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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 13:34:49 GMT -5
Why do coyotes and all k9s kick back, or i guess kick sod on there turds. What are they trying to say.......?
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Post by barrington on May 14, 2012 13:48:17 GMT -5
I think its just another way of marking turf.
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Post by centro44 on May 14, 2012 13:54:09 GMT -5
bulldozerjoe-----very good point-----maybe when we put a turd lol at a scent post we should rough a touch of dirt up on it? ? you have a very good point i think
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Post by milkie62 on May 14, 2012 15:22:31 GMT -5
Why do coyotes and all k9s kick back, or i guess kick sod on there turds. What are they trying to say.......? What are they trying to say ?.........Maybe AAaahhhhh.......
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Post by barrington on May 14, 2012 16:01:45 GMT -5
besides domestic dog I have only noticed the kick back from coyotes and it happened where they urinated not craped. There are also the pad oders to consider,being scraped into the ground leaveing more of a lasting mark behind. Also I dont think they would kick dirt on the dung as they are often placed where others can easily find them.
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Post by ecgreen on May 14, 2012 17:00:20 GMT -5
besides domestic dog I have only noticed the kick back from coyotes and it happened where they urinated not craped. There are also the pad oders to consider,being scraped into the ground leaveing more of a lasting mark behind. Also I dont think they would kick dirt on the dung as they are often placed where others can easily find them. My dog kicks a lot when he urinates, but never when he defecates. He is about one step from feral too, and he often behaves like a coyote/wild dog.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 17:16:56 GMT -5
interesting, i had a black lab..... when he took a poo, he would walk while dropping his bombs. Then when he was done he would kick back. Never when he peed
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Post by ecgreen on May 15, 2012 6:26:08 GMT -5
Hmmm, that is kind of interesting. I may have to look into this a bit more.
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Post by ecgreen on May 15, 2012 6:35:11 GMT -5
Here are some results from a quick search. Maybe not all the most credible sources, but it seems that kicking dirt has multiple meanings.
Ceaser Milian on domestic dogs doing this:
"What can be concerning is when the dog that begins to kick back with his hind legs after defecating or urinating. This is what I call “spreading the word.” A dog has scent glands between his paw pads and it is thought that in this way he is spreading his scent even more. As with marking, I dislike and don’t allow this behavior. For me it is a sign of dominance, an indication that this dog wants to be leader of the pack, and sees himself as independent with a will of his own. I have seen this mostly with the northern breeds. Nearer to the wild dog genetically maybe?"
Primary Neural Substrates of Learning and Behavioral Change By Daniel L. Alkon: "In the Coyote, kicking dirt can be seen as a sign of disgust (paraphrase)"
A random hunting story I found: " ...(a) voice barked as I found fur in the scope and let the hammer fall on my single-shot .204. I missed, and the coyote made eye contact with me, kicking dirt in my face as it changed direction with the antelope in tow. The pair had looped in front of us quartering away when the coyote hit the nitrous oxide switch. “Kill him, Josh” escaped my lips without thought as I fumbled for another round."
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Post by pockets on May 15, 2012 15:10:10 GMT -5
My beagle only kicks back when defecating and not after urinating.
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Post by brushwolf on May 16, 2012 4:42:25 GMT -5
My beagle does the same pockets. Im guessing it a scent gland thing. Does create a visual also though.
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Post by clt on May 16, 2012 7:59:28 GMT -5
bulldozerjoe-----very good point-----maybe when we put a turd lol at a scent post we should rough a touch of dirt up on it? ? you have a very good point i think This is my favorite tool when trapping coyotes.I use it more than my shovel when I am putting in coyote sets. You mentioned roughing up the dirt.A deadly set is to bed a trap and blend it in,then using a scratcher make a v so that the trap is at the wide end of the V,I bring the "scratches" out along the jaw edges as guards with the pan right between the end of the V opening.I poke a hole at the point of the V with my driver and stuff a cotton ball with gland lure in the hole and plug it with grass.Then drizzle a little urine up and down each arm of the V.The whole set is about 14-16 inches long.Throw the stuff out of the trenches around a little and leave it looking messy.That is deadly on coyotes,especially in areas where they have been trapped for awhile.You can also make a 2 trap version,instead of a V do 2 straight lines I I with a trap at each end and poke the hole dead center for the gland lure, drizzle urine down each "scratch" the same as the V, keep the trap pans about 12" apart and use the scratches as jaw guides again.
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Post by minifoxer on May 16, 2012 21:31:19 GMT -5
CLT, Thanks a ton for posting what you did. I was really trying for a method to imitate that kicking response from K9's.
When I tried it, It never really looked right, but now with your post here on that set, I think I will try this a little more often. Doing it your method as described, do you firmly beleive that the imitation is good, and that the coyotes are thinking that its a Scratch Kick....or do you think that its the mere pressentation of gland and urine (set works like a flat set) is what is catching the coyotes?
May be a stupid question, bu I'm pretty interested in this set!!
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Post by clt on May 17, 2012 6:58:12 GMT -5
I think it is a combination of everything really,visual element with the scratches and the gland and urine for scent.The main purpose for the V or I I pattern is more to guide them for me,the focal point of the set is probably the gland lure.I always put in one of those sets within 15-20 yards of any baited set I put in,usually on the downwind side of the baited one.This is one of the few sets(other than blind or trail sets) that I make that I have first night catches with coyotes,most other sets seem like a minimum of 2 or 3 nights before they will catch.You don't have to make big trenches either for the scratches,just scratch in the v with something,a little tool like the one in my pic is good or a small hoe would work also but I like the tines better than a solid blade.
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Post by minifoxer on May 17, 2012 9:09:17 GMT -5
Thanks again CLT...I'll be sure to give your method a shot this coming season! Thanks again!
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Post by clt on May 17, 2012 17:32:38 GMT -5
You are welcome sir...
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Post by brushwolfe01 on May 27, 2012 18:10:18 GMT -5
My beagle only kicks back when defecating and not after urinating. The same with my plott hound.
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