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Post by northof70 on Jan 5, 2017 18:01:32 GMT -5
Buried at the bottom of page three of last nights paper was a notification that recertification of pistol permits issued prior to Jan. 15, 2013 has begun. "Failure to recertify by January 31, 2018 will serve as basis for revocation." Again, according to the article. recertification can be done on line at troopers.ny.gov/firearms.
I did mine tonight and it only too about ten minutes.
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paintedpaw
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Post by paintedpaw on Jan 8, 2017 9:44:44 GMT -5
More of Cuomo's B.S.
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Post by papabear on Jan 13, 2017 11:11:37 GMT -5
Dear Friend, Recertification of pistol permits before 2013? Who has to recertify?.......Mine was issued in 1981 without an expiration date listed on it. Regards
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Post by tony1967 on Jan 13, 2017 11:31:55 GMT -5
Everyone has to recertify. I got mine in 1988 and I have to as well...
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Post by nightstalker1 on Jan 13, 2017 12:07:10 GMT -5
what happens if you don't re-certify ?
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Post by trappinphool on Jan 13, 2017 12:09:53 GMT -5
They can pull your permit
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paintedpaw
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Post by paintedpaw on Jan 13, 2017 13:27:28 GMT -5
Pappa Bear, it is my understanding that anyone issued a permit prior to 2013 must recertify, thanks to the Safe Act. New York City area handled differently. Recertification handled by the State Police. My permit was issued in 1970 and I still have that same permit. Recertification to take place every five years. You can get a direct link to online application if you visit the NY Conservation Council website. Best regards.
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valleytrapper
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Post by valleytrapper on Jan 13, 2017 17:30:12 GMT -5
I have had my Pistol Permit since 1970, which means I have until 31 January 2018 to comply with the Safe Act Law. I plan to wait until mid-January 2018 before I complete the State's request to re-register. I have several registered handguns that the number of, type, and serial number are all available at the Sherriff's Office. My feelings are that if the Safe Act is eliminated, why should provide information that is already available to law enforcement. If the Safe Act is eliminated, where is all the gathered information going, and who is going to have access to it? I choose not to give the government any more info about my firearms than I am legally required to do, and waiting until I see what our newly elected officials are able to accomplish between now and mid-January 2018 is not asking too much.
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Post by erict on Jan 13, 2017 20:52:02 GMT -5
For those who have not peeked at the recertification site they are now expecting you to enter your driver license number as well. Anyone wanna guess why that is? There are many fine organizations supporting sportsmen and 2nd amendment rights in NY and among them is the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association, Inc.. They were a leading group in NY fighting the SAFE Act and have now posted their stance worth considering: PISTOL PERMIT RE-CERTIFICATIONNY Trooper pistol permit recertificationLadies and Gentlemen, I know there is a lot of talk and consternation regarding the re-certification process and the page that has recently been made active by the NYSP. Let me perfectly clear; while we object to any regulation that places any additional burden on the practice of our Second Amendment Rights we cannot advise you not to re-certify. If we performed that illegal act it would have dire consequences for the Association. I would suggest to those re-certifying to visit their County Clerk’s Office to make sure your permit matches what is on file in the office. Remember you have one year to perform this re-certification, make good use of that time, make sure everything is correct. I would also suggest that December 29, 2017 would be a good time to re-certify for two reasons (1.) It will give us time to work on a legislative fix (2.) It would be a good test of the system’s capabilities. If you have any questions please contact us. Tom King Cogito ergo armatus sum
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Post by papabear on Jan 13, 2017 23:19:49 GMT -5
Dear Friends, Fingerprints, photo's, background checks, letters of recommendation, and a talk with the County Judge to be granted a given constitutional right. Now they want to turn it into a privilege and most likely resulting to another source of revenue for the money grubbing state government. Do the police agencies not correspond with or have access to one another? My permit was processed through the local police agency by the departments chief, and is on file at the County Court Judge's office. Why then do we permit holders have to contact another police agency (NYS police) and forward personal information that they (NYS police) can quite easily obtain?....... Understand I hold no ill will toward any law enforcement agency but I do, however, question the logic behind this further infringement upon my rights and integrity.......I ask, will crooks and criminals be held to the same standard? Certainly not because they obviously don't subject themselves to all the trouble and rules for applying for and obtaining a permit that is granted to lawful and law abiding citizens. Makes me think long and hard about just exactly who are these implementers of this re-certification requirement working for, the law abiding citizens or criminals! Regards
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paintedpaw
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Post by paintedpaw on Jan 14, 2017 10:30:34 GMT -5
It came to my mind with the question if I owned any handguns; do not they already know that? Does one hand know what the other is doing? More of "Big Brother"! Registration leads to confiscation! I do not intend to break the law, but we need lawmakers to step up and truly represent us and protect our God given rights. How many of these guns used in crimes are registered to the perpetrators? FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.
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tmc
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Post by tmc on Jan 15, 2017 22:43:48 GMT -5
I'm waiting to see how this gets handled. The local permitting agent kant spleell verie welle, half of my guns were misspelled on my permit over the years as guns were added. A child would have done better. For example, the permitting agent's entries: "Dnan Wesson," sToegger cugor," instead of Dan Wesson and Stoeger Cougar. And that's just the two worst examples. When I recertified, I spelled the guns exactly as they're supposed to be, but the information in the recertification form I filled out does not match my permit, only because of said original errors. When I pointed out to the agent that the guns were misspelled when he added them over time, EACH time, he stated that it doesn't matter. This was all prior to the un-SAFE Act... so, now what? Like I said, I'll wait and see. Besides, the drop-down had the correct spelling anyhow, I had no opportunity to enter the names as he entered them. I hope they'll figure it out but who knows if it's just another way to take the guns because they don't match the permit.
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tmc
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Post by tmc on Jan 15, 2017 22:47:38 GMT -5
I didn't notice that auto-correct wouldn't allow "Wesson" to be spelled like he had it -- wenEssin
No exaggeration. It's all clearly misspelled on the permit.
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Post by herm on Jan 16, 2017 15:44:17 GMT -5
I have to ask, Why wasnt the permits issued at the state level in the first place? Why involve counties with another state mandate?
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Post by erict on Jan 16, 2017 19:44:04 GMT -5
I have to ask, Why wasnt the permits issued at the state level in the first place? Why involve counties with another state mandate? As best as I can determine, here's how it went: Wikipedia shows "The Sullivan Act is a gun control law in New York State that took effect in 1911. Upon first passage, the Sullivan Act required licenses for New Yorkers to possess firearms small enough to be concealed. Possession of such firearms without a license was a misdemeanor, and carrying them was a felony. The act was named for its primary legislative sponsor, democratic state senator Timothy Sullivan, a notoriously corrupt Tammany Hall politician. For handguns, the Sullivan Act qualifies as a may issue act, meaning the local police have discretion to issue a concealed carry license, as opposed to a shall issue act, in which state authorities must give a concealed handgun license to any person who satisfies specific criteria, often a background check and a safety class." The county sheriff is the highest law enforcement officer in a county and probably exercised control over this "local police" matter. Each county thus established their own pistol permit office and through the years that's the way it went. The SAFE Act apparently had no provisions or intentionally left out the counties and put the job of enforcement entirely on the State Police. One can only suspect that there were more than a few counties that did not want to "play ball" by providing NYSP with their pistol permit records, so NYSP decided to start fresh in order, they say, to have a "clean list". In other words, if you ain't on it, you are on their bad boy list. If I were a gamblin' man I'd guess this is part of a long term plan for the state to try to take over pistol permits and reap the $$ that comes from it. Worst thing about it is that it will probably not prevent a single crime.
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Post by squash on Jan 17, 2017 16:00:10 GMT -5
Everyone should use the mail in paper application. The State Police want you to recertify online, that way it saves them time and money entering your data, you do it for them.. By using the paper application it ties up their staff entering my data.
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tmc
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Post by tmc on Jan 18, 2017 7:53:12 GMT -5
lol, I forgot the ones I think are the funniest, I think I missed them because they're not actual typos --- since even black powder pistols have to be on your permit if you ever load them, and I do hunt with them, he put "horse pistol" instead of "black powder." "Black Powder" is on the permits of my friends in other counties.
I'd love to have Brian Regan sit down with this guy some day. He'd get a lifetime of material from him!
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Post by saquelie on Jan 18, 2017 10:53:38 GMT -5
Well my cherry has been broke, just got my permit and must sat the process wasent to bad. Submitted my application in Oct and picked up permit last week. Now the transfer of guns to the perit has been nothing but a nightmare with many miles running back and forth from one county to the next. Was told it would be easy by investigater to have my fathers and father in laws pistol put on my permit by dual registering them. Fathers was a piece of cake just needed a letter of intent with his signature. Father in laws was supposed to be easy just needed a copy of his permit and signed letter of intent. Not so easy because he lives in a different county had to go thru ffl guy do all the paper work run all the way back to my county do paper work then all the way back to his county only to be told there county doesn't allow duel registration. So I say ok we will do transfer fill out papers back to my county do paper work back to his county only to be told cant do back ground checks on Tuesdays good god. Drove down this morning and picked up one gun and noticed permit says Harrington% Richards not Harrington & Richardson.
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Post by 2labs on Jan 18, 2017 12:17:20 GMT -5
I printed out the form, and will fill it out next December. My feelings are if they want to know what I have they should ask Livingston county. Pretty pathetic how 3 Liberal Hack's can write a law and it is legal. Hopefully they might change some of the Crap they made law.
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Post by squash on Jan 18, 2017 15:41:28 GMT -5
My question is, what happens if President Trump gets a national reciprocity law passed as promised ? Along with my NY permit I have a Utah permit, can I then tell Andy Cuomo to pound salt ?
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tmc
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Post by tmc on Jan 18, 2017 16:27:36 GMT -5
Go ahead and tell him anyhow, lol! Yeah, I know, just sayin'.
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Post by saquelie on Jan 18, 2017 17:55:41 GMT -5
OK this will tick every one off. Today they found my father in laws brother dead. Two hours after me and him got my gun transferred. When he heard of the death he went to his brothers house and sheriffs were taken handguns out of house. He asked them to turn them over to him they said no. He went to the county and asked for a copy of the law that says they can do this and they don't have anything in writing. This is only a start.
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Post by erict on Jan 18, 2017 20:27:09 GMT -5
Sorry for your loss. That being said, unless the deputies showed up with a search warrant then someone willingly gave the guns up. Still no problem, but it pays to know the gun laws, especially in this state. The executor of the estate can allow the transfer of those firearms to a legal possessor as clearly defined below.
New York State Penal Law, Section 265.20 (f) states: (f) A person voluntarily surrendering such weapon, instrument, appliance or substance, provided that such surrender shall be made to...the sheriff of the county in which such person resides,...; and provided, further, that the same shall be surrendered by such person in accordance with such terms and conditions as may be established by such ... sheriff ... A person who possesses any such weapon, instrument, appliance or substance as an executor or administrator or any other lawful possessor of such property of a decedent may continue to possess such property for a period not over fifteen days. If such property is not lawfully disposed of within such period the possessor shall deliver it to an appropriate official described in this paragraph or such property may be delivered to the superintendent of state police. Such officer shall hold it and shall thereafter deliver it on the written request of such executor, administrator or other lawful possessor of such property to a named person, provided such named person is licensed to or is otherwise lawfully permitted to possess the same. If no request to deliver the property is received by such official within one year of the delivery of such property, such official shall dispose of it in accordance with the provisions of section 400.05 of this chapter.
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Post by saquelie on Jan 18, 2017 20:46:02 GMT -5
Erict they were first in house, unattended death. The investigater refused to turn guns over to him plus he got no help at county level. Do you no of any laws regarding duel transfers.
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Post by erict on Jan 18, 2017 22:01:52 GMT -5
I think the executor can authorize transfer to an FFL, who can then facilitate transfer to a pistol permit holder. The FFL would likely charge a fee, as they would have to perform a NICS check. County pistol permit offices deal with this all the time, may want to try the or a trusted FFL. This same general thing happened to my best friend when his father passed away in Erie County and everything worked out fine in the end.
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