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Post by gamehunterdh on Mar 28, 2013 21:19:30 GMT -5
Dec stopped me and my brother comin out of the woods after checking mink sets yesterday morning. Got back to the truck and there he is looking through my equipment and he said lets go see your traps so I bring him in and it all checks out. He requests my license trapping and drivers and he's trying to slap us with something idk why but he was going back reading the hunting and fishing guide and really looking to slap us with a violation. Also checks out the .22 I had in the truck but everything checked out he just thought we were up to no good idk what he had against us...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 22:07:40 GMT -5
Its pretty sad when they dont know their job........ had one ask me this year why i was using drags lol
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Post by mole on Mar 29, 2013 2:11:30 GMT -5
Sounds to me like they were doing their job to the letter.
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Post by psb1011 on Mar 29, 2013 3:14:53 GMT -5
what is idk ?
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Post by Itrapny on Mar 29, 2013 4:48:45 GMT -5
I agree with Mole, sounds to me like they were doing there job and using the guide to verify a question. Sounds to me like you are paranoid as I wouldn't be offended in the slightest....in fact, I would have asked them if they had any questions on trapping I could answer for them. Just because you wear a uniform doesn't mean you have every answer to every question at the tip of your tongue or provide you with a photogenic memory. If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be offended or upset in my opinion. Phil, idk stands for I don't know
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Post by BlackBearBill on Mar 29, 2013 5:26:17 GMT -5
Sounds to me like they were doing their job to the letter. +1 Bill
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Post by silverfox on Mar 29, 2013 5:31:22 GMT -5
agreed, written rules, regulations are published as reference (reference meaning "refer to") #1 its impossible to remember everything within the scopes of their job (as game violations are only a fraction) #2 a smart professional will verify to ensure time and money is not wasted on inaccurate citations crowding up the system, and i think our tax dollars are being wasted if they are not thoroughly checking everything (its their job),however (you didnt state one way or the other) i have had experiences with those that have a MASSIVE CHIP on their shoulder, act very disrespectful, and can be down right degrading which is extremely unprofessional when your primary duty is to "serve the people" but thats an individual trait, not a general consensus
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Post by mikespring on Mar 29, 2013 5:32:48 GMT -5
idk= I dont know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 7:16:41 GMT -5
By your explanation of this DEC Officer, If I reported an environmental issue, I would want him to investigate it. Sounds like he is thorough and articulate... Like Wayne said, it's impossible to memorize every section of law, they are constantly changing, becoming more and more complex.... It's always upsetting when being questioned by law enforcement, especially when we are following the rules.... It's human nature... Remember that guy when some crook rips off your traps or fur in the future, then you will appreciate his thoroughness....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 7:16:57 GMT -5
By your explanation of this DEC Officer, If I reported an environmental issue, I would want him to investigate it. Sounds like he is thorough and articulate... Like Wayne said, it's impossible to memorize every section of law, they are constantly changing, becoming more and more complex.... It's always upsetting when being questioned by law enforcement, especially when we are following the rules.... It's human nature... Remember that guy when some crook rips off your traps or fur in the future, then you will appreciate his thoroughness....
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Post by gamehunterdh on Mar 29, 2013 8:05:12 GMT -5
That's a good point red fox. Yeah you guys are right I've just not had any dealings with them This was in rensselear maybe some of you know him.
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Post by silverfox on Mar 29, 2013 8:15:59 GMT -5
a few more benfits of a thorough "check" by DEC is i would not knowingly violate any regs (not worth the potential loss of priviledges if just plain doing the right thing isnt enough of a reason) so maybe ive overlooked something that he points out so i welcome checks"; also word travels fast when DEC are out "patrolling" an area and that will discourage the "riff raff" and cause them to cease or move on, not to mention if your doing the right thing and get checked and establish a rapport with local DEC, it could score you some additional ground to trap as he may refer you to property owners who call with various issues as "a local guy that knows what hes doing and might be able to help you out", and as stated above, it IS human nature to resent "over the shoulder scrutinization" but theres a purpose for it, i am not or have ever worked law enforcement but its been my experience that too many folks have an "us against them attitude" and those are usually the same folks who walk a fine line with the regs or laws, the only "downfall" i can possibly come up with is it might take 30 mins to an hour of your time
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Post by gamehunterdh on Mar 29, 2013 8:24:07 GMT -5
Gotcha silver no I have no problems with the law never been in trouble and I'm in school to be a cop and my brother to be in the dec lol. Yeah this was about an hour and a half stop he said he was looking for people trying to trap fisher and otter. He wouldn't awnser any of my questions about the area which I'd never been in he just plain acted like he didn't hear me. Maybe cuz I'm a Long Islander lol
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Post by toepincher on Mar 29, 2013 10:01:37 GMT -5
I know both of the Renss. Co. guys. Both are very professional and very fair to deal with. If you were dealing with the younger fella he's only 2 1/2 years in and he regularly goes to the book to be sure. I have dealt with him on 4 wheeler access questions and if he's not sure he will make a call. I see him a an officer who does not want to make a miss take.
Both are great guys to deal with I have found!!!
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Post by silverfox on Mar 29, 2013 10:20:26 GMT -5
Gotcha silver no I have no problems with the law never been in trouble and I'm in school to be a cop and my brother to be in the dec lol. Yeah this was about an hour and a half stop he said he was looking for people trying to trap fisher and otter. He wouldn't awnser any of my questions about the area which I'd never been in he just plain acted like he didn't hear me. Maybe cuz I'm a Long Islander lol congrats and good luck to you and your brother (my son is currently in school for environmental enforcement as well) just trying to point out some positive aspects in reference to your experience with being checked
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Post by bobsamuelson on Mar 29, 2013 13:40:10 GMT -5
I had an issue with the local officer 2 summers ago when a neighbor kid released a beaver from a foot trap then took my traps. She wanted to cite me for trapping out of season because my name wasn't on the DEC issued permit! She didn't know the trapping laws and had to apologize to me the next day. The trapping part of what the DEC officers have to deal with is only a small part of their job. She was only doing her job as she didn't know anything about trapping permits for nuisance beaver. She was basing her response to what I was doing on her knowledge of nuisance deer permits! She learned something and hopefully she will be a better officer because of it! I was surprised to learn how little she knew about trapping, but if you spray her with pepper spray, she will take you down! (She is the instructor at the academy where she is sprayed with pepper spray, then she takes down and cuffs the 2 biggest candidates!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 15:20:06 GMT -5
Thats like going in for open heart surgery and the doc saying"WAIT A SECOND, I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY BOOK TO MAKE SURE IM DOING IT RIGHT" Comon, its their job, if they dont know the regs maybe they should study the book more. JMO.....
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Post by Itrapny on Mar 29, 2013 17:09:27 GMT -5
Put your money where your mouth is Joe....take the exam and get into the academy and then memorize 1000's of pages of hunting, trapping, fishing, EPA, law, OSHA and whatever else the DEC enforces you I will bow down before you.......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 17:19:16 GMT -5
Settle down wayne, i dont want to take the exam....... I DONT NEED TO.....
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Post by mole on Mar 29, 2013 17:30:04 GMT -5
In a court room a Lawyer uses the book. The D. A. uses the book. the judge uses the book. Why? Do they know the laws? Yes, they know the laws. They do not want to make a mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 17:58:37 GMT -5
In a court room a Lawyer uses the book. The D. A. uses the book. the judge uses the book. Why? Do they know the laws? Yes, they know the laws. They do not want to make a mistake. Mole i respect your reply, my brothernlaw is a D.A. in the county which we live in. And yes iv seen him looking through the ny law book, for cases that are out of the norm...... The poster was not breaking the law, and trapping is not out of the norm. Maybe the dec should edu. the officers more on trapping. Iy just sounded like to me that the officer had no edu. on trapping and/or did not like trapping.... Hence him digging through the book for a volation.
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Post by milkie62 on Mar 30, 2013 7:10:58 GMT -5
Gotcha silver no I have no problems with the law never been in trouble and I'm in school to be a cop and my brother to be in the dec lol. Yeah this was about an hour and a half stop he said he was looking for people trying to trap fisher and otter. He wouldn't awnser any of my questions about the area which I'd never been in he just plain acted like he didn't hear me. Maybe cuz I'm a Long Islander lol The one showed me a picture of a 220 leaning pole set for supposedly skunk he found in Feb.
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Post by tmc on Mar 30, 2013 8:01:22 GMT -5
mole: yes sir, and then they throw the book AT you, lol! silverfox: great point about the ECO's strategy of being tough for getting the word out that they're patrolling an area. It's helped us out in situations with poachers and trespassers more than any other single remedy.
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