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Post by nyfur on Sept 13, 2006 11:04:35 GMT -5
thinking about using disposable stakes for coyote trapping,any suggestions on which ones are the best???
Thanks,
Dirt Hole....
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Post by centro44 on Sept 13, 2006 13:58:24 GMT -5
berkshires work for about 2-3 coyote ,fox catches because they bend. duck bill work well and will last for a long time.
#1----duck bill
eric centro
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Post by trapperjohn on Sept 13, 2006 14:38:13 GMT -5
I make my own disposable stakes, I like them longer I do use the berkshires ends for a anchor. I use the longer for all animals for 2 years so far, just started trapping last year.
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Post by jimd on Sept 13, 2006 17:11:10 GMT -5
bullet stakes seem to be pretty popular. you dont have to worry about them bending like berkshires
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Post by bballou on Sept 13, 2006 17:13:36 GMT -5
Dirthole:
My recomindation would be berkshires-------- Yes they are light and bend------- but you are not changeing sets every day or week. I think you would be looking for a disposable that does not require any time to use-------- and believe me ------ any disposable that you put in the ground and have to insert the driver into it you are going to have trouble with---- TIME IS THE NAME OF THE GAME------ with the berkshires there is no waisted time----- drive a pilot hole insert the stake and you are on your way----- dirt dont get in the hole of the disposable and hang up the driver or any of those things that happens with disposables with a insert hole in them. AND THEY ARE CHEEP. To save money we buy them by the 1000. We have used them for years and cant find a disposable that is faster and does a better job day after day.
BILL
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Post by Itrapny on Sept 13, 2006 18:08:31 GMT -5
I have used the Heavy Duty Berkshires for the past 2 yeras and I have had great success with them. the only traps I have lost with them was to ATV's, not animals and I only use 12" - 15" cables on mine. I carry a clam shovel with me when I'm pulling and it work well for retrieiving them. If I can't them out, or I don't have my shovel I can cut the cable below ground level and I'm only out a few cents, well worth saving my back carrying re rod  I don't like the regular ones, they bend way to easy, but the HD ones works great. I have a driver I used last year and it was nice but a 3/8" rerod stake will work just as well. |
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Post by freak on Sept 15, 2006 13:53:58 GMT -5
have sued pretty much all of em. The regular berkshires are great if you aintr running 100s of sets in a year. But I had problems driving my driver through em and they bend up on retrieval. The duckbills are a bit better , but have broken them driving em in rocky soil and they stick on driver in clay soils.
The Iowas are real good besides that they soemtimes stick on driver , but if you wax your heads thuis dont happen as much. Plus they are reusable.
My personal favorite is the bullet (super) stakes.They drive in slaty ground and dont stick on drive. Retrieve well unless wedged in root or frozen ground. Drawback is cost. Best deal I could find on em this year was $1 a head.I make at least 500 sets a year and with losing maybe 20 % it adds up.
I am trying the pogso this year. Figured it out to be about 25 cents a stake with them. They hold great and are truly disposable at that cost.
A tip if reusing stakes from year to year would be to use 1/8 in cable on your iowas and bullet stakes. You wont have to change the cable for years that way.
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Post by jsevering on Sept 15, 2006 16:55:23 GMT -5
the only ones i have experience with are the Iowa, Iowa plugged end and the bullet stakes........
like jim said they can get expensive, I dont pull them, usually leave them in the ground and use the same anchor next time through the area, my working locations rarely change that much that i have to worry about it to any great extent and if there is a shift i just pound a new one in......
not to many working farms to worry about here and think if i made mention of how many times i hooked up to the same cable end and years of continuous use i managed to get out of some of them.......some would probably call me a liar....
the driver is gonna make or break you.... i like a good pipe t handle welded on to mine and one that the end accepts the angle of an open end iowa......
have no problems with the open end stakes, my last strike with the hammer while driving hits the end of the t handle and breaks the wedge of dirt or sand that was impacted...while i was driving, then i just give the t handle a twist or two before i pull the driver....usally not necessary but it lets you know if you cleared the wedge....
alot of people have problems with breaking the wedge and if they sold the right style driver to go with them it wouldnt be that big of a problem
plugged ends are no problem as long as you dont drive the plug out, which happens now and again... the bullets are the cats meow, but like jim had mentioned are costly..........jim
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Post by bballou on Sept 15, 2006 17:51:41 GMT -5
Jim:
The last time I checked I think I was paying about .25cents each for the berkshires-------- we buy the heads and put the cable on to the length we want---- the trick to any cable stake in ( my openion) is to drive a pilot hole first. BY the way Dave is comming up tonite. ( we are going to Zerby tomarrow) ----he wanted me to find you your own persional site.----- and I think I have DONE IT------ the site is called ---- KNOW MENOPAUS . COM---- hang in there buddy
BILL
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Post by jsevering on Sept 15, 2006 19:05:48 GMT -5
bill, agree with the pilot hole, usually drive that in first to make sure i can get a set in, lots of rocks to deal with...... was thinking about tring the OGorman spades, but heard its hard to get the thicker cable through the cable attachment , and some feel the attachment point should be closer to the front to get them to kick into place or set better...... guess mark zagger tried them out....... but every time i get a chance to ask him about them, i forget .... hope you and dave and all the others that are going.... have a great time at zerby...... live with three daughters and the wife, my personal site feels like it is "permanent pms.com" ...... no time for all that stuff that comes after, thank you very much  ....jim |
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Post by freak on Sept 15, 2006 21:33:00 GMT -5
Jim , I ran the Ogorman spears in Knasas last year with no problems. I ran them on my traps and snares. BUT I have heard tell that they were having a problem with them here in Pa. I tried them in yard and had 1 out of about4 pull up easy. Figured ground was softer than cropland after baking all season anyways. Will just set em before leaving though since I know that. But they drive smooth as silk and willdrive in slaty ground nicely. Just set em . They are tough to get 1/8 in too. But at that price a decent alternative in really hard ground.
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Post by jsevering on Sept 16, 2006 19:25:51 GMT -5
thanks for the info. jim........i have no problem setting the anchor at the set, sounds like i should of given them a try.....was real close to going that way this year...really like the look of the end of the driver....next year think im gonna try and give them a fair shake....jim
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Post by freak on Sept 16, 2006 21:04:35 GMT -5
I can tell you this. I have maybe 1 or 2 rebar stakes still laying around. If that tell you anything???I like being able to hook up the cables stakes to my traps before boxing em up for season. less stuff to worry about banging around in back of truck.
Tell Ed Ft Drum still looks might fine from here! Was kicking around idea of coming up to shoot a bear , but season is too close and too much yet to do.
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Post by jsevering on Sept 17, 2006 7:59:37 GMT -5
jim,
know that feeling of being behind the gun, im gonna tell ed that you want directions and a key to the cabin...... should get him going good.....jim
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Post by freak on Sept 17, 2006 13:04:36 GMT -5
LMAO , that will get him fired up! 10 dozen more new ones to adjust then the boil. Plenty of time. Just gotta find it.
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Post by walkonwater on Sept 17, 2006 13:45:36 GMT -5
I really like the duckbills...There fast and super light. Though they do require a pilot hole, they are IMHO much better than Bershires.
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Post by herm on Sept 19, 2006 16:10:39 GMT -5
I have used them,but when I think there is any chance that a coyote might be taken at a certain location I use crossed rerod.
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Post by Itrapny on Sept 19, 2006 16:21:39 GMT -5
After using them a few seasons now, I will never go back to re rod, even crossed. In my opinion there is no need. This is as close to having a coyote pull out a cable stake...  It had rained for the previous few days and the ground was soft and mushy and that 15" cable stake only came up about 5", there was still plenty to hold him there. I haven't had another 'yote budge once before or since. |
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Post by jimd on Sept 19, 2006 17:10:50 GMT -5
I caught a large coyote a couple years ago, using a cable stake in soil that was so soft I was able to push the stake in without hammering it in and it held perfectly. The cable moved about 4 or 5" but held strong. No more rebar for me.
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Post by bballou on Sept 23, 2006 10:10:10 GMT -5
Guys: I have probably used 90% of the disposables made today------ and all kinds of cross stake stuff. AND YOU KNOW WHAT?  I have never lost a coyote due to the FAULT of either one. ------- but like the rest of you I have my favorites --- I cant say anything about eithers holding POWER except they do the job I wanted them to do. Bill |
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I don't like the regular ones, they bend way to easy, but the HD ones works great. I have a driver I used last year and it was nice but a 3/8" rerod stake will work just as well.
....jim
