backwoods, midget-minded prejudice. But to each their own, I guess.
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Post by REDNECK on Sept 15, 2015 20:10:58 GMT -5
What you mean by go to rochester ... I kill my share of deer there im not crying but you got one thing right city hunters come out thinking there going to just walk in the woods and fill there tags in one day not saying it cant be done lol but qdm is a joke sorry but they are
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Sept 15, 2015 20:25:43 GMT -5
all I'm saying is....you buy a license, shoot whatever the hell you want & you shouldn't get crap from the elitists....end of argument
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Post by peltseeker on Sept 15, 2015 20:29:27 GMT -5
AMEN fingerlakesfur AMEN !!!!!!!!!
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Post by REDNECK on Sept 15, 2015 20:56:52 GMT -5
I am with ya not against ya on it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 7:42:12 GMT -5
Time for some popcorn, this is going to be a good one.
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Post by richg072 on Sept 16, 2015 8:39:16 GMT -5
This is great way for trappers to gain the needed members to fight antis ?. Let's bash fellow sportsman based on false information or based on a bad experience with a grp of guys saying they are qdm yet they have no idea what qdm is and are act trophy hunters. If you believe qdm is about shooting trophy bucks I suggest doing more research.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 8:47:02 GMT -5
Yes, QDM is more about posting up land, shamming young hunters into not harvesting antlered bucks, money and ego. Worst thing to hit the outdoor seen ever.
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Post by richg072 on Sept 16, 2015 9:06:50 GMT -5
Last I check it's not about any of those. First off qdm really can't be practiced by a common landowner, it's just a source of information on land management where you take pieces. Almost like watching trapping DVDs or demos. You take what works for you ,not just coppicing 100% that way. I guess managing land to carry more wildlife including prey animals= more predators is worst thing ever! lol. Wasn't there a post a couple months ago how the fisher are being pushed out of the Adirondacks due to forever Wild land? I guess it would've worst thing ever if dec did some selective logging.
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Post by peltseeker on Sept 16, 2015 9:16:01 GMT -5
QDM is trying to grow the biggest set of horns in the land nothing more nothing less !!!!! some guy saw a TV show about hunting that was made on a 5000 acre fenced property in texas where its legal to treat game as owners property . its legal to feed its legal to supply water and minerals and cull animals from the herd to grow that big deer. Also south western states have the growing conditions for those deer, mineral and browse make up, mild winters and genetics all play a part . We do not have the genetics nor the minerals nor the acreages to grow consistant 150 class deer much less those fabled 190-200s you see on tv ...not gonna happen in your lifetime or your childrens or grandchildrens lifetime .... wanna see something amazing go back to old photos of deer hunters and look at the racks do you see any of those class bucks you see in your dreams ? NO you dont !!!! deer genetics are different for every part of the country and are influenced by food water buck to doe ratio predator ratio and so on and so on all the way down to available space to roam .... look at all the research and data out there and stop watching big buck TV ..... ask your neighbors to the east in VT and see how well their program has gone in the 10+ years its been in exsistance ... if you think QDM is such a great idea do your research and if you think its still a great idea go buy a big piece of property get the required permits throw up your fences and grow your deer but dammit leave my choice to choose what i want to harvest to me .......
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Post by peltseeker on Sept 16, 2015 9:23:18 GMT -5
lmao and if you think its not about the antlers mabey you ought to look at the dam signs you QDM'ers use !!!!!! from the billboards to the property markers lmao not about the antlers my @ss !!!!!!!!
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Post by richg072 on Sept 16, 2015 9:34:25 GMT -5
Your right about the 5000 acre idea, and like mentioned above no one in NY really should be practicing true QDM. QDM realized that most guys following them are small landowners and the big Lee and Tiffany farms are unrealistic. Anyone trying to accomplish that here in NY is not following the information out there. QDM geared down a bunch and basically is a source of information(based on research,not rumor) and say take what info works for you and do what you can. They also have youth hunting programs and support trapping. Either way you don't like it, that doesn't bother me, my point was that Trapping is being hit hard across the country by the antis and for a very small group of men/women to bash anyone is not helping their cause. I'm new to trapping and managing my property has brought me into trapping. I joined the association because I saw the need for support and to get accurate information about trapping out there as most info is grossly false.
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Post by richg072 on Sept 16, 2015 9:36:10 GMT -5
Pelt, Down with NYSDOT! They are all trophy hunters, marking the roads with big buck signs. lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 10:13:18 GMT -5
Your right, I'm all wrong, we should let QDM manage the NY deer herds. That would workout real well. Sorry.
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Post by peltseeker on Sept 16, 2015 10:13:56 GMT -5
hmmmmm here in town there is a bill board put up by a local QDM group and on that billboard there are three deer a spike a six and an eight pointer and the caption reads something to the effect of (( what would you rather shoot? support QDM)) .So this sign has been around for awhile and i have seen it many other places and hell they even had one in the NYS products building at the county fair here .MIND you not in the sportsmans display but the NYS products building .... i have no money for bill boards or newspaper magazine ads all i have is places like this to express my opinions so i will ... hunting for me is a tradition instilled in me from my father and my great grandfather who i had the pleasure of many an outing with when i was younger . He didnt hunt or shoot something because it was the biggest or had a huge rack .he harvested his game because it presented a clean shot and would put meat on the table nothing more nothing less.they both taught me to respect the animals i harvested with good clean shots proper field dressing and butchering and waste nothing .Every animal was a trophy and weather it was a baldy a spike or an eight pointer they all got the same treatment and respect and even their picture taken .My love of all things outdoors comes from them and for that i am forever greatful.My great grandfather is gone now and my father is in his 70's and i have passed on all they taught me to my three boys .But i fear the days of being able to hunt and feed their familys with their harvest are coming to an end because of the QDM program directly ... places we hunted freely up till a few years ago are now posted and off limits ... private leases by QDM groups claimed these lands as their own and through solicitation of other property owners the group has closed off what was once available to anyone ....and all in the name of a set of horns .....
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Post by walleyed on Sept 16, 2015 10:14:08 GMT -5
Time for some popcorn, this is going to be a good one. Yeah HERM and VON !!! See What YOOZE GUYZ Started !!! We Might as well Throw CROSSBOWS into the Mix Now, and The ANNUAL Successful YOUTH DEER HUNT, Along with Whether Or Not You Can Bed a Trap Solidly with Just PEAT MOSS !!!! w
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