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Post by johnm on Dec 19, 2014 17:25:50 GMT -5
I found a couple deer carcases that were shot and not found, fox and yotes have been hitting them. How close/far away can I set traps if the carcass isnt cover? Second if I use a bait pile that I do cover, when done legally am I required to move the baits ( muskrat carcasses)?
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Post by Itrapny on Dec 19, 2014 18:02:24 GMT -5
You need to cover the carcass if you plan to set traps near it. There isn't any setback requirements, but the law states that the carcass MUST be covered... To be a good sportsman however, you should stay back at least 25 feet to avoid the possibility of catching raptors
"Any carcass used as bait and placed or used in conjunction with a foothold trap shall be completely covered at the time the trap is set or visited. Coverings shall include but not be limited to brush; branches; leaves; soil; snow; water; or enclosures constructed of wood, metal, wire, plastic or natural materials; and must completely cover the carcass so that it is not visible from directly above. A carcass is defined as the body or parts thereof, meat, organs or viscera of an animal, including fish. Feathers (including feathers with attached skin or entire bird wings), hair (with or without skin or hide), and bones that include no attached meat, organs or viscera, are excluded from this definition."
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Post by johnm on Dec 19, 2014 18:39:14 GMT -5
I was thinking more like 100 foot from the deer, would it still need to be cover?
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Post by Dave Morse on Dec 19, 2014 18:56:07 GMT -5
Im not a CO but if you didnt put the deer there , I wouldn't bother to cover it. I wouldn't set traps on the carcass, there is no distance minimum, and we dont want one. I trapped right on deer for years in my younger days when it was legal and its not the place to catch k-9 in number.
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Post by oldman50 on Dec 19, 2014 19:52:49 GMT -5
Possums and Skunks oh my!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Itrapny on Dec 19, 2014 19:53:37 GMT -5
Whether or not you put the deer there, the regulation clearly states... "Any carcass used as bait and placed or used in conjunction with a foothold trap shall be completely covered at the time the trap is set or visited." so I would cover it if i was setting any traps near it.
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Post by oldman50 on Dec 19, 2014 20:01:34 GMT -5
Whether or not you put the deer there, the regulation clearly states... "Any carcass used as bait and placed or used in conjunction with a foothold trap shall be completely covered at the time the trap is set or visited." so I would cover it if i was setting any traps near it. That's how I read it too. Gonna catch Possums and Skunks anyway! I know it's tempting but there are much better sets.
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Post by Dave Morse on Dec 19, 2014 20:15:38 GMT -5
The state gives no distance on this carcass law, its not my job to cover every dead deer or cow in the woods or search for one I dont know about so I can trap. If the trap isnt set ON the deer or touching it im not trapping a carcass.
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Post by trappermac on Dec 20, 2014 8:11:32 GMT -5
The state gives no distance on this carcass law, its not my job to cover every dead deer or cow in the woods or search for one I dont know about so I can trap. If the trap isnt set ON the deer or touching it im not trapping a carcass. I’d be willing to bet you that if you had that trap 6 inches back from the carcass (not touching) you’d get ticketed by an ECO. Sometimes instead of looking for the loophole in the laws you need to use common sense. If you are set 10 ft from that uncovered carcass an ECO would still look at it as you are setting that carcass, bait is an attractor and you’re using that carcass as an attractor. Set 25 or 50 yards away in the K9’s approach area with a hay set/post set and you are not setting the carcass, simply in the vicinity of. And in my experience those two sets worked in that fashion in the vicinity of a carcass are more effective than being right on that carcass.
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Post by Dave Morse on Dec 20, 2014 8:37:14 GMT -5
With no distance given there will be no ticket given than will stick.I already stated its not a good set. The key words in the the law are PLACED, USED AS BAIT,IN CONJUNCTION WITH FOOTHOLD TRAP.I dont think we want a distance put with the carcass law as stated above. As written NOW if I club n opposum and pitch it in the hedgerow does ir make the whole field untrappable unless I burry it. I trap a free range cattle farm and there are dead cows everywhere, do I have to bury those too? What about roadkill along the road, must I bury them too?
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Post by Dave Morse on Dec 20, 2014 8:54:55 GMT -5
That regulation doesn, t state ANYTHING CLEARLY.
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Post by trappermac on Dec 20, 2014 9:15:20 GMT -5
You’re correct, it is not clear. When things are not clear that’s where common sense needs to step in. When we fail to use common sense laws get written that we all despise where if we’d used common sense we would not have forced another stupid law. We’ve become a world where laws get written to dummy proof everything….failure to use good common sense. The questions you ask can be answered with common sense.
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Post by MuskratKid_Ny on Dec 20, 2014 9:53:05 GMT -5
Stick to the best set with bait piles set blind sets on paths canines use getting to them .. go one step farther and find some decent sized branches and drop them here or there on the paths and watch were they step every time they walk over them and set your trap were they step ...blind sets best sets ever
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Post by johnm on Dec 20, 2014 10:45:41 GMT -5
Muskrat kid, I should have beeen more specific, that was what I was thinking of, blind setting the trails. How far do I have to be?
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Post by johnm on Dec 20, 2014 10:46:10 GMT -5
Muskrat kid, I should have beeen more specific, that was what I was thinking of, blind setting the trails. How far do I have to be?
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Post by MuskratKid_Ny on Dec 20, 2014 11:09:20 GMT -5
You wanna stay a good distance away for legal and not to disturb there routes Just get used to were they step 9/10 times and u will put up numbers .. I'd stay away like 30 yds and work around to find high traffic routes
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Post by MuskratKid_Ny on Dec 20, 2014 11:19:33 GMT -5
You wanna stay a good distance away for legal and not to disturb there routes Just get used to were they step 9/10 times and u will put up numbers .. I'd stay away like 30 yds and work around to find high traffic routes
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Post by markg on Dec 20, 2014 18:05:07 GMT -5
I agree with Trappermac, The use of common sense is always your best bet. Like We teach in the trapping course just cause something is legal in may not be very ethical. When in doubt call the ECO in your area and get there interpretation of the law. They are the ones that are or aren't going to give you a ticket. just my 2c
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 18:12:43 GMT -5
I'm hoping Austin Chimes in on this, he will have the answer!
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Post by johnm on Dec 20, 2014 19:39:42 GMT -5
Markg, my point exactly, I want to be an ethical trapper, the laws are so vague that none of US knows the answer. I bet if I called five ECO's I would get 5 different answers..... just like it is illegal to 'dump' deer parts and it is also illegal to pick up deer parts.... why is it so difficult to understand what is legal and what is not?
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Post by traps82 on Dec 20, 2014 20:26:47 GMT -5
That's NY law making at it's finest.. Clear as mud.. Designed that way on purpose.. "Let's see Mr Trapper. There is a dead cow about 300 yards from here. I believe you placed it there. Doesn't matter if you are trapping beaver and muskrats thru the ice.. Your bait needs to be covered"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 21:04:31 GMT -5
Don't forget to tag your mouse traps either.
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Post by tmc on Dec 20, 2014 21:09:20 GMT -5
In my experience if you ask 5 you'll get better'n 30 answers...
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Post by oldtimer on Dec 22, 2014 22:47:52 GMT -5
use some good lure and forget the gutpiles .
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Post by bearman60 on Dec 23, 2014 7:37:06 GMT -5
oldtimer,i agree with you about using good lure.bait piles draw too much trash critters
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