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Post by walleyed on Feb 27, 2013 10:25:13 GMT -5
Call Your senator and assemblymen regarding Cuomo's plan to eliminate the trapping License.
I just spent 5 minutes with Senator Patty Richie's staffer explaining the negative impact eliminating the Trapping License would have on Trapping in NYS.
Time to defeat this bad proposal by the Governor is running Out.
Take the time to Call today.
express your Views in a mannerly, logical, and concise way.
Get your view point to your reps today.
Time is running out
Patty Richie's: Jefferson County/Watertown Office: (315) 782-3418
Oswego County/ Oswego Office: (315) 342-2057
St. Lawrence Co./Ogdensburg Office: (315) 393-3024
Make the call. It's important.
walleyed
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Post by walleyed on Feb 27, 2013 11:29:09 GMT -5
The whole license scheme is a big mistake. The same sportsmans groups keep bringing us harmful policies. I am starting to wonder about the CFAB and the NYSCC, as both have taken stances in recent years that have been absolutely Mind-boggling. I just know that something about this whole extravaganza stinks to high heaven. Once Again , Much like the SAFE act, this is being rammed through without really being exposed to the light of day. None of the Liaison staffers from Senaor Pattie Richie or Assemblyman "Addy-Jane" Russell's Offices knew ANYTHING about the proposal to ELIMINATE the Trapping License although A.J.R. counts herself as a "Friend of Trappers" as she came to speak at our Spring NYSTA Meeting a few years ago. But Then again, she also voted in Favor of the SAFE Act. If Our Reps in the Legislature currently know absolutely nothing about the plan for ELIMINATION of the Trapping License, That does not bode/speak very well for Our Open Lines of Communication with Our Representatives. They APPEAR to be totally UNINFORMED on this one !!! It's scary !!! We'd better pay BIG attention to this while we still have the Chance. Once again, TIME is Running OUT !!! Individual Trappers: CALL your state reps in Albany, NOW PLEASE !!! walleyed
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Post by walleyed on Feb 27, 2013 13:01:31 GMT -5
You need to include the FWMB with the other two groups. Something is rotten you say? NY sequesters lifetime license revenue and diverts it away from conservation to loans and investments.IMO sequestering one class of sporting licence revenue is diverting funds or sweeping, which forfiets eligibility for federal sport fish and wildlife restoration funds. It is also dishonest a best and fraud at worst because the amount of money a state is eligibile for through this program factors in how many licenses it has sold the previous five years. For Years, DEC leadership has come hat in hand to the State License Buying Public Sportsman Asking for More Revenue with which to Run the Agency and promising that these funds would NEVER be mis-appropriated towards other agendas. Once Again though, Politicians have Lied to Us. When this fraudulent Behavior disrupts a Federal Stream of Revenue Like Pittman-Robertson or Dingell-Johnson Acts in addition to State License Revenues upon Which the DEC depends to operate in solvency, It becomes Criminal Behavior. Taxpayers, and especially Sporting License-Buying, Taxpaying Outdoorsman are getting to the end of Our Ropes. walleyed
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Post by papabear on Feb 27, 2013 17:08:31 GMT -5
Dear Friends, Albany, Greene, Montgomery, Schenectady, Ulster counties; Senator Cecilia Traczyk 518-455-2470........NYS. Assembly district 111, Angelo Santabarbra. 518-843-0227 Amsterdam office..518-455-5197 Albany office. Regards
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Post by jimbison on Feb 27, 2013 17:15:34 GMT -5
call made
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Post by walleyed on Feb 27, 2013 20:10:17 GMT -5
Never mind about the hat in hand thing, this is not about 30 years ago or five years ago it is about today. Are you aware the conservation fund is considered to have a surplus? The recent choice of dealing with that surplus, is to lower the cost of sporting licenses. If you listen to the video I posted, you will hear that discussed. What is your opinion of that choice? I think it Stinks, much the same as you do.
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Post by walleyed on Feb 28, 2013 8:54:22 GMT -5
I may stink, but can use a shower. At least you didnt answer with another metephorical narrative referencing the old days... Next question: Did you mention you disagree with increasing the burn rate of the CF by cutting license fees when you called Patty Richie's office? Two Trappers, I hurt too much from my Accident to be laughing right now so don't make me laugh so Hard !! You misunderstand me. I mean the Proposal STINKS, and............that you think it Stinks also. I wasn't implying that you, yourself, Stink. I think that we are on the Same page. And Yes, I complained to Patty Richie's Staffer about the alleged reasoning for Sporting License Rate Reductions and how it didn't not make sense to Use up a healthy Surplus simply to put us back in the Funding deficit Hole so we once again have No revenue for Fish and Wildlife Programs. I basically Accused Cuomo of SCRAMBLING to Regain Political Capital lost through the SAFE ACT debacle amongst the Outdoor Sportsmen Demographic by "Throwing us a bone" with a Sporting License Reduction and Simplification Scheme that did not make any sense and did not pass the STINK TEST. walleyed
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Post by walleyed on Feb 28, 2013 10:39:15 GMT -5
I think most Outdoor sportsmen are (self) kept Too much in the dark regarding State Leadership to know for sure what is really going on in Halls of Albany and how it affects their Outdoor Sports.
The State Capital is so far removed from the life of the average "Joe Sportsman" that he is basically Ignorant, and/Or Apathetic of DEC policy issues until such time that he doesn't catch a fish, or shoot a deer.
Then, and only then, does "Average Joe" get involved at any higher a level.
I'm sure there are multiple Levels of reasoning as to why This Sporting License "Bait and Switch" Shell Game is being put over on the unwashed masses of Hunters, Fishermen, and Trappers.
There has, for sure, been a on-going struggle between Consumptive and Non-consumptive user factions for representation within the DEC for years.
IMO, For years, the "Bark-eating, Granola-Crunching Tree-Hugging Enviro-Nazi's" have fought to wrest control of the DEC from Hunter/Fisher/Trapper Oriented State Government people.
It's a battle that I believe the "Bunny Huggers" are starting to win as more and more "old school" DEC people retire and more ECO-Wackos start to gain power and political influence within the DEC
I don't pretend to know all the details.
It hard for the average Sportsman to know or be able to personally Vet who all is appointed to these CFAB; NYSCC; or FWMB boards to oversee or act on behalf of the Outdoor Sportsman.
If these appointments are political, and made by state officials, (and I'm sure they probably are) whom we already don't trust due to their unaccountability, how are we supposed to trust the decisions of their appointees to these boards.
It's just a big mess.
walleyed
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Post by walleyed on Feb 28, 2013 11:45:29 GMT -5
Hey Two Trappers,
There's Nothing that you can say on this subject that I will take as a personal affront.
Here's a thought.
Did It ever occur to you that you are much more well versed in what YOU are talking about and YOUR SPECIFIC MEANING of things than I am about your opinions or beliefs.
I can see that you are very well informed on many topics regarding the politics and funding of Our DEC and how that funding affects Our Outdoor Sports.
Although I don't agree with everything you say on subjects, Most I do.
I, as the Original Poster of this thread, was speaking of how the elimination of the trapping License would negatively effect our sport, IMO.
You went on to address expanded additional angles to the conversation, none of which had to do specifically with my initial point.
While they are most welcomed and provide us with additional information, to say that I am the one who is "Straying off Topic" is a bit much, even for me.
My topic was, and is: NO TRAPPING LICENSE = BAD
Although you may think I think that you are the ANTICHRIST, such is not the case.
I just wanted to try and motivate Trapper's to become involved in commenting to our State Representatives on ONE specific aspect of the License proposal which will IMHO, negatively affect trapping.
Could I have touched on more ? Yes, but It gets much more complicated beyond that aspect than I have information to make an informed statement on.
Therefore, I shall let you, as a Hyper-informed source, continue to further inform us on the nuances of this obviously more complicated subject.
I mean that sincerely, and welcome the input. Just don't beat around the bush or speak in code, as some of us are not near as well versed as yourself in the subject matter.
Don't assume that we automatically KNOW what you are talking about.
Sincere thanks for you input, as always.
walleyed
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2013 17:17:24 GMT -5
Hey walleyed why is it when we call a spade a spade we get spanked. The problem with albany is it is run by white collared college educated people that know little or nothing about wildlife but ask them about the baseball game or how there stocks are doing in the market they light right up,these people are at the fore front of wildlife management and can do a better job then the biologists being they have a political sceince degree and that means they are super smart even smarter then the biologists that have the specialty diplomas to study wildlife. Think back to the days when you were in high school there were the rednecks and the jocks , the glee club, chess club and so on these people in the second catagory were the most popular and the smartest while we were looked upon as stupid cramudgeons from another planet because we hunted and fished or trapped for our fun. The Legislators that are in control of making these laws are afraid of us blue collard woodchucks we are beer drinkin gun owning stuipid idiots in there eyes and are not civil by any means so they they think. I recently asked one of my co workers who just happens to be an ulster county legislator and a white collared worker in the education field about the safe act his answer to my question in regard to the assualt rifles is all guns need to be banned period i asked why and he said when you come to work every day and you have to worry about some hillbilly nut job wanting to shoot you and a classroom full of people up you need to take away the guns so this won't happen again. and a hellish argument begun. We piss we moan about the laws being thrown at us but what do we actually do about it mostly we sit back and say when will it all go away? Well as long as there are white collard professionals with big fancy degrees sitting in albany we as sportsmen and gun owners will be under attack for what we hold dear to our hearts until we voice ourselves just like the ANTIS do, the white coolard politians are going to keep makin laws for there own kind and say the hell with them no nothing cramudgeons!!!!!!!!!! We are getting to the point now that if we as sportsmen and women don't stand up to these people our days of sportsmen and women will be gone for ever come nov we need to work real hard to put politians in office that work for the people they represent not what they feel should be put into law cause there coleague thinks it's a good idea.
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Post by markboardman on Feb 28, 2013 18:12:59 GMT -5
Called Andy Goodell here is his #(716) 664-7773
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Post by hardwoodcharlie on Feb 28, 2013 20:08:35 GMT -5
Called senator James Seward,607-432-5524 Oneonta ,Albany #518-455-3131 I did not speak directly with Seward,but was told that they believe that this bill is a way to pacify new York hunters and sports men after Cuomo jabbed us all in the eye with his safe act. Seamed to agree that once trappers revenue disappeared so would their rights.he said that's the direction that their probably trying to take us in the long run. My question now is how do you know if they are actually for you're concerns,or just humoring you to get you off the phone?
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Post by rufus on Mar 1, 2013 8:35:38 GMT -5
I was in Albany yesterday for the gun rally, while there I spoke to the following Senators and Assemblyman. I made comments to each of them about the loss of trapping license.
This is what I gleamed from yesterday.
First the license reduction is in "Heir" Cuomo"s budget, as a line item.
Senator Grisanti (chair of environmental conservation committee) stated that the licensing fee reduction was a Republican idea because the conservation fund had a surplus that was being raided by Heir Cuomo.
When the last license fee increase was introduced a number of DEC jobs were to be created but instead layoffs occurred which resulted in a surplus of money. So without these Jobs Grisanti wanted to lower the fees.
Now is where it gets interesting, Heir Cuomo took this and put it in his budget and in the process is eliminating 11 licenses one being trapping. It is the feeling of many of the legislators that I spoke with that He did this to gain favor with sportsman because of the NY safe backlash he is seeing.
I was told after passing NY safe Heir Cuomo's rating dropped 15 points. (lets hope it drops 15 more).
I voiced my opposition to eliminating trapping license and the loss of identity trappers would have.
I also stopped at Senator Gallivan's office, Senator Obrien's office, Senator Marchione's office and Ass. Kolb giving the same message on trapping.
I will also say the I saw President Rockwood and Dave Miller who were also in Albany doing what they could for Trappers.
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Post by timetohunt on Mar 1, 2013 13:10:24 GMT -5
I contacted Rep Clifford Crouch and he told me that he will stand up and oppose the eliminattion of the trapping license. He also says that he views it as pandering to sportsmen.
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Post by PnM on Mar 2, 2013 13:13:01 GMT -5
Twotrappers: Don't deprive all of us of your research and knowledge gained by it. There are only a few who resent being required to think about what is being offered rather than just throw out statements of "fact" without any basis for it.
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Post by herm on Mar 2, 2013 13:43:32 GMT -5
I still would like to know who and when in the time table proposed to eliminate the trapping license? When the CFAB,NYSCC and the FWMB went on record supporting this did they know the trapping license was going to be done away with? Is this something the governor added after the meetings had taken place on his own?I feel this will leave us about in the same league the bird watchers are in. I just got done reading the NYSCC Grass Roots Paper about it and that did not answer any of my questions.
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Post by frankd on Mar 2, 2013 14:01:09 GMT -5
The only way they the Bird watchers/treehugger might get near our league is if they put there money where there mouth is! Like Lic Fees.They Say alot but get real quiet about paying the Bills.
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Post by walleyed on Mar 2, 2013 14:18:52 GMT -5
There are only a few who resent being required to think about what is being offered rather than just throw out statements of "fact" without any basis for it. ?
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Post by PnM on Mar 3, 2013 13:52:21 GMT -5
I just saw trappermac's spanking of twotrappers and twotrappers saying he was going to opt out. Let's disagree with courtesy and if we don't agree with something provide some basis for the disagreement so the conversation gets somewhere. ?what's an antichrist? other than a great pretender. Didn't seem to fit the situation.
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Post by walleyed on Mar 3, 2013 14:23:38 GMT -5
I just saw trappermac's spanking of twotrappers and twotrappers saying he was going to opt out. Let's disagree with courtesy and if we don't agree with something provide some basis for the disagreement so the conversation gets somewhere. ?what's an antichrist? other than a great pretender. Didn't seem to fit the situation. Two Trappers saw fit to delete certain posts of his own in response to other posts which were not in keeping with the Original poster's line of topic. It is now water over the dam and we have moved on and quite possibly this was simply a result of mis-understanding. All is Good. Without the ability to read the entire thread of posts. little of it makes any sense and is now best left buried. We have Moved On. walleyed
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Post by trappermac on Mar 3, 2013 16:08:58 GMT -5
Walleye is correct.....I responded to posts which are no longer there. I'll remove mine.
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