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Post by uncledoug on Jun 13, 2012 18:08:11 GMT -5
I was told that floats using more than 1 trap are illegal here, I'm thinking they are confused with the, No cage traps capable of catching more than 1 Muskrat. Anyone know for sure?
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Post by walleyed on Jun 13, 2012 19:08:33 GMT -5
The law says (generally speaking)that you may not use a trap or device capable of taking more than 1 muskrat at a setting.
If you had a two trap float, then each trap can only take one muskrat at a time before it has to be re-set.
Even though they are each on the same float, each one is a separate device, apart from the other, and therefore IMO perfectly legal.
A colony trap capable of catching numerous muskrat "at a setting" would fall into this category, and therefore be considered illegal at this time.
walleyed
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Post by austinp on Jun 13, 2012 20:38:13 GMT -5
legal use of colony traps here in NY would be ok if new regulations were approved... wouldn't it walleyed? <grin>
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Post by walleyed on Jun 13, 2012 21:04:46 GMT -5
legal use of colony traps here in NY would be ok if new regulations were approved... wouldn't it walleyed? <grin> Yes, But the wheels of Both legislation, (and Regulation Change) grind very slowly. Patience. Right after Cable Restraints, and Mohawk Valley/Catskill Otter. walleyed
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Post by centro44 on Jun 13, 2012 23:19:35 GMT -5
Colony traps have no interest to me........don't see a need for them.......at least not the population we have around here
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Post by austinp on Jun 14, 2012 6:17:08 GMT -5
Colony traps have no interest to me........don't see a need for them.......at least not the population we have around here In which case you should opt not to use them if they become available to trappers in this state I'm personally in favor of any modern harvest tool such as colony traps or cable restraints or whatever else is out there for use. No one is going to wipe out fox or coyotes if snaring is legal, likewise no one is going to wipe out muskrats if colony traps are legal. Fox and/or muskrats could be wiped out thru further habitat degredation, but that's about it for overall population threats
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Post by twotrappers on Jun 14, 2012 7:53:55 GMT -5
legal use of colony traps here in NY would be ok if new regulations were approved... wouldn't it walleyed? <grin> Yes, But the wheels of legislation grind slowly. Patience. Right after Cable Restraints, and Mohawk Valley/Catskill Otter. walleyed That the "wheels of legislation grind slowly" is only another reason why natural resource issues shouldnt be decided there. Wildlife agencies need the flexibility to act make decisions in "real time" to reflect the current population status.
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Post by walleyed on Jun 14, 2012 9:12:56 GMT -5
Yes, But the wheels of legislation grind slowly. Patience. Right after Cable Restraints, and Mohawk Valley/Catskill Otter. walleyed That the "wheels of legislation grind slowly" is only another reason why natural resource issues shouldnt be decided there. Wildlife agencies need the flexibility to act make decisions in "real time" to reflect the current population status. X 2 AGREED
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Post by centro44 on Jun 14, 2012 13:22:06 GMT -5
I would love too be able to use snares.......colony traps no......I can set 2-3 conibears in a run and be just fine........alot of the places I trap I don't have runs to say so that really funnel them........they just go where they want.........and lets not bring in the Dakotas, two different states..........
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Post by Itrapny on Jun 14, 2012 14:40:57 GMT -5
Once again, you can't look at trapping methods (or regulations) on an individual basis or "what works for you" but rather on what the majority want or needs. Far too often individuals take a stance or a make a rash decision based on personal bias, belief or as a reaction to something without thinking of the long term effects or how it may affect the entire trapping community across the entire state. Once you get personally involved, whether in a leadership position or not, the big picture becomes much clearer and while your personal beliefs may not change, your stance should based upon the facts presented and the outcome as it will affect the majority.
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Post by uncledoug on Jun 14, 2012 18:48:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the help with this. The regulations I have been looking at are the Trapping Regulations on the NYSDEC web site. Is there more to the regs than what is on DEC web site?
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Post by Itrapny on Jun 14, 2012 19:55:07 GMT -5
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Post by uncledoug on Jun 14, 2012 20:13:58 GMT -5
Thank you for the link.
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Post by austinp on Jun 14, 2012 21:17:53 GMT -5
I would love too be able to use snares.......colony traps no......I can set 2-3 conibears in a run and be just fine........alot of the places I trap I don't have runs to say so that really funnel them........they just go where they want.........and lets not bring in the Dakotas, two different states.......... why would I bring up the Dakotas when wishing for colony trap use in NY? That is no more relevant to this thread than what size traps to use for wolves in Idaho if 2-3 bodygrip traps are fine for your use, then by all means use them if colony traps are legalized. but just because I have zero use for beaver snares in my life doesn't mean I'd nix the idea for everyone lastly, muskrats go wherever they want, all the time. I can assure you there are high-traffic "runs" in your area you cannot yet see
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Post by centro44 on Jun 14, 2012 21:51:29 GMT -5
I know a rat run when I see one.......I'm saying I can set runs with 3 traps and generally have 1 rat in the morning.......just don't have population where there are high traffic runs.........and a trap that will take more then one animal at a time.......ya that should help increase muskrat poullation......at least with a 110 I can control how many animals I take.........
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Post by nyerluvs2trap on Jun 14, 2012 23:14:03 GMT -5
I could see a use for them on my Mink line
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Post by austinp on Jun 15, 2012 5:13:55 GMT -5
I know a rat run when I see one.......I'm saying I can set runs with 3 traps and generally have 1 rat in the morning.......just don't have population where there are high traffic runs.........and a trap that will take more then one animal at a time.......ya that should help increase muskrat poullation......at least with a 110 I can control how many animals I take......... ok then. sounds good
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Post by davie6 on Jun 15, 2012 6:56:48 GMT -5
I know a rat run when I see one.......I'm saying I can set runs with 3 traps and generally have 1 rat in the morning.......just don't have population where there are high traffic runs.........and a trap that will take more then one animal at a time.......ya that should help increase muskrat poullation......at least with a 110 I can control how many animals I take......... If you wanted to increase the population, then you wouldn't trap them at all If colony traps were legal to use, it doesn't mean everybody is going to know how to use them, just like any other trap. I rarely water trap so I would have no use for colony traps but I don't see why other trappers shouldn't be allowed to use them.
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Post by centro44 on Jun 15, 2012 9:32:44 GMT -5
Because the ones that use and abuse them.............OK lets not trap them at all, how many nys trappers would go for that..........Austin do you have any pictures of these big catches you made?
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Post by Itrapny on Jun 15, 2012 9:46:47 GMT -5
The ones that abuse them are the same trappers (and I use that term loosly) that don't abide by the regulations now...so you punish the masses for the faults of the few? So let's just lower the speed limit to 10mph and to stop speeding....same difference
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Post by austinp on Jun 15, 2012 9:57:25 GMT -5
Because the ones that use and abuse them.............OK lets not trap them at all, how many nys trappers would go for that..........Austin do you have any pictures of these big catches you made? yes. I do
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Post by centro44 on Jun 15, 2012 10:10:57 GMT -5
Pm some to me would love to see
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Post by austinp on Jun 15, 2012 10:43:47 GMT -5
I've posted enough of them in this site. Look back in time a couple weeks ago... the prior muskrat thread has a few current ones from last season
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