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Post by realcountryboy on May 20, 2015 4:11:38 GMT -5
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austinp
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the next fur season is never far from our minds :)
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Post by austinp on May 20, 2015 5:44:47 GMT -5
"this proposal will allow hunters to only take antlerless deer during the first 15 days of the early/regular bow season and during all of the late bow and muzzleloader seasons in the areas listed above..."
If I read that correctly, it should say will limit = restrict hunters to does and fawns only from Oct 1st thru 15th archery and the entire late season too.
Between the new no-picture fishing regulations, the entire fisher fiasco, the on-going otter saga, the outright stupid #330 regs and now this? My attitude has quickly become one of NYS DEC officials can suck it, most of us will just go on and do our own thing regardless.
NYSDEC has become the outright laughingstock of any state DNR in the country over that retarded fish pictures regulation. People around the web in other states cannot believe their eyes when they read that outright ridiculous mess.
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Post by realcountryboy on May 20, 2015 6:40:00 GMT -5
Austin I am with you on all of this, it also says during the muzzle loader season in December we would also be restricted to antlerless deer. All this is going to do is keep more people out of the woods because they won't spend the money on a liscense for a shortened chance at an antlered deer. I don't understand how there minds work, this will backfire and deer populations will continue to increase in the southern zone and they will continue to twist it into more regulations.
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austinp
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Post by austinp on May 20, 2015 6:52:44 GMT -5
I work hard to fill all of my antlerless tags each season... but I'll be damned if anyone is going to tell me I cannot take a big mature buck in the same season when I'm out there. Same with 1,000s of other NYS hunters from border to border. When we hunt deer, we will hunt deer period and don't care about anything else.
As for the need to harvest more antlerless deer in particular? The DEC are in denial about the real issue here: lack of access to sufficient land. There is so much posted = zero trespassing acreage out there that the deer herd quickly learns where these soft spots are to avoid pressure.
For example, you can ride around Hi-Tor and Honeoye Lake state WMAs right now any evening and count hundreds, I do mean hundreds of deer in concentrated areas. But guess what... during the too-long firearms those deer are NOT in the borders of those state WMAs... they are outside the public lands on tightly posted properties.
DEC can print DMPs and mandate this or that until they're blue in the face but it's all a waste of time. If hunters cannot access the majority of deer herd, no harvest can result. Plain and simple. The DEC officials either have their heads up their arses in denial, or are all urban yuppies who have never spent time in the woods personally. It's either one or the other, no third option exists.
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Post by rufus on May 20, 2015 7:00:48 GMT -5
This is a very calculated move on DEC's part, they want a muzzle loading season in early archery. So after the archers don't kill the anterless deer they want,they have the results they want to put a muzzle loading season early archery and you can just about forget about killing a mature buck after that, along with the youth gun season, unless you own enough land to keep the guns at bay. Bowhunting is my favorite way to hunt and DEC is doing everything they can to ruin it in this state.
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austinp
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Post by austinp on May 20, 2015 9:10:01 GMT -5
I'm sick of repeating myself for years on end about how inept our DEC is when it comes to deer management. They are so off-track from effectiveness now, it's a joke.
Most of the acreage in over-populated areas is off-limits to access and I'm not talking about deer leases. Most of the acreage is either small private blocks or big farms where for whatever reasons the owners don't want anyone hunting there. So the ONLY real effective approach is a short firearms season, concentrate the hunting pressure in narrow windows BEFORE the deer get conditioned to avoiding pressure. Force the masses of firearms hunters out there all at once for max potential effectiveness.
As for the blackpowder season, archery season, etc they have minimal impact on deer harvest regardless. Why the DEC wants to screw up archery season with the retarded concept of any type firearms weapon inserted is beyond anyone with a smattering of understanding. There is zero valid defense of any such proposal, period end of story. Pure retardedness.
Go ahead and permit crossguns for all of archery season, heck I'll buy a Mission model and use it myself. But for the love of God quit screwing up the southern zone deer seasons any worse than they are already screwed as is it.
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Post by SawmillCreek on May 20, 2015 10:10:22 GMT -5
Just going to continue to do my thing as is. Im in 9R, our deer herd already sucks with the exception of some pockets of higher population. I'll buy some 280's, set the 330's I already have, and catch mine and my daughter's fisher, and fill my freezer with venison. Just keep passing new regulations because eventually people wont even read them anymore.
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austinp
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Post by austinp on May 20, 2015 21:15:35 GMT -5
it's extremely frustrating and quite frankly a bit frightening to watch all these regulations erode our rights steadily and consistently. NYS trappers and sportsmen are not winning anything... we are losing ground from all directions. Something has to be done to change this, turn it all around. We desperately need a more effective working relationship with state legislators first and DEC officials as well. The direction all of these new regulations are heading is one way and it's unfortunately the wrong way at that.
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Post by chappy on May 21, 2015 7:49:49 GMT -5
New York is one of the most liberal states in the nation. The fact that sportsman have been able to avoid this nonsense for as long as they have is a miracle. If New York had initiative and referendum like some other states we would have lost trapping long ago. Fortunately our politicians are too power greedy to give that up. Now it's all catching up and the majority of this state could give a nuts less if you hunt or trap!!
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Post by tmc on May 21, 2015 11:09:20 GMT -5
To answer the OP's question, "When will this BS end?," well that's a bit complicated to answer... From the State's standpoint? The answer is perhaps the easiest of them all: Never. Really plain and so very simple. Never. Absolutely never. From your standpoint and mine? Well, I suppose that's the most difficult to answer: It depends... 1) When you die; or 2) When you move out of this HUB (Head Up Butt) State; or 3) When you've smoked far too much dope for far too long and then you finally see how sensible THEY really are and how nuts-o all of US are; or 4) When the true miracle happens and they ALL get voted out and/or lose their appointed positions and are replaced with sensible people; or - .... heck, I don't know anymore. What do you want from me, I told you it was a tough one to answer.
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Post by proratman on May 21, 2015 16:55:15 GMT -5
I have seen in some areas that get hunted so hard that alot of the deer move into town during the gun season!
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Post by realcountryboy on May 21, 2015 19:58:55 GMT -5
You know, I have read and reread the proposed regs about a dozen times and I still have absolutely no idea how they believe this will work. I agree with many of you on how, this state is ever so slowly eroding away sportsmans rights in what one can only assume is an end goal of completely doing away with the outdoor sports we all love.
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Post by slyfox74 on May 22, 2015 7:27:24 GMT -5
you assume correctly countryboy. With the exception of deer hunting and possibly duck hunting, the state would love nothing more than to not have to deal with us "woods" people at all.
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Post by REDNECK on May 22, 2015 8:27:37 GMT -5
Some day when they see it dont work and they failed they will still say it was the right thing todo or it ffailed do to the hunters or the money was not there this state is going to hell in a hand bag hope theres going to be some things left to show my kids how daddy did it not go see things in a zoo or every thing is dead do to mange cars and so on asinine u ask me I like having my bow to get out early and not have to wear orange in the tree guess its time to rip out the pumpkin suite again not saying gun hunters are bad but man if its not broke dont fix it state keep your dam hands out of the cookie jar
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Post by jeckman on May 22, 2015 8:37:22 GMT -5
I was shocked when NY dropped its non res hunting licences and dropped them a good bit. Made me run up a lot quicker than before...
Wish they'd drop non res trapping licences a good bit more. Takes a a good part of the fun out when you trap and half the earnings was just for the license....
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