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Post by rustytrap11 on Apr 25, 2012 9:03:11 GMT -5
Guess I'll get in on this one, yes your traps are dirty due to the fact you have more than enough knowledge and experience to know that a trap does not have to be totally clean and waxed to catch k9's. As mentioned can smell the wax on traps, does it matter absolutely not. All my traps get as some say dirty eventually, do I pull them or reset them. Used to pull them after each catch, what a waste of time and alot of extra work. Now just scour with dirt and back in it goes on the remake. How many times have you guys had a clean set next to a remake and it's the remake set that keeps on catching while the clean set sits there with nada. Problem is theres been way to much BS written about this topic over the years, by guys that trap 2 weeks, run 10-20 traps, catch a couple critters and now there experts. If they would of studied Bill Nelson, Herb Lenon or some of the other master trappers and their methods they would of had a different opinion. I agree totally that a dug up trap has much less to do with dirty traps than with the bedding of the trap, or the material used to bed the trap. Here I don't have much digging of traps until I switch to peat, if a coon works the set, it just has to dig in the peat. Pull up to a location and see traps flipped out of beds, still set, 98%% of the time coons are the culprits, bed with some waxed dirt guess whats in the traps the next day. On an occasion or 2 I have had clean traps dug up by a fox, who hasn't? my experience was it was always females that where digging, different type of set with proper bedding and she was caught. I have witnessed trappers that didn't even scour there traps much less do much to bed the trap yet these guys take 100's of critters. I don't think I even saw a dyed trap the entire day. Also know of trappers that don't wax a trap and take 100's of yotes yearly, Mark you know who I'm talking about with this one and its not you. All this being said, do I still dye traps yup, wax traps yup, because I want to not that I have to. Now if your still using calcium or salt I'd definetely be dying and waxing. And if your using either of these 2 than you've already contaminated the trap bed to begin with.
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Post by Zagman on Apr 25, 2012 9:12:42 GMT -5
Ironic that the this last dirty trap post comes from a guy named Rustytrap! LOL
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Post by ecgreen on Apr 25, 2012 9:29:23 GMT -5
Ironic that the this last dirty trap post comes from a guy named Rustytrap! LOL MZ ;D Even so, great post rusty.
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Post by traps82 on Apr 25, 2012 9:35:28 GMT -5
Think about a perfectly clean WAXED trap....heck, I can smell the wax on it..... "I must admit, I love it that without any comment from me on this thread initially, I am now known to be running around the country setting dirty traps!" MZ Kinda like a Tman thread.... ;D
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Post by trappermac on Apr 25, 2012 9:46:41 GMT -5
They're dirty, and they're Dukes
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Post by ecgreen on Apr 25, 2012 9:50:23 GMT -5
Think about a perfectly clean WAXED trap....heck, I can smell the wax on it..... I must admit, I love it that without any comment from me on this thread initially, I am now known to be running around the country setting dirty traps! MZ I have seen your demos....you do seem a bit crusty and dirty lol. My god, you where on the ground sniffing your own dirthole!
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Post by barrington on Apr 25, 2012 9:58:05 GMT -5
I boil in water or logwood,never found a need for anything stronger to get them clean and black.I wax and I change my wax new every year.I sell off traps that have taken skunks because without some type of cleaning I can smell a skunk trap the minute it hits the wax bucket. I will admit in the fur bust I didnt take the time to prep traps every season BUT I feel my catch suffered because of it.I think k-9 are more numerous in my area right now than they have ever been in my lifetime and plenty are taken with rusty traps but why risk it? I take a great deal of pride in my outdoor tools and traps and dye and wax is key to trap life IMO. I used a strip type product several years ago and found that it was tough to get the residue off the traps so its NO CLEANERS for me.
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Post by austinp on Apr 25, 2012 11:30:59 GMT -5
Think about a perfectly clean WAXED trap....heck, I can smell the wax on it..... I must admit, I love it that without any comment from me on this thread initially, I am now known to be running around the country setting dirty traps! MZ I have seen your demos....you do seem a bit crusty and dirty lol. My god, you where on the ground sniffing your own dirthole! I heard somewhere that zagman is a crusty, dirty old man. Not sure how that got started...
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Post by Zagman on Apr 25, 2012 11:47:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 12:22:55 GMT -5
I have seen your demos....you do seem a bit crusty and dirty lol. My god, you where on the ground sniffing your own dirthole! I heard somewhere that zagman is a crusty, dirty old man. Not sure how that got started... I heard he's caught more coyotes in one week then you have lifetime, and you wrote a book! Not sure were I heard that?
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Post by austinp on Apr 25, 2012 12:59:11 GMT -5
I heard somewhere that zagman is a crusty, dirty old man. Not sure how that got started... I heard he's caught more coyotes in one week then you have lifetime, and you wrote a book! Not sure were I heard that? well fireflyguy, at the time I wrote that book back in the mid 1990s... roughly SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO my coyote catch was somewhere north of fifty. considering there were maybe two other books on the market specific to eastern coyotes and zero VHS tapes (DVDs and internet had not become mainstream yet) there wasn't much to compare with then. remember, there were no trapping websites or message boards at that time. no cellphones texting, no facebook, no youtube... nothing. all were at least still a decade or more from being invented. so it was that aged book and a couple of others, or magazine articles for written material. but I've told you that many, many times in two public message boards now. I won't be repeating myself again. ** fwiw, i also wrote books on trapping coon and muskrats which the bigger dealers still tell me remain amongst ther best sellers to this very day. whatever. if you happened to spend $12 way back then and feel cheated, look me up in person and I'll pull a twenty out of my wallet to square us up. how's that sound to you?
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Post by walleyed on Apr 25, 2012 13:20:13 GMT -5
See all the RUCKUS you've started ECGREEN-Sean.
All this expert commentary weighing in, and yet, I'm still going to continue to do what I've been doing since the early seventies when I had a only a dozen small foothold traps.
Clean/Dye/Wax.
I still have most of them too, and they are still all in pretty good shape.
S. Stanley Hawbaker certainly didn't steer me wrong. LOL
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Post by austinp on Apr 25, 2012 13:22:46 GMT -5
I'll probably keep boiling in sumacs and waxing... because I've done that since I was ten. It took me four years to catch my first fox, I was totally convinced by the material back then in the 1970s that fox were some kind of super-wary, mystical creatures. We've come a long way in education since then
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Post by Trapper Jack on Apr 25, 2012 13:54:54 GMT -5
All of you sound like a bunch of old women at a pie making contest. They make pies and all use different ingredients for the same result. The pies are still great. ;D ;D
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Post by centro44 on Apr 25, 2012 15:08:31 GMT -5
love the post about "hes caught more in one week then you have in a life time" ;D.......but what about the guys who catch more then what he does in a week and dont speak a word of it and dont take pictures everyday.......just thought if we had a game going i would throw in some in put........
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Post by trappermac on Apr 25, 2012 15:28:18 GMT -5
Just love when a thread degrades on here. Myself, I don't know Austin because I don't go over to the childrens forum, but I see nothing he has posted on here in this thread that deserves what a couple people are giving him. Unless I'm reading something wrong here. That stuff should stay over in the other forum where it's commonplace.
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Post by austinp on Apr 25, 2012 15:52:33 GMT -5
I know for a fact that zagman found humor in my humorous post because we've visited elsewhere before. Who catches what, where, how many and how long ago is meaningless to me. Let's enjoy ourselves afield, relish the time spent out there and count our blessings along the way. So we're all perfectly clear: the next time I get a chance to see a zagman demo, I'll be sure to have good seating before he begins and I won't get up until the last question is answered. I have the utmost respect for his feats, I've told him that numerous times before and I know that he knows that already. Now on with our regularly scheduled programming in this thread
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Post by walleyed on Apr 25, 2012 16:20:27 GMT -5
I know for a fact that zagman found humor in my humorous post because we've visited elsewhere before. Who catches what, where, how many and how long ago is meaningless to me. Let's enjoy ourselves afield, relish the time spent out there and count our blessings along the way. So we're all perfectly clear: the next time I get a chance to see a zagman demo, I'll be sure to have good seating before he begins and I won't get up until the last question is answered. I have the utmost respect for his feats, I've told him that numerous times before and I know that he knows that already. Now on with our regularly scheduled programming in this thread PRESSURE WASH/LYE/BOIL/DYE/WAX !!!! Forever !!!! LOL walleyed
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Post by ecgreen on Apr 25, 2012 17:31:23 GMT -5
Mission accomplished...
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Post by centro44 on Apr 25, 2012 18:25:03 GMT -5
do what you feel is right but walleyed is right!!!!!!!!!
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Post by scott on Apr 25, 2012 19:04:13 GMT -5
Excellent and interesting thread. One interesting thing to note is that not one contributor suggested using fuel based cold dip. I know one guy that I have talked to a lot about the subject makes nice catches each year on coyotes with dipped traps. He recently told me he hit a 100 this past season, and he works full time. Granted he must have a lot of coyotes. LOL
I told Zagman via private mail last year a good friend of mine makes very decent canine catches each year using cold dip. (At least good by Maine standards) Zagman suggested he was probably misses coyotes, but he added if he is happy doing what he is doing he has a good attitude. I like Mark's attitude.
I don't catch enough coyotes in any given season to make a real test. I have caught them in traps cold dipped, and with traditional methods.
Great thread guys and thanks to all for contributing.
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Post by austinp on Apr 25, 2012 19:48:25 GMT -5
Excellent and interesting thread. One interesting thing to note is that not one contributor suggested using fuel based cold dip. I know one guy that I have talked to a lot about the subject makes nice catches each year on coyotes with dipped traps. He recently told me he hit a 100 this past season, and he works full time. Granted he must have a lot of coyotes. LOL I told Zagman via private mail last year a good friend of mine makes very decent canine catches each year using cold dip. (At least good by Maine standards) Zagman suggested he was probably misses coyotes, but he added if he is happy doing what he is doing he has a good attitude. I like Mark's attitude. I don't catch enough coyotes in any given season to make a real test. I have caught them in traps cold dipped, and with traditional methods. Great thread guys and thanks to all for contributing. Scott I have caught a lot of incidental fox in coon sets that were speed dipped... and one year I used speed-dipped #2 coils in the winter because I had no waxed canine traps. I believe... #1: it is important to use coleman fuel or other white gas, and thin the solution two or three times suggested directions. In other words, if a can calls for a gallon of fuel, dilute with two gallons instead. #2: dip two or three thin layers, one at a time and dried in between rather than one big glop dipped. shake the traps vigorously after dipping to clear the inner coilsprings from puddles and runs. thin layer dried is key #3: do this in June or July when the first hot, dry, low humid days permit. Then let the traps air out and harden all summer long. processed like that, those traps have less odor than my sumac dyed and waxed. as Mark pointed out... wax has a noticeable odor of its own, you can smell it from several feet away while handling the trap.
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Post by Itrapny on Apr 25, 2012 19:52:06 GMT -5
Being a purist, I prefer wax & dye...maybe I enjoy the process even more because downing a few cold ones watching the fire as the traps are boiling on a warm night is nice ;D I've tried cold dips and my K9 catch wasn't any different, BUT...I don't like how the traps feel and taking that stuff back off is terrible
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Post by centro44 on Apr 25, 2012 20:23:55 GMT -5
ive had good luck with log wood......im going to try sumac this year just to try it and say i did it......never know might me a life changing experience
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 20:34:07 GMT -5
One thing no one is mentioned which carries alot of weight in how one prepares their traps is how many traps are you cleaning?
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