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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 4:28:56 GMT -5
There has been movement in Region 3 to reduce the water trapping season. I am seeking the opinions of any trapper, but hope to gain the opinions of any Region 3 trapper that would be affected by this reduction. The petition which I hope is attached asks that the season opens on November 25th, or the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Currently, it opens on Nov 10th. If further states the season ends March 31st which it currently closes Apr 7th. (Otter would still close Feb 28th). Although, the petition was filed with the DEC. A joint meeting with active Nysta Affiliates in the Region is planned for in June. The intent of the reduction from what I learned thus far is to trap only "Prime Fur" and to sustain muskrat populations. Thanks Mike
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 8:42:27 GMT -5
This non-sense of only having season during "prime fur" time is going to bite you all in the but. I've had october caught red fox sell for more than late november fur.
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Post by paintedpaw on May 1, 2015 8:45:28 GMT -5
I do not live in Region 3, but my only comment is be careful what you give up because you will NEVER get it back!
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Post by wcs on May 1, 2015 10:46:57 GMT -5
Mike, I thought this was a dead issue? Any movement to lessen or take away our time afield is BS! These clowns should be trying to expand our opportunities to trap not limit them. I caught many muskrats this spring the last week of the season and they were perfect.
Taking away THREE weeks of our water season is not acceptable at any level. It hurts the youth as well as they are limited in the time they can trap due to school, and taking three weeks away is a real kick in the nads.
The individual who is proposing this non sense should have his head examined and kicked out of NYSTA until he realizes his actions are are detrimental to trapping. Once something like this is implemented, we will NEVER get those weeks back. What a joke
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Post by 160andup on May 1, 2015 11:44:01 GMT -5
Yup, that's an unfortunate proposal and I hope it doesn't go any further than just that, a proposal. I would love to have the Nov 10 - April 7 season... A November 25-February 15 water season aint all it's cracked up to be.
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Post by trappermac on May 1, 2015 13:03:11 GMT -5
Gotta agree with others, the last thing you should be doing is putting effort into taking season length away. Like the previous post, we've got a short water season down here and I still don't understand why no effort is put into lengthening our water season in the southern tier. We're iced if not at the opener then a week afterward, and since we close Feb 15 we never see open water again. And you guys want to cut your length? Do not fight for less opportunity. If someone feels the fur is more prime later than your opener and sooner than your close...the pull your traps. You're supposed to be representing the trappers in your region...are you?
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Post by johnrockwood on May 1, 2015 13:03:12 GMT -5
Do not give up anything. There are enough proposals by others that are trying to take more and more away from trappers - we should not be trying to do it to ourselves!
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Post by johnrockwood on May 1, 2015 13:05:47 GMT -5
Jim, there is an ongoing effort to extend the water trapping season in western NY. Some of the DEC biologists agree, some do not. An organized effort by trappers in Regions 7 and 8 pushing for an extended season there would help.
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Post by papabear on May 1, 2015 13:29:51 GMT -5
Dear Friend, With DEC's concurrent seasons mentality this proposal could and would (if enacted) effect all trappers in the southern zone. DON'T MAKE THESE TYPE REQUESTS ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US!!!!!!
Regards
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Post by wcs on May 1, 2015 13:57:47 GMT -5
I will clarify for the poster of this thread before it becomes too far gone. Rocklandtrappers, mike, is the pres of rock trappers association. He is not the person behind the proposal being sent to the dec. mike is very adamant and vocal that he is not in favor of the proposal. I usually don't call people out, but he brought this upon himself. The person speaking for the entire southern zone is the president of the Orange County association and the lead for zone three if I'm not mistaken. If a zone pres wants to make this type of proposal, I think every member of the zone should have a say before the proposal is sent. Mail ballots or emails would do.
Ask any trapper out west ny how he feels about their shortened season and see what their reaction is.
Mr Rockwood, I am sure you are aware of this proposal. Did the person responsible for it seek NYSTA approval before the letter was sent? What was the reaction by the chair people? Some set on this guy if you ask me.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 14:01:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback thus far. Rockland County has opposed the shortening of the season for quite sometime. I have had our opinions shared at the Regional Conservation Board, with the Regional Furbearer Biologist and the Chief Biologist of the DEC. All of that takes a lot of time away from pushing what we don't have and should have. With that said, It's unfortunate the petition was filed before ALL the affiliates met but we can't change that now. Our hope is to bring a consensus of opinion where ever it may lead to the mtg for an honest and fair discussion.
Mike.
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Post by johnrockwood on May 1, 2015 15:20:05 GMT -5
NYSTA was aware of the above petition by the present Region 3 Director. That Director was advised by NYSTA that his position on this issue was not what NYSTA viewed as the position of the majority of the Region 3 trappers but he was intent on submitting his petition anyway. We were at the time, and we are now, well aware of the position of Rockland County Trappers and others in Region 3. I have personally been engaged in conversation regarding this issue and how to defend against it with representatives of Rockland County.
In the past, when seeking changes to regulations, seasons, etc., the Department has informed us that if they are even to begin to seriously consider such changes that they must sense that at least two thirds of the trappers directly affected by the change must be in favor of the change. (Unfortunately that isn't the case with changes the Department proposes!) I would suggest that if there is to be a meeting between Region 3 biologists and Region 3 trappers that everyone who disagrees with this change show up at that meeting to overwhelmingly show the Department that far more than two thirds of the trappers in the Region oppose the change(s).
As a reminder, this year is the time for Region 1,2,3 and 4 NYSTA members to elect their Director. If someone else wishes to become Regional Director in any of those Regions they need to submit a letter of intent and eligibility to both the new NYSTA President Ed Hogan and our NYSTA Election Chairman Bob Hughes as per the NYSTA By Laws.
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Post by wcs on May 1, 2015 17:58:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply Mr Rockwood. Can a sitting regional director go against the directives of the NYSTA board? Seems illogical to me. Did he submit the petition outside the scope of NYSTA? If yes then he should get the boot IMO
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Post by austinp on May 2, 2015 10:16:51 GMT -5
I'm astounded to read what I read here. A trapper proposes to shorten a trapping season for his own assumption of population management? Don't even know where to begin commenting on that, other than what's already been shared above.
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Post by austinp on May 4, 2015 18:14:51 GMT -5
NYSTA was aware of the above petition by the present Region 3 Director. That Director was advised by NYSTA that his position on this issue was not what NYSTA viewed as the position of the majority of the Region 3 trappers but he was intent on submitting his petition anyway. We were at the time, and we are now, well aware of the position of Rockland County Trappers and others in Region 3. Well with all due respect and to be rather blunt,. this guy took his own misguided, 100% wrong assumptions on muskrat management and went full retard with it. Not much you can do when someone goes off the reservation with hair-brained misconceptions. More importantly, what are the prospects for a season extension to either 3/15 or 3/31 (or later) here in the southern zone? Trapping rats while they are peak prime from mid-Feb to late March is way, way past due here in this half of the state.
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Post by wcs on May 4, 2015 22:40:35 GMT -5
Anyone know the address for our NYSTA election chair mr Hughes? Thanks
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Post by johnrockwood on May 5, 2015 7:12:14 GMT -5
Robert Hughes 10835 Isaman Road Perkinsville, NY 14529
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 22:45:01 GMT -5
Glad to report. This attempt won't be gaining any momentum for the time being. Thanks for the help.
Mike
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Post by pockets on Jun 9, 2015 6:54:36 GMT -5
That is good news glad to hear that this issue was put to rest. Now even better news would be to hear that your rep that petitioned for this is no longer a NYSTA rep.
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Post by austinp on Jun 9, 2015 8:25:41 GMT -5
x2
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Post by wcs on Jun 9, 2015 14:50:34 GMT -5
X3
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 16:41:01 GMT -5
Sorry Folks. Won't be any change in leadership in the foreseeable future. I wish I could say more but I don't agree with airing dirty laundry as it relates to NYSTA on here and maybe when this guy gets to know me better, he'll allow me to assume the role anyway. (I'm well aware of the process but it's just not worth the fight.) Till then good luck. STAY INFORMED & JOIN A CLUB.
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