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Post by wmthrower on Dec 22, 2005 7:25:50 GMT -5
When you guys have modifed your triggers per the new DEC regs, have you found that some traps are hard to get the 8" distance from trigger to jaw? I was tweaking some last night and some of them were awful hard to get the trigger over far enough. The shape of the jaw prevents you from getting way over to the side. So are you supposed to get different 330's or go to 280's so that you can meet the regs?
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Post by Itrapny on Dec 22, 2005 8:36:37 GMT -5
That may be a good question for a ECO to answer, I know that a few cruise these sites, maybe they can provide us with an answer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2005 10:38:38 GMT -5
I also found out the same thing when I modified four new Duke 330's the other day. I used species specific triggers on those and they were close on that 8" requirement. The bend in the corners is what compromises the distance. They barely make it with the trigger pushed all the way to the side. I wouldn't spend the money on 280's, unless you have and can catch enough beaver in a couple of seasons to get your investment back. After a couple of seasons of this regulation and the inevitable catch of a couple of un-intended catches of otter by beaver trappers, you will see any other conibear larger than 160 or smaller than a modified 330, outlawed in the southern zones. I'd bet on it .
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Post by wmthrower on Dec 22, 2005 12:10:30 GMT -5
That's just what I found Bobber. I ran into some trouble on some Bridgers I had. To get the trigger over 8", you are just about up on the bend in the jaw and the darn thing doesn't want to work right there. I hope that an ECO would answer this for us. I trap both southern and northern zones so I need 330's for both. I don't think that I'll ever by 280's when I have 330's all paid for. I hope you are wrong on the 220 ban.
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Post by banditbuster on Dec 22, 2005 15:08:54 GMT -5
i have some 330s that work but i have a couple victors that wont... i dont agree with this law at all....... i think a short trigger would be more effective than slideing the trigger to 1 side. you can still easily catch otters.. and why did the dec relocate otter here anyway... does anyone know the reason??? they brought the yotes closer to the 9j,9k and 9r area a few years ago now they constintly have problems with them around here... i like trapping yotes im not complaining, but why the otters??? do you think we will ever have a season on them... 1 of the places i trap beaver is a trout stream that has not been stocked in years so the trout are mostly native. very very few people fish there ever,..... but i love to.. but since the otter came around i cant even find many tout in there... and the ones i do find are usualy dead and chewed up.... im not to happy about the laws that have changed over the past 5 years over the otter thanks
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Post by bobsamuelson on Dec 22, 2005 18:21:39 GMT -5
The otter restoration project was funded, largely, by Rochester, Gas & Electric and Xerox. Hence, you have "big buck, big business" dictating how we trap. It hasn't helped that we have had some beaver trappers unwilling to take precautions to avoid possible otter catches.
They can't ban my 220's! I use them to catch quite a few muskrats in the drainage pipes under farmers laneways.
Also, glad to be back on here!
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Post by Scottthetrapper on Dec 22, 2005 18:51:50 GMT -5
Hey guys. this isn't a good thing but it's something that isn't going away for a while. The answere to the question is an 8 inch opening on 330s. YOu may find a ECO that will let 7 3/4 go but I highly doubt it. I have found that some need a little more work to get this opening but it can be done. Here's what I've done with the Duke 330 this was a hard trap to get to the legal dimentions. By bending the one wire on the trigger you can get the 8 inches needed. Victors will be the same. This trap is one that I just aquired and the trigger wires need to be cut to the proper height and a tentioning device installed.
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Post by herm on Dec 24, 2005 19:25:17 GMT -5
We all should have learned by now that we can not work with the DEC on this issue.If anyone should happen to catch something in a 330 other than a beaver keep your mouth shut. While I do not consider the DEC to be our enemy,I dont trust them.When it gets down to it they are bureaucrats.Dont even let the word out if you still catch a muskrat in a 330.If every one learns from the past and forgets about reporting things to the DEC that can be used against us we will not have more regulations on the smaller traps.
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Post by seandicare on Dec 24, 2005 22:19:50 GMT -5
boy am i glad i live up north, don't have to worry about that just yet. probably will in a couple years from now, knowing all the people in the back pocket of DEC. Dom
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Post by timwilcox on Dec 25, 2005 4:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by Itrapny on Dec 25, 2005 9:10:54 GMT -5
Tim, Scott said in his post that he still needed to shorten the triggers and install the correct tensioning device trigger.
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Post by timwilcox on Dec 25, 2005 9:26:33 GMT -5
oops
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Post by rendezvous on Dec 25, 2005 11:09:48 GMT -5
I think scottthetrapper has found a simple solution to a perplexing problem, Thanks!
This site is great! Merry Christmas everyone...
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Post by herm on Dec 25, 2005 19:53:59 GMT -5
How can you tell by looking at the picture if the trap needs a tension device?The information I have, put out by the DEC shows one way to put tention on the trigger is ti flatten out the curve on the trigger that goes on the jaws of the trap. This method would not show up in a picture.
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Post by Itrapny on Dec 25, 2005 20:19:45 GMT -5
Technically, the regulation doesn't state that you need a tensioning device installed, it is just recomended. It does state that the trigger cannot be a 4 way trigger (a V shape), but a regular U shaped trigger.
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Post by trapperjohn on Dec 26, 2005 20:41:09 GMT -5
I have been working on my 330s that my father inlaw had given me. I just started on (NY Trappers) i like this site because it is were i live. So i started to read this post and there is really good ideas. This is my first year trapping.
Scott; Thank you for the links they help me out alot i had no idea what to do because i was also having the same problem.
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Post by Itrapny on Dec 26, 2005 21:25:01 GMT -5
Welcome Trapperjohn and feel free to express opinions and ask questions, that's why we're here!
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Post by Scottthetrapper on Dec 27, 2005 0:44:33 GMT -5
Trapperjohn, the links were provided by Tim Wilcox. We are here trying to help each other, so anything you need help on just ask away. Someone here will be able to help you out. And depending on just where you are from there maybe someone that could give you help out on your trap line. When I was starting out the sharing of information was almost nonexistant. It is everywhere now and you need not wonder whether what you are doing is right or not. Welcome to the site and to the trapping world.
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Post by trapperjohn on Dec 27, 2005 5:54:54 GMT -5
Sorry about that Tim Wilcox thanks for the links they helped out alot. I live in Manchester about 25 miles south east of Rochester. Thanks Scottthetrapper for correcting me now that i look at it closer.
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Post by wmthrower on Dec 27, 2005 7:20:10 GMT -5
Sorry I've been away for the holidays. That is an easy solution. Thanks for the tip. Wayne, in my reg book, it says at the bottom of page 36 that the 330 traps "must have all of the features noted above." This includes a tension adjustable trigger. It does say that there is no tension requirement though. It also states this on the website. So my interpretation is that you do need a tension adjustable trigger but you don't have to have any tension on it.
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Post by charlielambjr on Dec 27, 2005 7:23:28 GMT -5
your right wrm you need an adjustable 2wat trigger but you do not need to have tension on it
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Post by livetrappingbymatt on Dec 28, 2005 0:13:52 GMT -5
just wondering how you'd set up a round 330 for the 8" offset? the 660 just needs the trigger cut and tension bolt attached.each side is 8" wide. bob
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Post by timwilcox on Dec 28, 2005 12:42:51 GMT -5
With this new regulation, I can not see using the 660, to much open area for the animal to go passed without hitting the trigger. As for the round 330's, great question. I suppose you could move the triggers over to the side & bend the triggers straight down. Not sure how well it will work like that though. This regulation seems to be more of a pain than it's worth.
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