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Post by herm on Feb 22, 2015 7:48:02 GMT -5
Each year that goes by in recent years the DEC is guickly loosing their ability to manage wildlife in Western NY also. The deer hunters, make that the tree stand deer hunters, are locking up more and more land keeping the small game hunters and the trappers out of more and more areas.
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Post by johnrockwood on Feb 22, 2015 7:58:09 GMT -5
Good Morning Folks.
The NYSTA JTI Committee is working on our official NYSTA response to this plan. We will present some bullet points, on this forum, for you to consider incorporating into your personal responses. Those points will be posted here as soon as we approach our final draft of our official response. This may take a week or more yet, but that will still provide you with plenty of time to utilize these points in formulating your own responses. I sincerely think that we can make a difference IF we can get enough trappers to respond.
I would remind you all that a courteous response, to the point, with credible supportive reasoning for your position is the best way to draft your response.
If your comments have already been sent, but you later have thoughts that you wish you had included earlier, it is ok to send in more than one response.
More to come later........
Thank you!!!
John
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Post by papabear on Feb 22, 2015 9:07:59 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Graydog, Over its history, exceptions and amendments have been made to the "Forever Wild" law. I would think a clause or amendment that includes language to insure, enhance, and maintain habitat vital to the survival of healthy populations of native wildlife would be a no brainer. DEC, being the environmental experts, should be all over this, NO EXCUSES!
Lack of environmental habitat assessments and management plans and objectives, updated population studies, are just a few essential elements not included in the Proposed Fisher Management Plan therefore the draft is not complete. With the depth and size of the Furbearer and Small Game Mammal Management Team, and collaboration with Cornell University Fish and Wildlife Research unit, there should be NO EXCUSES why this draft is not thourough and complete!.........Try going to your place of employment and do a half assed job, chances are you wont be employed there long.....Also, why is it that when we want something from DEC we have to be ultra thourough, i's dotted, t's crossed, made to jump through hoops but yet they can come off with a half assed report and beat us over the head with it. We should not have to hope they do a good job, we should expect it!
Regards
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Post by kirkwooder on Feb 22, 2015 9:32:03 GMT -5
Not trying to be a "Negative Neal" here John, but with only 30 days with witch to comment, a couple of which have already passed, I would hope that NYSTA would be able to have a response drafted in less than 25% to 33% of the comment time period. If there is any way possible to get this response posted sooner I would think that would be highly beneficial to us as a group. Truly, there is not that much to comment on in their 50 pages of nonsense, and a well worded response should not be all that difficult to draft. The sooner we can get this done the better, the more time each of us can have to review and digest the information the better. The better each of us can word our own response.
I believe that the release of this proposal was purposefully timed with the closing of trapping seasons in the better part of the state, in order to limit the number of comments coming in from real trappers. Even the traffic on this forum has greatly declined in the last few weeks, and I believe that the powers that be at the DEC were counting on the fact that most trappers would not be as involved or as informed as they would be in the middle of the season. Most of us have sold all our fur, and have moved on to other interests. The volume of responses from trappers is likely to be far less than it would have been if the study had been released 2-3 months ago like was promised, when trappers are constantly getting together for fur sales and other get trapping related events.
Finally, my thoughts as to the plan are about the same as most others, I have no problem with a short season, as long as it starts after the fur has primed, and bag limits as low as a single critter are the same as not having a season at all! To manage any fur bearer as a trophy and not a source of salable fur is absurd! How would a trophy mount look missing the lower jaw and teeth that would be required to be turned in to the DEC for research? Also, why were bow hunters asked to be the information gathering group for a fisher management study? The DEC has to realize that they are among the most self serving group of outdoors men that there is. Most don't care much about anything other than bow hunting and a good number wouldn't even know what a fisher was if they saw one, and certainly couldn't be relied on to tell the difference between a fisher and a mink at any distance. I would bet that most would not be able to identify a fisher track if their life depended upon it, yet the plan mentions that they were a source of much of the sighting information used in the study. How about these trapper surveys? I can't remember ever receiving one, ever, in 30 years of trapping. I may have just forgotten them, but I think that I would have remembered it if I had gotten one after every season.
It is truly disturbing that this is the best that they could come up with in the years that they have been working on it, and I wonder exactly how much of our hard earned tax dollars were spent on this plan? I would bet that if a high school student had turned in this report for a science project, they would have received a C for a grade at best.
My comments will not only be sent to the DEC, but my state representatives as well. I would suggest that everyone else do the same. It is time for them to throw a little grease at the squeaky wheel, so start squeaking, LOUDLY!
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Post by k9goodtimes on Feb 22, 2015 10:14:56 GMT -5
Along with what Mr. Wooder has said, the sooner comments can be drafted and posted to other areas, such as online newspaper articles about the topic, the better the public will be informed before they lose interest. I've seen 4 articles posted in Syracuse and Rochester online newspapers and wanted to comment as an informative for those reading but chose not to attempt to voice my opinions until I saw NYSTA and JTI thoughts.
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Post by paintedpaw on Feb 22, 2015 10:20:03 GMT -5
As a member of the JTI Committee and an Adirondack Fisher Trapper please let me comment. I believe that we must comment and shoot down this plan.NYSTA disapproves of the plan. We can not just bury our heads in the sand and say "It's Over". We must fight! As for the Adirondacks it is our belief that DEC should DO NOTHING until they have conducted the proper research and science to justify what ever action they may take.We believe all of the management and any changes should be based upon sound science. That has not yet been done in the Adirondacks.I wonder if DEC is goingto use their term "suitable Habitat" as an excuse in the Adirondacks. We also believe that we have repeatedly been ignored in the setting of reasonable season dates.DEC points to the Cornell/ DEC survey as the basis for their actions. That survey was corrupt, with carefully worded questions to trap trappers into giving the responses they wanted.Period!!! Look at the newly opened western and central WMU's. Setting a season in October is not only giving the finger to trappers, but completely kills harvesting a prime pelt, instead opting in creating a "trophy".DEC repeatedly has ignored pleas of northern zone trappers to set a later season. There has been no regard for harvesting a valuable resource when it's at it's best. DEC continues on this misguided idea of "opportunity", even though that opportunity exists no matter what the season dates. There are so many things wrong with the plan that we can not accept it. Trappers, wheter they will ever trap for fisher or not need to stand up and reject the plan. There are long range implications, such as quotas, and "Suitable Habitat" that will affect all of us in the future. How would you like DEC to set a quota of 5 muskrats because of a perceived decline. Can't happen? Think again. Conservation means wise use of our renewable natural resources. This plan does far from that!
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Post by johnrockwood on Feb 22, 2015 11:02:11 GMT -5
Please do not take one single thing I'm about to say as anything but constructive, straight forward information that will hopefully help all understand how intensely important this situation is to NY's trappers. Nothing said is intended to be derogatory to anyone and nothing is to be misconstrued as excuses.
First off, I can readily see that most of you here on this forum are in alignment with the NYSTA position and I applaud that. However, we have to get the word out beyond this board and beyond the NYSTA membership. We need the support of ALL of NY's trappers to help change the unacceptable parts of this plan.
Now:
NO ONE knows more about how imperative it is to disseminate quality, accurate, truthful information to NY's trappers than the NYSTA Officers and the JTI Committee. Although we were privy to some points of the plan earlier, that information was, for all purposes, hearsay until this draft was published by the Department. We had to wait to see the entire draft in print before we could develop a precise, intelligent response.
NO ONE has been working harder with the DEC to develop an acceptable plan than the NYSTA JTI Committee; only to have our input and suggestions generally ignored.
NO ONE, except the JTI Committee members themselves, have any idea how many countless hours have been devoted to this plan, already, by those JTI Committee members who have unselfishly, and completely at their own personal expense, attended many joint meetings with the DEC FMT. We have generated literally hundreds of emails amongst ourselves, dozens of phone calls, hours of face to face conversation, etc.
PLEASE remember, we are all VOLUNTEERS with commitments other than just NYSTA. Most of us have jobs, families, and other duties that we have to juggle along with working tirelessly for the trappers of NY. We are not paid for our time nor are we reimbursed for the real expenses we incur. We do this because we believe it is extremely important to the future of trapping in NY.
If anyone thinks that a response to this plan that will have any chance to affect it's outcome is easy, then you best read that plan again and understand the Department's commitment to this plan. It is not for lack of any reasoning that it is 50 pages long! After several years of meetings with the FMT our thoughts, ideas, concerns, and beliefs have been seemingly and largely ignored. This plan is what the Department seems bent on implementing, regardless of our objections to many parts of it. A proper defense of our objections to each part of this plan, that needs to be so addressed, is imperative if we are to gain any ground. It is also extremely important that written word express the exact meaning it was meant to convey. We have to defend our position, not just state it, and we have to defend it with supportive, credible evidence. To draft a proper document to that effect takes more than a day or two. The Department has been working on this draft plan for several years, now we have 30 days to comment on it.
PLEASE have a bit of patience as we work diligently to prepare our official response. UNDERSTAND that the emails are streaming steadily between us, phone calls are non-stop all day and into the night. My cell phone has been on the charger, while glued to my ear, since 3:00 pm on Thursday when I was made aware of the publication of this plan. Even typing this post has been interrupted multiple times by phone calls from concerned trappers and I'm sure there are several more emails in my mailbox to address/answer by now. If everything proceeds as planned, our official response should be available in 7-10 days, allowing plenty of time for others to utilize the information therein to help formulate their own responses.
Thank you!
John Rockwood, President New York State Trappers Association Phone: 315-415-4946 Email: loggerjohnr@aol.com
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Post by traps82 on Feb 22, 2015 11:13:13 GMT -5
"DEC, being the environmental experts, should be all over this, NO EXCUSES!"
No, they are bureaucratic experts answering to Albany and downstate environmental wackos who view ANY consumptive use of the outdoors as evil and vile. They want to see picture perfect scenes of the Dacks in magazines and vacation in the "wilds" of Lake George. Logging or any other use of the outdoors is the raping of mother nature to them. Their money talks and the DEC does there bidding
Another question: Why does anybody fill out those damned surveys? Every time I have gotten one it went in the trash or used to start a fire. Call me paranoid, I don't care, but anybody outside of another trapper asking me about what I have trapped, how many, locations, methods etc- Gets nothing
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Post by jsevering on Feb 22, 2015 12:43:42 GMT -5
the more you read that thing, the more it becomes a multiple choice type deal, almost like the cornell survey they put out.
not very clear on exactly what they want or how to do it, seems up north one proposed plan is a combined marten and fisher plan... with trappers taking the hit with a combined limiting out number in one suggested fisher plan...with no number given, im guessing six marten and your done trapping, no matter the proposed limit on fisher or visa verse.. what numbers? or are they just to be released at a later date, when its to late to have any say or to be heard?
the new open zones.. 9 days, one fisher more ore less... would pretty much be... one trap set and eight check days... unless you take the chance of exceeding your limit, thus breaking the law or becoming a dec poster child..
was trying to rough draft my reply, but after reading that thing a few times, know im going to miss more than a few pertinent points, that more than likely need to be voiced clearly ... figure the jti and nysta bullet points are going to be pretty important to review and hit on this one, with all the little side steps, in that multiple choice type proposed plan presented, which could lead anywhere... what exactly is the plan? ... other than mortality can be controlled by limiting trapper opportunity and access to fishers, in an already stable and expanding fisher population...jim
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Post by paintedpaw on Feb 22, 2015 12:49:11 GMT -5
The more I get into this the angrier I get, particularly in the Adirondack portion of the plan. What a bunch of goobly gook! They claim that this so called decline has been happening over the past 5 to 10 years. Why are they only now addressing the problem? As managers of the resource where have they been? Instead of patting themselves on the back for the expansion into western New York which happened, through no action of theirs,they should be hanging their heads in shame for what they have neglected in the Adirondacks. I'm mad! I'm d@mn mad. They requested that we not comment until the plan was released for comment.We honored that.They told us the plan would be out by October.I checked the State Register since then watching for the plan. Finally the plan came out last thursday, not in the register, but on a complicated DEC website.Oh, and guess what, no 45 day comment, only 30 days. There has been a lot of under the table stuff going on and I for one am sick of it. We have dealt with DEC in good faith only to be slapped in the face.Is this how government works? Have we been too naieve? In our meetings with the fur team we were continually rebuffed. I certainly walked away with the feeling that they were not willing to listen.A couple of them claim to be trappers, but from my perspective they have no clue of the trapper's viewpoint. Sure they have educated textbook theorys, such as TPUE, but they simply lack in practicality. These are men that I respected and called friend. What the Hell has happened? Maine and New Hampshire run their fisher seasons during December, when they are at their best, but no, New York has to start in October. We are not talking here about coons or coyotes; we are talking about fisher; once considered the top of the lot. I'm an old fart, but I can remember when everything revolved around fisher in the Adirondacks. That population was to be protected at all costs. Long gone are the days of Gary Parsons, Mark Brown, and Gary Will. It is my belief that Mr.Papa Bear is absolutely correct. It is also my opinion that before DEC does anything with fisher in the Adirondacks they must run their studies first,trail cameras, hair samples, track boards,DNA testing, etc. and that it must be done not only along the roads, but locations as well. As Mr.Papa Bear pointed out, exceptions to the Forest Preserve have been made in the past, construction of the Gore Mountain ski center and construction of the Adirondack Northway come to mind. Do you mean to tell me that a provision could not be made to allow proper forest management and proper wildlife management? Does the environmental whackos have such a strangle hold on the politicians? New York trappers are amongst the most over regulated in the country.If I drive a couple of nails into a state tree to hang my conibear I can be arrested, yet go into any state campground if you want to see nails. If I suspend a fisher I can be arrested, even though suspension in a conibear is the most humane manner.Speaking of humane, how about the trigger requirements for beaver? Set the reg to protect one species at the expense of humane tratment of another. Do you call that smart management. Appeasement is a much better word.
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Post by saquelie on Feb 22, 2015 13:26:31 GMT -5
"DEC, being the environmental experts, should be all over this, NO EXCUSES!" No, they are bureaucratic experts answering to Albany and downstate environmental wackos who view ANY consumptive use of the outdoors as evil and vile. They want to see picture perfect scenes of the Dacks in magazines and vacation in the "wilds" of Lake George. Logging or any other use of the outdoors is the raping of mother nature to them. Their money talks and the DEC does there bidding Another question: Why does anybody fill out those damned surveys? Every time I have gotten one it went in the trash or used to start a fire. Call me paranoid, I don't care, but anybody outside of another trapper asking me about what I have trapped, how many, locations, methods etc- Gets nothing It would of been nice to have gotten a survey seeing I have purchased a trappers license for 34 years and had an opportunity to fill one out or toss.
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Post by kirkwooder on Feb 22, 2015 13:43:22 GMT -5
I would suggest that anyone who is interested in submitting a response to this plan, put together their response and submit it to the DEC before your time and interest wains away. Further comments can then be sent once the NYSTA releases their official response. Do Not let yourselves lose interest in this issue! We need every trapper possible to respond to this.
Please include a few things that you disagree with in this plan and why you disagree with them. I, like I said before, will be sending my thoughts and a copy of my comments to my state representatives, including the governor's office. I will certainly be including my disappointment with the value for tax dollar spent, that the people of NYS have received in the formulation of this plan.
Let's also be sure that everyone we know who might have an interest in this issue be well informed. Let them know how you feel and where they can send their comments!
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Post by traps82 on Feb 22, 2015 14:52:24 GMT -5
"If I drive a couple of nails into a state tree to hang my conibear I can be arrested, yet go into any state campground if you want to see nails." And just how do THEY post the "STATE FOREST" signs along the boundaries?
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Post by squash on Feb 22, 2015 15:03:00 GMT -5
"If I drive a couple of nails into a state tree to hang my conibear I can be arrested, yet go into any state campground if you want to see nails." And just how do THEY post the "STATE FOREST" signs along the boundaries? With aluminum nails, but there still nails.
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Post by traps82 on Feb 22, 2015 15:05:43 GMT -5
Exactly- And I have seen plenty of dead trees fallen over with "NY STATE FOREST" signs on them...
Oh and just wait for this: Charging and a lottery for fisher, otter, bobcat tags... It's coming.
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Post by traps82 on Feb 22, 2015 15:06:18 GMT -5
"If I drive a couple of nails into a state tree to hang my conibear I can be arrested, yet go into any state campground if you want to see nails." And just how do THEY post the "STATE FOREST" signs along the boundaries? Noninvasive, rubber coated bark huggers...didnt you notice them on all 600 camera trap set ups.....LOL
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Post by squash on Feb 22, 2015 15:13:29 GMT -5
There have been many comments here about doing some kind of forest management on Forest preserve land,(forever wild), I think It's a waste of time for anyone here that is thinking of asking for some kind of forest management plan for Forest Preserve lands in your comments, just a reminder that it would take an amendment to the state constitution for that to happen. Your Time and efforts would be better served on other aspects to derail this ill conceived plan.
Also, remember that there is a difference between State Forest and Forest Preserve,(forever wild).
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Post by erict on Feb 22, 2015 16:10:23 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but the way I read it they take into account climate change made no mention of a trend in the number of trappers, the effects of ecomonic booms or busts in China or Russia, and, most surprising, no consideration of a seasonal quota system like they do (did) for wolves out west, where each day the takes are reported and at some point when the magic number is reached the season is closed. In any event, I'll be sending my comments soon.
Back in December I looked up the various fisher seasons and this should be generally correct:
Maine - November 2-December 31............ (Nov. 15 - December 15 in parts of the state. Season limit of 10. Marten, bobcat, fox, etc. overlap seasons.) New Hampshire - December 1-31.............. (Season limit of 10. No marten, bobcat seasons) Rhode Island - December 1-24................. (Season limit 4. No marten season.) Massachusetts - November 1-22.............. (Box or cage traps only. No marten. Bobcat season is November 1-30) Connecticut - November 20-December 31...(Season limit 4) Vermont - December 1-31......................... (No marten season - incidental takes must be turned over to F&G)
New York - October 24-December 10........ (Marten season same. Season limit 6 marten.)
Pennsylvania - December 21-25............... (Season limit 1. Bobcat Dec 20-Jan 11. No marten season.) Michigan - December 1-15...................... (Season limit 1 fisher or 1 marten.) Wisconsin - October 31-December 31....... (Permit only, season limit 1) Minnesota - November 29-December 4...... (Season limit 2. Marten season same and same 2 season limit.)
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Post by paintedpaw on Feb 22, 2015 17:15:59 GMT -5
Mr.Squash is correct. There is no sense in even arguing about changing rules within the Forest Preserve. It just is not going to happen. Our efforts and comments should be elsewhere. I would suggest that trappers read the draft several times. The implications are unbelievable. Every time I read it I pick up on something else. If I understand this properly in addition to having a trapping license trappers will have to apply for a fisher permit, similar to a marten permit.Additionally they will be required to maintain a logbook.Also they will be required to submit the jawbone or skull. One possibility mentioned in the plan, and not to be discounted is a "combined quota" of fisher and/or marten. There is so much of these kind of things in the draft that it needs to be read and reread. Sadly DEC is drawing a second species, pine marten, into this and adversely affecting sensible harvest of that species also. The inclusion of the section of climate change to me shows how desperate they are to justify what they plan to do. Who knows, in a thousand years the glaciers will all melt along with the polar ice caps and the oceans rising to the point that most of the Adirondacks will be under water.Somehow I don't see climate change appropriate in a ten year plan. Excuse me but I'm late, I have to get out there and count how many snow shoe hares per unit of effort!
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Post by trappermac on Feb 22, 2015 17:54:52 GMT -5
I agree with Squash also, habitat management is not in the draft plan, you have to argue what's presented.
I'll be waiting for NYSTA's position before I comment, it's important that we're all on the same page on this. If it takes 2 weeks for that there is still plenty of time to comment. Strength is in numbers, if we're all over the place with our comments the fight will lack merit. Be patient as John has asked.
Wooder - when you have an animal mounted they do not use the animals jaw or teeth or skull for that matter when they do the mount. And they have logbooks for bowhunters to make observations not only for fisher but grouse, turkey, etc. Spending hours in a stand like we do gives us ample opportunities to view wildlife in a natural state vs. hunters who walk to hunt. Be careful about painting with too wide a brush, many trappers also bowhunt (many on this site including me) and I've always supported hound hunters. And I know a great many bowhunters who are better woodsman than many trappers I;ve met. If they take the time to do a logbook they probably know a little about what they are seeing. People need to stay focused, stay on the topic at hand.
I'm trusting John and others and the JTI will have a good plan for this proposal in a couple of weeks.
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Post by saquelie on Feb 22, 2015 18:36:38 GMT -5
Mac as I stated I have submitted my comments and yes I included habitat management my reason is if they cant manage the forest what makes any more qualified in managing wildlife. I was respectfull with my comments but to the point. And what if a person wished to keep his or her first fisher skull as he or she couldn't afford a full mount. I too am a avid hunter, bow and muzzle loader, hound hunter, fishermen and trapper for over 45 years and never ever have I been issued a log book. A very good and respected trapper caught a marten when he notified dec they asked him to freeze whole and would pick up as they were doing a study. In two years time no one from dec came to pick it up after a halve dozen calls he sent it to auction.
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Post by jimbison on Feb 22, 2015 18:50:16 GMT -5
a lot of good points already stated the best is read ,reread,and read again there is a lot in this that is not obvious st Lawrence valley no changes at this time Adirondacks shorten season this will also shorten the season for pine martin no baited bodygrips after close of season western ny open with limitof 1 for nine days no baited bodygrips after close? think it won,t happen what they have done is to divide us up some will say don't affect me others it will affect greatly in the negative and still others will say aleast I can keep one now sad to say but look for your self we cannot waste our efforts on each other but need to be spending our time on getting more people to respond ether by mail or e-mail allsportsmen and family and friends need to respond . I believe that all residents of NY have a input on this contact them urge them to respond !! the habitat in the Adirondacks has not bee managed for habitat but for timber and to appearences the fisher are leaving looking for better conditions the same as what the deer have done we do not want limits on any additional spieces we need to have fisher season close in all areas at the same date other wise an enforcement nightmare remember after fisher season closes no baited bodygrips on land this not stated but can bet it will happen state wide no more bucket set or coni boxes in western NY after Nov. 2? if they must use a shorten season it needs to be in the latter part not when the fisher are of very little value who wants a $20 fisher when in a few weeks it is worth $75-100 ? I don't start fisher sets until mid Nov you cannot catch afully prime fisher in Oct. a fewyears ago I participated in the late fisher season after it was all done thDEC said that there was no significant difference in the trap night effert to the regular season at catch ratio why not a later season?
give John and the NYSTA a chance anyone that was paying attention knew this was coming just no idea what it was going to be
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Post by kirkwooder on Feb 22, 2015 23:55:48 GMT -5
Mac,
A former high school classmate of mine does a bleached skull mount that uses the whole skull, lower jaw and teeth included, and is a good way to keep a trophy, while still being able to sell the fur from the animal. These look amazing. I don't think they would look as good without the teeth and jaw, being that these parts are what make a predator so fearsome. My point, however, was more that trapping for a single trophy animal each season is absurd.
I too, am a bow hunter, and personally know many others who hunt with a bow. Most, and I emphasise most, not all, care little about anything but bow hunting. To think that those responsible for putting this study together put enough credibility into bow hunter logs to mention them as a supporting contributors to the study, and yet wholly leave out the contributions of the members of the JTI committee, and the NYSTA all together seems absurd to me. I don't mean to offend anyone, I just see this as a major flaw in the information gathering for the plan that has been put forward. Were those who were asked to do this log trained in any way? I would bet not. I have filled out a grouse hunting log for the last several years, and received only the most basic of instruction on how to fill in the information that was wanted. Just because I filled out the log does not mean I know what I was doing or that my information held any credibility. I feel that these logs should be given only the most minimal of credit, due to the inability to verify the information put forward.
I don't quite understand your houndsman reference, but I am also a houndsman and appreciate the support.
As far as waiting for the official NYSTA response, I agree that it would be great if everyone was to read and understand the position of the NYSTA before responding, however, many will lose their interest, and end up doing nothing, in the time it will take for that response to be properly assembled and put forward. I urge anyone that may be in this category to please put their own response together and submit it to the DEC. Even if those responses are somewhat flawed, at least they will have been submitted rather than gone unheard.
Just my $.02, and it probably isn't worth that.
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Post by jsevering on Feb 23, 2015 8:39:38 GMT -5
"mean annual fisher harvest in southeastern new york after 2006 were stable (518 fishers), therefore, the increase in the proportions trapped in this zone reflects a declining fisher harvest in northern new york." .....................................................................................................................
wow, that statement sure misses the point or turns a blind eye to so many of the factors like accessibility, prey availability,suitable or preferred dening sites,foraging abundance or opportunities upon the ground... and may of more than likely applied, where the fishers were accessible to trappers ... was any consideration given that areas of inaccessibility held by an older infertile female or females that may of affected dispersal to some degree into the assessable area or areas that trappers could access, if that area of dispersal was held by a fertile female and the prey abundance or den sites to the degree necessary per square km, any given year, just isn't or wasn't there to support the magic number and more than likely may of applied... guess they didn't pop up, or were entered into or are shown in real time on the wildlife habitat (dream) response model by the new york gap analysis project...
sorry that statement with its wide blind brush just hits me so wrong...jim
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Post by E.Reynolds on Feb 23, 2015 10:14:08 GMT -5
The Fisher Agenda is only a sub category. The entire Plan is to take back NYS lands for the King.
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