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Post by dereka on Feb 2, 2016 23:45:40 GMT -5
I use MB550's for coyotes and fox and wanted to see what else was out there for curiosities sake. So, I picked up a Montgomery #2 Dogless, Bridger #2 Dogless Modified, and 650 IL/OL.
Here are my honest first impressions I thought I'd share for anyone interested in these traps. Remember, I've only had the MB550's to compare them to.
The Monty is the worst trap I've ever bought. Cheaply made, thin metal, weak springs, absolute nightmare to tune. Comes with twin-loop chain and mediocre swivels. The trap was a waste of money. I used a file to get the pan tension I wanted. After over an hour of trying to get the pan to lay flat I got it to where it's actually useable. Still doesn't inspire confidence in me to use on coyote.
The 650 is awesome. Built like a tank and easy to adjust pan tension. No other tuning needed as of now. Going to keep an eye on the pan tension as I have read about inconsistency problems.
Bridger is surprisingly better than I anticipated. Heavy duty. Replaced the #2 chain with #3 and crunch proof swivels. Pan sits slightly high at one end but I probably won't mess with it. Easy to adjust pan tension.
If I knew how to weld I would have got #3 size traps. Next one I want to try out is the new No BS Lures Extreme K9 Traps. Looking forward to people's reviews on them.
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Post by peltseeker on Feb 3, 2016 6:33:36 GMT -5
I too have been investigating new traps and purchased six new bridger # 2 and #3... They all have been JC connor modified base plated and laminated and four coiled.... These traps have a snap so fast its actually scary ... This dozen was a high price tag but with the misses and pull outs i have had this year i think the investment will be well spent.....I only wish i had them last october lol
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Post by beaverblaster on Feb 5, 2016 12:10:23 GMT -5
Peltseeker there was a guy on here that was posting about the mb 550's being a good trap but you shot him down saying he didn't know what he was talking about and yotes are not monsterous overly strong animals but i think you might of learned a little this season about having good traps you get what you pay for.
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Post by milkie62 on Feb 5, 2016 19:17:19 GMT -5
Hope them #3 Bridgers peltseeker bought are for beaver or are IL since if I recall #3 Bridger are over 5 3/4" inside spread.
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Post by peltseeker on Feb 6, 2016 11:29:08 GMT -5
Yes they are inside laminated with paws i pans and the whole ball of wax lol and the thread about the MBs is correct but i didnt get them for the sake of a coyote destroying my traps i got them for the speed and large pan and bigger sweet spot..the number two bridgers have outside lams and the number threes have inside lams..the pull outs i have gotten this year seem to me to be from the paw hitting the side of the pan and the trap not hitting high enough on the foot.catch circles at these pull outs were small if at all so it was a quick escape and education for the coyote..but lesson learned for me too...they coyotes and bobs i did catch were all held fine in the 1.75s with only a couple bent dogs and pans but misses and Houdinis are a real disappointment...
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Post by newtrapper1 on Feb 6, 2016 18:57:38 GMT -5
I have to say I just got 3 of those KO K9 traps from NO BS Lures . It is the best built trap I have ever seen . He will put inside lams in so it is NY legal . The pan is the size of a cookie sheet and it is all top of the line steel and hardware . It weighs 4 pounds if that tells you how bad a$$ it is .The best part it was only 20 bucks a trap . By the way the pan sits level below both jaws .I will post some pics later or tomorrow. This trap would eat any other NY legal trap I know of . Google it and you will find some good pics . The guys name is Kendall phone # 641 228 0050 he will have them out to you in no time .
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Post by bobwhite on Feb 6, 2016 21:01:59 GMT -5
I have had 4 yotes chew and pop springs off 1.75 bridgers they are a good Fox trap though
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Post by peltseeker on Feb 6, 2016 21:44:57 GMT -5
The KO only comes in a 1.5
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Post by REDNECK on Feb 6, 2016 22:53:47 GMT -5
Not any more they came out with a k9 trap I think it's a #2 or 1 3/4
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Post by nightstalker1 on Feb 7, 2016 7:58:56 GMT -5
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Post by richg072 on Feb 7, 2016 8:49:07 GMT -5
Hey Tom. What was the ultimate outcome of the KB's, were they bought out or are they never being made again? Very curious
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Post by nightstalker1 on Feb 7, 2016 9:28:42 GMT -5
Kurt is still living in Fort Plain
Word is he just got burnt out and needed a break
Talking to one of his good friends....he believes the KB trap line will return some day bigger and better
Nothing being manufactured right now...KB's, CDR's, accessories
Ernie Mosier is still selling his KB stabilizers though
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Post by REDNECK on Feb 7, 2016 20:09:58 GMT -5
Thank good to know about the stabilizers
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Post by goose0429 on Sept 16, 2018 7:11:51 GMT -5
I'm not 100% positive but in my reading and understanding of the way jaw spread is measured is from inside of the jaw to inside of the jaw, it doesn't matter if it is laminated or not. It is still jaw to jaw. Is this not correct. I bought some MB650 inside and outside lam. and had a Game Warden tell me that they were illegal.
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Post by Itrapny on Sept 16, 2018 7:24:14 GMT -5
Inside laminations can be used to make an oversized trap legal in NY, states that in the regulations. Unfortunatly the DEC officer you spoke with was misinformed
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tomsnare
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Post by tomsnare on Sept 16, 2018 11:42:54 GMT -5
Having moved to the west where many good trappers want as large a trap as is legal, i've used the KB almost exclusively--5.5 inch jaw spread--- have rarely caught an animal by the toes with the exception of lions---- so I will offer an opinion as to what I like in a trap dogless with the trap built so I can adjust the pan to almost ZERO tension----a shock spring----a pan that doesn't fill the space in between the jaws---you should be able to force the animal to put its foot where it counts---jaws that won't pop out---and you should be able to set the trap across your knee---How will the rancher release his dog if they need a trap setter!? This is what I want---there are a lot of traps to choose from ---Choose carefully the animals will tell you how you've done!
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Post by trappermac on Sept 16, 2018 19:41:56 GMT -5
[quote author=" tomsnare" source="/post/201869/thread" timestamp="1537116174"1537116174-and you should be able to set the trap across your knee---How will the rancher release his dog if they need a trap setter!? [/quote] Excellent point Tom.
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Post by goose0429 on Sept 21, 2018 12:51:18 GMT -5
I use MB550's for coyotes and fox and wanted to see what else was out there for curiosities sake. So, I picked up a Montgomery #2 Dogless, Bridger #2 Dogless Modified, and 650 IL/OL. Here are my honest first impressions I thought I'd share for anyone interested in these traps. Remember, I've only had the MB550's to compare them to. The Monty is the worst trap I've ever bought. Cheaply made, thin metal, weak springs, absolute nightmare to tune. Comes with twin-loop chain and mediocre swivels. The trap was a waste of money. I used a file to get the pan tension I wanted. After over an hour of trying to get the pan to lay flat I got it to where it's actually useable. Still doesn't inspire confidence in me to use on coyote. The 650 is awesome. Built like a tank and easy to adjust pan tension. No other tuning needed as of now. Going to keep an eye on the pan tension as I have read about inconsistency problems. Bridger is surprisingly better than I anticipated. Heavy duty. Replaced the #2 chain with #3 and crunch proof swivels. Pan sits slightly high at one end but I probably won't mess with it. Easy to adjust pan tension. If I knew how to weld I would have got #3 size traps. Next one I want to try out is the new No BS Lures Extreme K9 Traps. Looking forward to people's reviews on them.
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Post by goose0429 on Sept 21, 2018 13:03:51 GMT -5
Inside laminations can be used to make an oversized trap legal in NY, states that in the regulations. Unfortunatly the DEC officer you spoke with was misinformed I just re read the regs. for measuring jaw spread and it states it is to be measured from inside distance from the jaws. the addition of one or more bars to the inside does not change the way the traps are measured. Am I misunderstanding something here. Not trying to argue a point, just don't know if I'm missing something. Just started trapping again after 20 or so years and thought I was making a good investment with the MB650 inside/outside lams. only to be told I couldn't use them. and this did not come from a rookie encon officer.
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valleytrapper
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Post by valleytrapper on Sept 21, 2018 13:51:27 GMT -5
How to measure a trap jaw spread is always debated here, yet if you READ the Trapping Guide on page 59 COMPLETELY you will see that body grip traps and foothold traps are measured differently. On body grip traps the measurement is the inside distance between the outer frames of the trap, and the addition of one or more bars to the inside will not change the measurement. Foothold traps are measured to the inside distance of the jaws, and if the trap has inside laminations or double jaws, then the measurement is between the inside of those additions. As for the Econ officer, I always have the currant copy of the trapping guide with me, just for times when there may be a question of anything the guide may clarify. Trap measuring, trigger regulations, and regulations for body grips on land are clearly diagramed for those who can't or have trouble reading.
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