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Post by Woj on Apr 15, 2011 11:42:39 GMT -5
Jim and Brad backed up away from my tailgate with disgusted looks on their faces.....duly unimpressed. Zagman And you know if a lure maker has a disgusted look on their faces, then the stuff has to be bad
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Post by bballou on Apr 15, 2011 18:48:22 GMT -5
I think most of us who have tryed to build a lure or bait have had the oppertunity to see our prize bubble over---If I remember correctly E.J. Daley had it happen with a load of bait at Pasico---lots of cars had a bad smell in the trunk that day----may-be Mole or Flatiron remember. Its part of the game -----As far as being complicated---well --like most other things its only as complicated as you want it to be. Me I go along with Mark ---I like to keep it simple--jest like trapping---the K.I.S.S. method serves me the best. Many dont want to monkey with building lures and baits---they would rather buy them---most I think are in that catagory---BUT there are a few of us who like to do it on our own---like the idea of having built something that will have control over the animal for a few seconds---YOU control the whole process beginning to end----and we enjoy the smell on our fingers ---as papabear said.--I think its fun----I must have ---I have done it for more than 60 years.
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Post by flatiron on Apr 15, 2011 19:52:01 GMT -5
Don't remember that one Big Blue BUT I've seen more than one maker of secrets have it happen . Usually when someone asks if they can open and take a whiff . Zagman's got it to a tee ------------------- VOLCANO ! it was usually a guy w/ his wife or a passle of kids --------------on the hands , down the front of the shirt , pants and sometimes on the person next to em' when he makes the leap away from death . ;D ;D I never carry any of the sauce around unless its at least two years old . This whole thread makes me think about actually WHY some want to go to the trouble . I often tell Mr. Geffert it kinda like the job the man has who cleans out porta- johns --------------he tells maybe worse ! I only make it because -----------well ----------I have enough glands to do it , the smell doesn't bother me much and MOST of all I can be really ---------------what shall I say ------------- cheap! To those who are trying to make their own stuff ---------- more power to ya ! I reckon some are trying to find that secret MAGIC that catches at every set . Personally , it all works . After my Grandfather died I had little money to buy ingredients . I caught a couple hundred foxes those first two or three years on nothing but fish oil and bladder pee . Sloppy as hell w/ the oil , and caught fox by the scruff of the neck , elbows and nose from trying to roll on the set . There is no secrets BUT like MZ has said being in the proper location , proper bedding , and good sets and lots of hard work . Nuff said !
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Post by bballou on Apr 15, 2011 21:33:15 GMT -5
Von---Ill check with Paul G. he will remember the date---all I can remember for sure is the HUB---BUB ---of all the smelly cars. I am pretty sure it was E.J.---Like you ---dident have any money ---and Dad would tell me how to make the lure and bait-----the one thing I remember about the old teachers---there was no room for error----if the formula called for two drops thats what you put in--or they would say it wouldent work as well. Same with setting traps and building sets THEY DIDENT ALLOW FOR ERROR. AND I AGREE 110% there is no super lure--or set---HARD WORK IS THE ANSWER.---- (oh yes and my lure) LOL
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Post by Denny Emery on Apr 16, 2011 6:34:44 GMT -5
LOL, I used to believe there was magic in a bottle and was picking up everything under the sun. I used to browse the internet trapping supply places and read the lure descriptions, LOL, Hook, Line and sinker.... Which was the wrong thing to do at my stage in trapping and only led to mass confusion, hence my lure sale, . But you do have to admit, some lures are better than others. I have been doing a lot of listening/reading. When successful trappers post their catches or are respected trappers, they are the ones to pay heed to. I appreciate everyone's tips within this site. I have learned a lot and will learn more. Thanks, Denny
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Post by bballou on Apr 16, 2011 6:49:17 GMT -5
Denny you have opened a WHOLE new can of worms and a big bunch of doors---with your last statement---about lure and catches-----and some lures being better than others. "WOW" Buy any chance you dont live near a Nuk plant do you?
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Post by Denny Emery on Apr 16, 2011 6:50:59 GMT -5
No and I hate to ask why? LOL
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Post by jdpaint on Apr 16, 2011 7:07:35 GMT -5
Probably has been some great catches on the lures you are selling Denny , I dont understand why a lure will work for some but not others and the regional thing.Even within 2 to 3 hours in the same state.Also I wonder if a k-9 can smell and dig a lure 6 months later is it not a good thing to switch a few the next year if setting almost exact same spot?Curiosity aspect of the attractor gone? Why is the beaver so helpfull in trapping ?
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Post by Denny Emery on Apr 16, 2011 8:26:57 GMT -5
That brings up the question on lure burn out, because when a certain lure has permeated the ground and cannot easily be recovered, it is out there working 24/7 after season is gone. I would think that an animal walking by it day in and day out would lose its curiosity to that lure after a while. Maybe not in travel corridors and such as the animals are just passing through but the home range animals and within their core area.
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Post by Denny Emery on Apr 16, 2011 8:43:56 GMT -5
Can red fox gland lure that has the so called "passion ingredients" in it be used year round?
Maybe it is just a confusing smell early to the fox or the fox is just reacting/investigating it. Things to ponder on a rainy day...
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Post by bobsamuelson on Apr 16, 2011 10:15:39 GMT -5
Denny, Morning. To answer your next to last question first, most "burn out", from my understanding occurs when a lure is too readily available in a given area. For instance, if there are 6 trappers in a small geographic region, and each is using the same lure from a reputable lure maker, the lure looses its attractiveness to the K9's in that area from over exposure. Thus, "burn out". There may be nothing wrong with the lure formulation, but they get tired of the smell & do not react to it. Much like when your wife uses the same perfume every day, after a while, you get used to the smell! Eventually, through time & weather, the lure smells will dissipate, but they will still be able to detect something, thus the repeat visits & the amount of droppings at your dirt hole. Your last post, the "passion ingredients" in a lure cause the K9's to react in 2 ways. One, is during mating season, or just before, and the second, it becomes a curiosity lure as that smell is something that peaks their interest, though not related to mating. It can be used all year as "curiosity killed the cat"!
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Post by bballou on Apr 16, 2011 10:45:04 GMT -5
#1 talked to Paul G. this morning ---He said the lure or bait blow ups were definatly not something E.J. did---he did not remember who built them---but did remember Jim Helfrich having a bunch blow on him. Denny ---I was jest messing with ya---about the nuk plant---though you may have gotten into some fall out ---to get something like best lures--etc-- going on this thread. jdpaint----any smell that is usually in the area after a few months is usually a ingredient of the lure not the whole lure ---so to speak. They (the animals ) may get used to the smell and not respond---but I am not sure----Paul G. and I each build a beaver lure that you can smell the next year----(if applyed correctly)-- and I havent noticed any concernable rejection to the lure.---And its the same with some K9 lures----It may be the other ingredients that perk the intrest.---This is WHY I enjoy lures and there ingredients.GUESS ITS THE SEARCH FOR THE SUPER LURE.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2011 10:48:36 GMT -5
Here is a thought. I had a pint of homemade glands laying around for a year. Was not breaking down fast enough for me (Of course it takes years). So I put the jar in a boiling bot of water and boiled it for 2 hours. Broke everthing down into a smooth creamy substance...... smell nice like a mellow foxy smell. Not saying it the right thing to do, but I will definately experiment with it again. And yes, I caught fox on it for what it matters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2011 10:50:01 GMT -5
And for what it matters........ the more K-9's I catch, the more I realize we as trappers do crazy stuff...... mostly for are own liking....... the critters could care less.
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Post by bobsamuelson on Apr 16, 2011 10:53:21 GMT -5
AJ, were the glands ground or still whole? Grinding speeds up the aging process (the rotting or breaking down) of the glands, and it is a much more pleasant experience to grind before they start to break down!
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Post by bballou on Apr 16, 2011 11:03:19 GMT -5
AJ---the usuall time to break down glands for a K9 gland lure is 2 years---Might say rule of thumb.---This is to make sure the glands arent working enough to cause a Zagger Vulcano.-----But you may have hit on something to speed up the process----please keep an eye on the mix and let us know if any gasing continues.---ILL BE DARN.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2011 13:49:07 GMT -5
Guys, no original thought here. I think I picked it up on the internet when there was a disussion about making powerful urine......... one of the things mention was boiling it down, like maple syrup. Give it a try some time, you would be suprised with the results.
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Post by jdpaint on Apr 16, 2011 17:53:49 GMT -5
Good post AJ , have you tried froze out urine? In Paul Grimshaws catalog ,he speaks of his lures being made with extreme heat ,maybe he would be a good source to pick his brain on what you are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2011 19:56:03 GMT -5
JD,
Yes I have tried froze out urine, I try every thing. To be honest, I have my best luck with fresh urine. Like real fresh!
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Post by papabear on Apr 16, 2011 21:49:29 GMT -5
Hmmm boiling glands, where did i put that cast iron cauldron? Mamabear has to work tomorrow. oh boy!
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Post by bballou on Apr 17, 2011 6:04:58 GMT -5
papabear ---you behave your self ---when mommas out.
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Post by Denny Emery on Apr 17, 2011 6:05:30 GMT -5
Old microwave?? Cook them from the inside, outside of course
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 6:33:27 GMT -5
Double boiler papa bear. Glass jar in a pot of water. In all seriousness, try a small amount, you might be suprised. While I do not think it will be like 20 year old glands, I do think you will like the results.
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Post by papabear on Apr 17, 2011 7:14:17 GMT -5
Dear Mr. A.J., Thanks for the input. Mr. Denny, I have strict orders that I am no longer allowed to use the microwave, my hide will be hanging off the back fence if I foul the thing again! Regards papabear
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Post by Denny Emery on Apr 17, 2011 14:55:09 GMT -5
What did you do to the microwave the first time?
On topic, does a paste lure last longer at the set than a pourable one?
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