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Post by Rick on Mar 16, 2006 6:31:10 GMT -5
Flat sets...for me...are lured more subtly, and less likely to get an aggressive response....the sniff and go if you will. I want his foot on the pan as soon as his nose goes to the attractor. I can visualize the trap placement for a fox. But if I make adjustments to my trap placement because of the "possibility" of a coyote showing up....I may cost myself either. Goes back to me "splitting the difference" on dirthole trap placement years ago. I think the dirthole set is more "forgiving" in regards to trap placement, and the flat set needs to be more target specific.
Let me know if that makes any sense....I just got up.
Rick.
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Post by jsevering on Mar 16, 2006 7:02:27 GMT -5
it makes sence rick, went through the same thought process when the coyotes first hit our area.....
kinda developed into using three focal points on a flat spread out over 18 inches more or less...... trap set off the giude and focal point midway between the three kinda like this.............
............x................. edge................x....... o X
I use a low hard edge with poke holes and post type feature off the trap in the middle, guess most would call it a walk through type flat set.......dont really care what its called........ when im half way certain i got foxes and coyotes working the same area its pretty much my go to type flat.........dont know if the canines like it any better but.....I do. think I get more foot movement and right off the post feature seems to be the sweet spot for me.....jim
the lower o and x are suppose to be under the word edge, computer wont let it stick there when I post......sorry ......jim
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Post by Rick on Mar 16, 2006 16:55:08 GMT -5
I get it Jim.
I use some similar type stuff, and variations of it. It's what I meant when I said I use alot of what I call flat sets, that someone else might call something else.
But when I make a flat set, it's usually a back-up to a dirthole.....which will be louder, and more visual. The flat set is usually inconspicuous, and subtle.....lured with gland lure,and or pee. Sometimes just a nice turd as the main focal point. Not the kind of stuff that ellicits an aggressive response. I really feel like I want to grab him on his first step into it.
Always makes me smile to see one backfooted in this set.....'cause you just KNOW I missed him.....and I got lucky.
Rick.
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Post by jsevering on Mar 16, 2006 20:48:32 GMT -5
figured maybe those were the type flats you were referring to in your previous post.......
kinda hard with all the variations of set types for anyone to give a definite anything when it comes to actual trap placement and all that does go into it.......
agree with the lucky feeling with back leg catches.
figured some of the other guys would of jump in with us on guiding the feet, body, setting the approach, or the set itself...... lure placements below ground, at ground and alittle higher up, ect....... in regard to placement and guiding.......
I know you all have your preferred methods over the years and I have mine along with rick, mike, and the others and who is to say anyone is wrong......just find it ironic only a few will even part way open up on this board.......is it me or do you guys feel the same way......jim
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Post by bballou on Mar 17, 2006 6:40:06 GMT -5
Hi Trappers: I would like to join you on this topic,BUT I am tied up with the N.Y. flat tail and the muskrat at the present time. 16 + hr. days are a little long for this old guy. Set -----check-----skin ----and board are the words of the day. Hopeing for a slow day but I love it like it is. Iam HI most of the time. The fur we are getting is long and dark and the leather is white. Hope to join in soon. God bless Bill B.
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Post by Rick on Mar 17, 2006 16:41:23 GMT -5
Hey Jim, think it's because most of the readership lives within 300 miles of Broadus MT.?
Rick.
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Post by jsevering on Mar 17, 2006 21:11:45 GMT -5
might be rick ;D.....jim
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Post by Itrapny on Mar 17, 2006 21:20:35 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mole on Mar 29, 2006 5:06:21 GMT -5
Sorry but I am a little confused here. Woulld someone explain this multiple focal points idea to me a little better. Thanks Ed
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Post by jsevering on Mar 29, 2006 6:42:01 GMT -5
the 300 miles of broadus mt. was the reason for my focal point, although the auther of the 300 mile sales pitch is probably one of top coyote trappers out there, the sales pitch of 300 mile radius= 600 miles across probably got more trappers to put their paw on the pan than any other.......... smart man..... good sales pitch......top quality......recognizes his mentors through the years and gives them credit......never read his book but got my toes pinched once or twice using his lures, baits and equip..... took me awhile to center my paw....... but had no complaints when I did.....jim
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