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Post by meathook on Jan 14, 2013 16:45:28 GMT -5
Snap my traps or pull them?
Is there any issue DEC wise if the traps are snapped and not checked? Or do I officially have to pull them?
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Post by oakhillvixen on Jan 14, 2013 16:47:34 GMT -5
Nope as long as they are snapped you can leave them....they arent considered a set trap and you dont have to check them
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Post by rivervalleytrapr on Jan 14, 2013 18:19:43 GMT -5
The ECO's in my area consider any trap left in the field to be under the check laws. They will write you a ticket if they catch you. Your best bet is to talk to the local ECO where you trap and get his opinion. He will be the one writing the ticket after all.
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Post by mole on Jan 14, 2013 18:32:32 GMT -5
A snapped trap is still a set trap and has to be checked. If you can not check them - pull them.
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Post by fisherman on Jan 14, 2013 19:39:42 GMT -5
I snap my traps every year when I go away deer hunting.Always thought I was perfectly legal.Will do some checking on this one,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 19:45:41 GMT -5
Checked with a DEC Law Enforcement official. He says NO they are not a legally set trap, that falls under the 24 hour check rule.
Just to be certain, I will have him run the question to their legal dept to get a final, official answer.
Did the same thing with the pre-staking rule for an official answer....
One area I would be concerned with is leaving a sprung trap in the ground after the season closes.... That's where you would surely run into trouble...
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Post by herm on Jan 14, 2013 19:54:20 GMT -5
I have wondered myself about this question.If ever there was a precident for snapping off traps and leaving them in the field I think one could go back to the days when the deadfalls were commonly used.They would stay in place out in the field year around,but would not be set when not in use.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 20:04:13 GMT -5
For you guys who leave them in the ground snapped, what happens if some one comes along and set it?
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Post by snoeblind on Jan 14, 2013 20:11:14 GMT -5
Good question AJ. Seeing how your tag is on them. I have done this at times and always covered them so they could not be seen but one never knows.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 20:24:52 GMT -5
I've left traps snapped off, because I was short on time or the set was a wet mess, shown up the next day and the trap is set. Usally the landowner or his kid.
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Post by jdpaint on Jan 14, 2013 21:16:05 GMT -5
thanks nyredfox what was the decision on pre-staking?
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Post by traps82 on Jan 14, 2013 21:37:10 GMT -5
d@mn AJ... Never thought about that one...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 21:45:52 GMT -5
I was told you could pre-stake if you are using wood. There is no law in NYS that states you can't put a stick in mud.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 22:35:36 GMT -5
thanks nyredfox what was the decision on pre-staking? Have at it! Just cannot attach a trap to the stake until legal setting time on first day of that season. The question came up with placing cable stakes in pre-dug beds. Perfectly legal..... Same thing goes for putting in stakes for rats... It is not to be construed as staking claim though. If I beat you to your pre-staked hole and set it up first, you have no legal re-course.... Not that I'd do that though!!!
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Post by fisherman on Jan 16, 2013 10:13:31 GMT -5
I checked with a DEC ECO Lieutenant that is an authority about this question. He states that once the trap is sprung it is NOT SET and can be left legally in place. Every year I spring my sets before I go away deer hunting and I am happy to learn that I am legal. Anyone ticketed for this should challenge it because the ECO would be wrong.
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Jan 16, 2013 10:23:49 GMT -5
glad to hear that Al....I do the same thing on occasion
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 21:46:11 GMT -5
I checked with a DEC ECO Lieutenant that is an authority about this question. He states that once the trap is sprung it is NOT SET and can be left legally in place. Every year I spring my sets before I go away deer hunting and I am happy to learn that I am legal. Anyone ticketed for this should challenge it because the ECO would be wrong. I'm backing Al on this one... I received my response today as well.. My response was actually the same response Al got.. When I read the response, Al was the one asking the question.. Al's source is the Department's go-to guy for legal/law interpretation....
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Post by herm on Jan 17, 2013 6:50:11 GMT -5
Al or Eric,Can you ask that source if we are allowed to open carry a handgun while trapping?If we are not allowed to open carry and I am not 100% sure that is the case unless there is an exception, we would be braking the law whenever we uncover the gun.There is a linsence for hunting but that is not trapping and that one does not mention open carry either.If it is not legal or if it is, can you get the source to tell you the exact law that says whether we can or can not.So far sherriffs.lawyers and polititions have been contacted and all that has happened more or less is hitting a brick wall. 60% of contacts say we can not open carry and 40% say we can.The ones who come down on only the consealed carry option dont have an answer as to trapping.So far no one can tell me what law or laws cover these questions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 7:36:43 GMT -5
Herm, give me a couple examples... Are you asking, can you be out in the fields, creeks and woods with an exposed handgun? Or, are you asking can you run around town, gas station, convenient store, restaurant etc, with an exposed handgun?
I know what common sense would dictate, but as we all know, common sense doesn't always prevail. I will see if I can come up with a solid answer for you. Not sure if DEC would be the governing body on that one though...
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Post by herm on Jan 17, 2013 7:48:54 GMT -5
What I have been asking is both questions.But seeing you will be asking the DEC just the trapping part will be enough.Then again if the 40% who say we can open carry all of the time are correct this would not be an issue as of course we could then open carry while trapping.Again what ever the answer is,I would ask what law applies covering their answer.Thanks.
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Post by snoeblind on Jan 17, 2013 8:47:58 GMT -5
Never considered to not open carry while trapping, after all there is usually some open hunting during trapping season , rabbit ,squirrel etc. One can't expect you to unzip your jacket and wait for the rabbit to stay still. I may be off base but do not see how you could be required to carry concealed while in the field.
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Post by Zagman on Jan 17, 2013 11:11:53 GMT -5
When I got my pistol permit, it was not a full carry and conceal. It was solely for trapping. they were clear that the gun and ammo in the vehicle could not be together (ammo in cab, gun in back)
And while trapping it could not be concealed but had to be visible.
Pain in the butt, so I went for and received the full carry and conceal.
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Post by fisherman on Jan 17, 2013 13:02:17 GMT -5
I got my handgun permit 43 years ago. Still has the original photo! The only conditions that it has is 1. It is revocable at any time and 2. That I can not carry a weapon in New York City without the approval of the Police Commissioner. I've carried my weapon as I wish, based on that permit, exposed on my hip or concealed. Perhaps the conditions of these permits vary from county to county at the whim of that particular judge?
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Post by herm on Jan 17, 2013 19:08:24 GMT -5
All of the counties outside of New york City have the same laws that apply to handguns.The above posts just conclude how the gun laws are so confusing.Myself and another person who is the president of a statewide org. have been asking questions from people who you would think would know.60% say no open carry and 40% say you can.No one so far has been able to pin point the law which either says you can or you cant.Some say concealed carry is an exception to the law which says no one can have a handgun in NYS.
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Post by keith on Jan 17, 2013 21:37:43 GMT -5
Ever try to conceal a tompson center contender with 14 inch barrel and 3 to 9 power scope? Great deer gun but not hideable
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