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Post by mb650 on Jan 19, 2013 9:51:37 GMT -5
Hi guys , ever since the snow came its been disappointed to me . Before the snow I was thinking that coyotes have been taking a toll on fox in area . Don't get me wrong I have caught my fair share of fox and few coyotes . My point is that with snow I see the tracks and some will walk right over sets and the one set I had caught a fox day before the snow so the smells still there . Got permission for another farm different area thinking the fox in my home area are wised up(no tripped traps this year) maybe lure? Same thing some just walk by set 2ft away . Thanx as alway Having hard time getting on site not sure why?
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Post by snoeblind on Jan 19, 2013 10:32:19 GMT -5
mb, what are you using for lure/bait. I haven't exactly knocked them dead since the snow but have been having my best luck with just urine and glad. Males are chasing the females and all in all still been a pretty mild winter so food isn't as scarce as a normal winter. If that even exists anymore.
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Post by hillbillyace on Jan 19, 2013 10:54:44 GMT -5
been having same luck we are gonna try more post sets it is mating season hopefully that will change our luck
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Post by silverfox on Jan 19, 2013 11:13:03 GMT -5
Hi guys , ever since the snow came its been disappointed to me . Before the snow I was thinking that coyotes have been taking a toll on fox in area . Don't get me wrong I have caught my fair share of fox and few coyotes . My point is that with snow I see the tracks and some will walk right over sets and the one set I had caught a fox day before the snow so the smells still there . Got permission for another farm different area thinking the fox in my home area are wised up(no tripped traps this year) maybe lure? Same thing some just walk by set 2ft away . Thanx as alway Having hard time getting on site not sure why? same issue, for the last 3 nights have had fox and coyote passing by several sets not even breakin stride both up and down wind, just went out and re did 5 sets with differrent bait/lure/urine combo for each, with nightowl gland and little urine for 2 of them , hopin one of them is what they want as id like to score one more before leavin the K9's to their breeding games!!
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Post by mb650 on Jan 20, 2013 11:20:58 GMT -5
Sorry for late response , problem logging in , but I am using mark June , night owl ,ogorman . I am using dirt holes , post .
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Post by austinp on Jan 20, 2013 11:34:41 GMT -5
Two of the three females I caught yesterday were showing full heat, and far more fox than not are thinning at the flanks already. Our season here in NY runs to Feb 15th but the quality of fur degrades from peak, which is already past and gone for this year. There is nothing legally or morally wrong with continuing to trap fox straight thru the last day of season, and no one should ever be judged for that personal decision. By the same token, other trappers make the personal decision to pull stakes when fur quality breaks down and/or mated pairs start locking up. The fur breakdown / height of mating period has begun... for what that info is worth
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Post by creekboy on Jan 20, 2013 11:41:38 GMT -5
its a tough call - years ago trapped all season for 6 dollar average -now even late season breakers will be worth 25 to 30 dollars -it hard to find your balance point -when it comes to the right thing for you and your area -do whats best for your future-
if a female was killed in november -would it be any different
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Post by austinp on Jan 20, 2013 12:09:42 GMT -5
its a tough call - years ago trapped all season for 6 dollar average -now even late season breakers will be worth 25 to 30 dollars -it hard to find your balance point -when it comes to the right thing for you and your area -do whats best for your future- if a female was killed in november -would it be any different ** If a bred female loses here mate now, will she be adopted by another male or pair to aid the litter rearing? Unlike other animals such as muskrats, rearing pups is a paired effort. I managed my lines the same way without change regardless of dollar values thru the decades. Had I not trapped fox and instead went all-out on the pocket populations of muskrats in Ontario, Yates, Steuben and Livingston county corners around me, I could have pulled together 200+ more by now. But at what cost to next year's or several years' forward populations? No one alive today has ever seen major waters here in NY so dry all summer and fall. It is a period of never-before experienced unknown. So I chose to leave the remnant rats alone... even though it's tough driving past them every day without having traps set to easily glean them all. Personal choices, personal decisions. No blanket judgements
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Post by cooper67 on Jan 20, 2013 13:01:06 GMT -5
try using nite owl red fox gland xl which is a sex gland lure to pull in the males. i caught a gray & red last week on this lure alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 13:35:51 GMT -5
if a female was killed in november -would it be any different Exactly!!!!! I've never understood the late season excuse of not trapping because the females are bread... If one feels its morally wrong, I completely understand. I also understand the quality of fur issues too.... Late season fox trapping can be summed up with a quote by Mark Twain, that went something like this; "The best of times and the worst of times". Late season can be utterly frustrating one day and can be some of the best trapping there is, the next ... I personally love it. Nothing else to distract me this time of year.... This past week, it's been like the "worst of times" for me, with the K9s..... Lol Hope things turn around this week!
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Post by Rick on Jan 20, 2013 13:46:48 GMT -5
Think that was Charles Dickens Eric.
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Post by mikespring on Jan 20, 2013 13:49:11 GMT -5
Yep...
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Post by austinp on Jan 20, 2013 15:44:40 GMT -5
Exactly!!!!! I've never understood the late season excuse of not trapping because the females are bred... If one feels its morally wrong, I completely understand. I also understand the quality of fur issues too.... well, either you do understand, or you don't <grin> Fox are an animal which generally requires two parents for rearing the litter. It's not so much catching a bred female... it is removing her male mate that is critical to feed the litter while she's whelping and tending in the den. For fox it is the male which does a bulk of the food gathering early on in the littering process. On the other hand, males get killed by cars or predators while the female is whelping, too. So it's impossible to make a blanket call saying everyone should do this or not do that based on personal beliefs. The law states trapping season is open thru Feb 15th here for fox, and that is black & white objective. When I was younger I would trap every minute of open season with single focus to collect catches. Now that I'm older, I have a different outlook on the overall scheme of things around me. I talked with veteran fox trappers who feel the same way. And I'm sure other veterans feel differently. In this particular case we are ALL right
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Post by mikespring on Jan 20, 2013 16:09:29 GMT -5
I dont believe anyone said it was right or wrong......Glad this female isn`t gonna be raisin a litter this spring..... Attachments:
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Post by creekboy on Jan 20, 2013 16:11:37 GMT -5
i have also seen triple females with litters with a single male protector - quite the site when spotlighting for denning areas before the grass or weeds are above 4 inches have you ever seen 15 sets of eyes at a single setting
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Post by austinp on Jan 20, 2013 16:21:38 GMT -5
I dont believe anyone said it was right or wrong... Well, I specifically said nobody was wrong just so the assumption wouldn't be made otherwise. Gotta be very clear what you say online, to be clear. These three females from yesterday and perhaps another one that was stolen by night hunters won't be whelping, either. I'm not glad or remorseful for that fact. Either way I left tons of fox prints still out there behind me to complete this year's upcoming cycle of life Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 17:49:21 GMT -5
Think that was Charles Dickens Eric. Lmao. Yep. Your right. I knew it was one of them, I had Twain stuck in my head!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 17:59:01 GMT -5
lol! Dickens, Twain, ....oh the Dickens with Twain! Hey, it's all good. I think ya shoulda PM'd him and let him correct it before we embarrassed him though lol! I got a better laugh outa that than Rick and Mike probably did.... Never afraid to admit when I'm wrong!
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Post by mikespring on Jan 20, 2013 18:39:48 GMT -5
I google`d it and learned something.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 19:20:14 GMT -5
Why Rick knew that is beyond me....
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Post by silverfox on Jan 21, 2013 5:17:57 GMT -5
personal choice, got alot of re-occuring den sites (4 that i know of on my mere 40 acres alone) and choose based on my "enron math" to pull my "home sets" after 2-3 reds to maintain continued use of those dens, i enjoy watching the fox pups play around in the spring while im working some long beards and lets me know i got a few for next season, no science based decisions here just my personal decisions (maximum catch to chase the evil dollar does not dictate my trapping) and of course season runs till feb 15 so by all means keep the steel in the ground till then if you chose to (i surely dont quit turkey huinting last week of may cuz hens have gone to nest, and i sit in my deer stand till the last minute of the last day, same thing)
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Post by panaxman on Jan 22, 2013 9:16:03 GMT -5
Caught two chester county pa reds today, they still look nice. The hay sets are working with LDC . Early Feb reds will still bring 25-30.00 at NAFA.
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Post by silverfox on Jan 27, 2013 12:35:25 GMT -5
sterilized all my sets (fox been walking past em all without so much as a skip in their step for the last 2 weeks or so) went reset with nothing but a smidge of night owl fox gland and this male decided it worthy, had 2 other sets visited as well but traps were froze (been havin subzero temps and drifting snow)
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Post by silverfox on Jan 27, 2013 12:37:36 GMT -5
and the view from "the office"
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Post by rockintheocean on Jan 27, 2013 14:47:00 GMT -5
Nice view. I picked this guy up on Martin Luther King Jr. B-day in the same set as that vixen I got a week before.Then the snow came .First real snow we got .i had thought I must have trapped what was on our little parcels of land ,but after seeing the tracks theses past couple days .Looks to me like we have them like they do in Pa....lol All my sets were set up with the same Night owl gland .With a little crossbones up high to call them in .The night of the snow however showed one set coming in close to one of my sets then head off .All were fallowing rabbit tracks .Even the ones on the tidal wetlands that had the ditches froze over had track on them like they were roads.These tracks lead me to a rat hut ,and a few bank hole dens .Things I had been missing while scouting for rats .Funny what you learn when there's that white stuff covering the ground.Now just gotta get out of this deep freeze so i can set those spots for rats...lol
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