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Post by herm on Feb 21, 2013 17:42:34 GMT -5
What do you guys think of the govenors new license plan?Part of which would do away with having to buy a trapping license if you buy a hunting license, as long as you meet the requirements.
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oldeman
Fulton Montgomery Fur Harvesters Ass.
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Post by oldeman on Feb 21, 2013 18:04:13 GMT -5
It already only costs me$5 to hunt, fish and trap all I want But it would be good for the younger guys
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Post by bob110 on Feb 21, 2013 19:18:43 GMT -5
do we get a refund for our lifetime trapping licenses? most likely NOT
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Post by jimbison on Feb 21, 2013 19:32:19 GMT -5
with out a trapping license will you still be able to trap I think they are backdooring us again beware think about it no trapping license no need for trapping I do not trust ABANY with all the anti stuff there now where does it stop the lower price on the license is to get more people to jump on board not thinking about the end results just my 2cents
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 19:48:33 GMT -5
This is something for Dave Miller to report on.... Strange......
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Post by walleyed on Feb 21, 2013 19:58:58 GMT -5
with out a trapping license will you still be able to trap I think they are backdooring us again beware think about it no trapping license no need for trapping I do not trust ABANY with all the anti stuff there now where does it stop the lower price on the license is to get more people to jump on board not thinking about the end results. I also smell a COON hidden in the WOODPILE here as well. That sounds REALLY suspect to me. Remember the Draft Land Use Master-Plan for State Forests that was up for a Public Comment Period awhile back that stated in part: "(At this time), Trapping is considered to be a Acceptable Land Use of New York State Forests".........yadda, yadda, yadda., Etc. Sounds like a excuse For New York State to Stop Training New Trappers and Recruiting New Adherents to our Sport. Once they eliminate the need for a license, then they could say there is no reason to trap since it is NOT producing any Revenue anymore. To Me, IT STINKS. Caveat Emptor....."let the buyer beware"..........OR In this case we Trappers as potential, Non-Buyers of Trapping Licenses, WE should Beware the Treachery/Tyranny of the State and their as yet Hidden agenda. After what -OMO Cuomo pulled on us with the New York Safe Firearms Act or whatever it's called and his non-transparency on all issues dealing with Our State Government, I for one would not trust that Spagetti-Sucker with anyone or anything. I never thought I would say this but I wish we Had Mr Ellliott Spitzer, The "Love Gov" Back in The Capital. LOL walleyed
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redneck315ers
i got the trapping bug and i see u dont have to lay steel to get it
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Post by redneck315ers on Feb 21, 2013 20:20:06 GMT -5
to good to be true
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Post by md74 on Feb 21, 2013 20:33:44 GMT -5
Looking to regain sportsmens perception after gunbill?? I will take some of this (guns) and give you this (lower rates). Either way residents get shafted!!
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Post by erict on Feb 21, 2013 20:54:42 GMT -5
2013-14 Sporting License Restructure
Why
Simplify license structure for anglers, hunters, and trappers, license-issuing agents, and license-system managers
Foster recruitment and retention of hunters, anglers and trappers – resident and non-resident
Lends support to the tourism focus attracting outside $$ to New York and keeping New York $$ in New York Overview
Reduce the number of license types while maintaining the current hunting, fishing, and trapping privileges and opportunities
Eliminate the various combination licenses (sportsman, super sportsman, trapper super sportsman; conservation legacy)
Reduce many fees and no one will pay more than the current fees for same hunting, fishing, and trapping privileges
Change the license year (for hunting licenses) from October 1 – September 30 to September 1 – August 31
Create a non-resident license structure which is the same as the resident license structure (same privileges afforded per license type whether one is resident or non-resident)
Privileges and prices based on age, disability, military status, residency
Reduce fees for non-resident hunting and fishing license fees to attract more out-of state participants
No changes to the current set of carcass tags associated with resident licenses and privileges as a result of the license restructure
While fees are reduced, Conservation Fund remains solvent for at least five years (State Fiscal Year 2018-19) at current and projected levels of spending
Effective date – February 1, 2014 – current fees and structure will remain in effect through this calendar year
Hunting Licenses
Hunting license includes small game and big game hunting privileges (includes antlered deer tag and bear tag for all license holders)
(Note: previously non-residents could only purchase small game ($85) and big game ($100) hunting privileges separately and additional fee for bear tag - $50)
Fold trapping privileges into the hunting license for no additional fee for certified trappers (license holders that have previous trapping license or Trapper Education certification)
Maintain Junior Trapper and Trapper Mentor opportunities
Reduce price of a resident annual hunting license from $29 to $22
Reduce price of bow hunting privilege from $21 to $20
Reduce price for muzzleloading privilege from $21 to $11
Reduce non-resident hunting license costs from $275 to $100 for same privileges (small game, big game, and bear)
Reduce fee for non-resident turkey permit from $50 to $20
Non-residents need “base” hunting license to purchase bow hunting privilege and muzzleloader hunting privilege
(Note: previously non-resident bow hunting and muzzleloading were stand alone licenses)
Fishing Licenses
Make fishing licenses valid for one year from the date of purchase (currently fishing licenses are valid for a license year – October 1 – September 30)
Reduce the fee for a resident annual fishing license from $29 to $25
Resident 7-day and one-day fishing license fees remain the same at $15 and $5, respectively
Reduce fee for non-resident annual fishing license from $70 to $50
Reduce fee for non-resident one-day fishing license from $15 to $10
Non-resident 7-day fishing license fee remains the same at $35
Make recreational marine fishing registrations valid for one year from date of registration (currently recreational marine fishing registrations are valid on a calendar year basis – January 1 - December 31)
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Post by erict on Feb 21, 2013 20:57:49 GMT -5
Questions and Answers (Q&A) – Hunting, Fishing, and Trapping License Restructure
Why did you restructure sporting licenses?
We restructured sporting licenses to make life easier and less confusing for anglers, hunters, trappers, license-issuing agents, and license-system managers. With the current number and types of licenses, those selling and purchasing sporting licenses are often uncertain as to which privileges come with a given license. Adding to the confusion is the current disparity of privileges between residents and non-residents for similar-named licenses. Life is hard enough, purchasing a hunting license or fishing license should not contribute to life’s difficulties
Why did you eliminate the combination licenses?
In order to have fishing licenses valid for 365 days from date of purchase, we had to de-couple hunting and fishing licenses. Since there are seasonal harvest limits for hunting for certain species such as deer, bear and turkey, we need to have hunting licenses valid for a set period (license year). It would be very confusing to have hunting and fishing privileges valid for different periods of time under the same license. Therefore, we needed to eliminate combination licenses.
Why did you include trapping privileges with the hunting license?
Trapping privilege was consolidated under a hunting license to further reduce the number license types available. New York does not sell many trapping licenses so we decided to include those privileges under the hunting license. DEC can still track the number of trappers by those hunting license holders that possess trapping certification.
Since trapping privileges are under the hunting license, do I need Hunter Education to trap?
No. If you have proof of trapper certification (previous trapping license or Trapper Education) and do not have hunter certification (previous hunting license of proof of Hunter Education), you can purchase a hunting license that includes the privilege to trap, but not to hunt. If you have both hunter certification and trapper certification, you will have hunting and trapping privileges under your hunting license. Your hunting license will clearly indicate which privileges you are entitled to.
Do all hunting license holders have trapping privileges?
No, only those holders of hunting licenses that also have proof a previous trapping license or Trapping Education certification may trap under a hunting license
Why did you change the license year?
We changed the license year to reduce confusion and foster hunting opportunities. Statewide seasons for squirrel and goose, and Northern zone bow season and early bear season open in September. This caused confusion with hunters as they needed the hunting license from the previous year to take advantage of these seasons. Also, only hunters that had a carcass tag left over from the previous year could take advantage of the first part of the northern zone archery season and early bear season. Now, everyone will be able to take advantage of these hunting opportunities which should result in additional hunting-related tourism dollars to communities in the Northern Zone hunting area.
Are there any changes to lifetime licenses?
To minimize confusion and be consistent with the annual licenses, we changed the names of the lifetime licenses and privileges to parallel those of the annual licenses. All lifetime license holders will continue to have the same privileges they currently enjoy. Holders of lifetime sportsman license will now hold lifetime hunting, lifetime fishing, and no-fee turkey permit (holders of lifetime sportsman license prior to October 1, 2009 will continue to have no-fee deer management permit application). Holders of lifetime big and small game hunting licenses will now hold lifetime hunting licenses.
I hold a lifetime trapping license, now what, will I get a refund?
If you hold a lifetime trapping license and do not hold lifetime hunting privileges, you will be given, at no additional charge, a lifetime hunting license. If you hold a lifetime trapping license, and also hold lifetime hunting privileges, we will refund to you the price that you paid for your lifetime trapping license.
Why was the fee for the bow hunting privilege only reduced $1?
Due to season length, bow hunters have many more opportunities to be afield than muzzloader hunters, and New York recently expanded the bow season in the Southern Zone. Although the fee for the bow hunting privilege was reduced $1, bow hunters also need to purchase a hunting license prior to using their bow hunting privilege. Since the fee for a hunting license was reduced $7, the total reduced cost to bow hunters was $8.
Currently, there are reduced fees for youth, seniors and disabled veterans. Will these reduced fees stay?
Yes.
Currently a senior (age 70 years and older) fishing license costs $5 and a senior sportsman license (hunting and fishing) is $10. A senior fishing license will remain $5 and a senior hunting license will be $5. Seniors will continue to receive bow hunting and muzzleloader hunting privileges at no fee (after they purchase a hunting license).
Military disabled persons (40% or greater military disability) will continue to receive all licenses and privileges for which they qualify for a single $5 fee.
Currently, a junior (ages 12 through 15) hunting license and a junior bow hunting license costs $9. The junior hunting license will remain $5, but since the hunting license will be required as a base license for all bow hunting privileges, the bow hunting privilege for junior hunters will be $4.
How will the reduced fees impact the Conservation Fund?
Under current and projected expenditures, the Conservation Fund should remain solvent for at least the next five years. These projections are based on hunters, anglers and trapper purchasing the same privileges that they have the past few years. If the reduced fees result in more licenses purchased, then the Conservation Fund will remain in good shape for additional years.
Why were license fees reduced, particularly for non-residents?
Fees for residents and non-residents were reduced to foster increased participation in New York hunting, fishing and trapping. These outdoor sporting activities can be enjoyed by friends and families – young and old alike; and contribute to quality of life.
For the same opportunity, fees for non-resident licenses, permits, and privileges are still two to more than four times as much as the fee for a New York resident.
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oldeman
Fulton Montgomery Fur Harvesters Ass.
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Post by oldeman on Feb 21, 2013 21:29:43 GMT -5
Anytime they throw you a little cheese the rat usually comes with it.
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Post by jimbison on Feb 21, 2013 21:29:49 GMT -5
so I buy my licenses all at the same time trapping super sportsman how much is the state going to save in ink buy not printing trapping on my license there is no separate tag issued when done as a combo the proposition I have seen targeted trapping licenses and lowering hunting fees removing all trapping licenses only to be had as part of hunting I for one say no way ALBANY has to poor of a track record as being sportsman friendly in this current group in there now
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Post by jimbison on Feb 21, 2013 21:41:43 GMT -5
who is the we conservation fund? who dreamed up this proposal ? don,t believe it is the DEC who is sponsering this in Albany?
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Trapper Jack
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Post by Trapper Jack on Feb 21, 2013 22:29:13 GMT -5
I do not believe anything the "Government" has to say. Not anymore or ever again. Always a gimmick behind it. Highest taxes, unemployment, dumbest gun control law in the United States, high gasoline prices etc. I think I am pretty much burned out with this state. In the process of looking for land out of the "Rotten Apple State!!"
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Post by Mayn22 on Feb 21, 2013 22:42:51 GMT -5
You guys know he took a hit when he back doored the SAFE-ACT.Lost 15% in the ratings,and now he's trying to win it back.I say we'll take it and still not support him.THATS JUST MY 2-CENTS.---Mayn22
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Post by papabear on Feb 21, 2013 22:46:36 GMT -5
Dear Friends, some food for thought......Millions and millions they give away....something for nothing is what they all say..........something for nothing on this you can bet.........nothing for nothing is what you get. Regards
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Post by trappermac on Feb 22, 2013 5:37:44 GMT -5
What they are doing, it appears to me, is reducing the costs to a non-resident for hunting by 50-60% and giving them the same privileges as a resident. So they essentially get a super sportsman's license for $100 (pretty close to what we've been paying) and provided they have trapper training they can trap under it as well. Then they reduce the cost for ours by a couple bucks to get us to drink the kool-aid.
They obviously feel the best way to generate revenues for the state is to lure in more non-residents (all in the name of tourism) because they've learned that as they raise the prices on us they are losing the ranks, and therefore revenue.
So if fur prices stay as they are we can expect much more competition from out of state trappers, not to mention competition for our game. Think about it....if you were told you could hunt small game, big game, and trap in another state for $100 you wouldn't even think about it if you lived fairly close...you'd buy one and take advantage of it.
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Post by jimbison on Feb 22, 2013 5:56:58 GMT -5
agree with nonresidents paying more I normally hunt in the west each year Colorado residents pay deer $34 elk $49 I pay deer $354 elk $589 as it should be nonresidents should expect to pay more Wyoming is about the same giving nonresidents in our state a license for for little more than we pay is sad to say the least fishing license 1 year from date of sale this makes things less confusing yeah please read this carefully
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Post by E.Reynolds on Feb 22, 2013 7:19:34 GMT -5
This was proposed and put into the Gov. hands by the Conservation Counsel. I believe we are being streamlined and loaded into the chute for the slaughter. I hope the DEC steps in and stops this.
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Post by rufus on Feb 22, 2013 7:32:53 GMT -5
As already been stated here I do not trust Albany for a second. As someone who hunts out of state on a regular basis I can tell you our license system is one of the easier to read and buy. If they want more money from out of state sportsman you have to give them a reason to come to NY. Like do some actual management on State land, cut some trees etc. Right now the state land around me is sterile compared to private land. Another thing is the money the State gets from Robertson & Pittman act is based on License sales, so would we be shorting the state because of lower lic. sales. I don't see where DEC's budget is going down so why would you cut the license revenue, so eventually you can say that sportsman no longer are the driving force supporting the department. Then you can push through anti agenda (look at California). And my final rant is once you no longer have a Trapping License you no longer have a number you can count and therefore you are easy to eliminate. Before when a legislator could see that 30,000 trappers in the state might be upset with something now there is no number.
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Post by papabear on Feb 22, 2013 12:02:13 GMT -5
Dear Friends, There is certainly merit for not trusting the endorsement of Conservation Council. I am, however confused by the endorsement of the D.E.C. commissioner........I suppose my biggest concerns are 1) how much is this ploy going to cost us? 2) I don't like the idea of losing the "Trapper identity" by burying it under a hunting privilege. Political policies are driven by numbers! Most hunters don't give a d@mn about trappers! I take issue with hunters dictating trapping policies! Regards
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Post by fisherman on Feb 22, 2013 20:03:13 GMT -5
Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. This governor has shown his true colors with the manner in which he passed the safe act and violating our constitutional second ammendment rights. I don't have any use for the NYS Conservation Council either. At a time when DEC is so short handed this proposal immediately throws up a red flag to me. It is too bad that we can't ship our governor back to where ever he came from and take those legislature wimps with him! Do we have anyone that represents their constituents anymore or they all too busy playing politics and lining their pockets? ?
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Post by hardwoodcharlie on Feb 22, 2013 20:59:58 GMT -5
Politicians are like cats one in every thousand is worthy of a name and the rest should just disappear. Can hardly wait to see what's in this pot of cr@p when they all get done stirring it.and then they want to feed it to us and have us thank them when were done choking on it!!! We can just hope were all gun shy but I don't think so.
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Post by herm on Feb 23, 2013 7:51:49 GMT -5
One thing at least ,we will no longer know how many people actually plan on being out trapping each year or what percentage of the trappers NYSTA represents. Another issue that may or may not come into play is the fact that as it stands right now, hunting is cosidered to be a sport and trapping an occupation.When you put two completly different types under the same lincense, will it become more difficult to track the ones who are trapping and claiming welfare,disability or unemployment?That is of course if the state is even trying to cross check that now.
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Post by nylogger on Feb 23, 2013 9:40:14 GMT -5
some thoughts What have other liberal states done to trapping ? Liberal agendas include gay marriage, gun control, (Animal rights ) Very clear where Cuomo stands on these issues. Cuomo wants trapping licenses to go away that includes lifetime licenses. Can the state just stop issuing trapping licenses as a way to shut it down ? Can holding a lifetime license prevent this ? Are the animal rights groups lobbying for this as back door move ? When was the last time that NY lowered the cost of any license ,permit or fee ?
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