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Post by nylogger on Jan 10, 2013 20:24:04 GMT -5
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Post by homebuilt on Jan 10, 2013 20:32:35 GMT -5
i'm not totally against it, i would rather have them here though. the deer population is way outa control around my place
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Post by coondogger on Jan 10, 2013 22:27:45 GMT -5
i'm not totally against it, i would rather have them here though. the deer population is way outa control around my place That would be alright, if they stayed in your area. Other areas such as mine, the deer have been hit hard. We don't need another pedator to fininsh them off. In fact, we don't need them in the state at all, anymore than we need wolves. Enough of this already..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 22:52:34 GMT -5
There are barely any animals in the adirondaks....what are they going to eat?
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Post by yukonhunter on Jan 10, 2013 23:09:34 GMT -5
Horrible idea, the herd is already decimated
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Post by austinp on Jan 10, 2013 23:28:34 GMT -5
I could not be more opposed if they held me at gunpoint to protest. Absolute stupidest idea I've heard for NYS wildlife and people in a long, long time
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Post by bdfisher on Jan 10, 2013 23:33:05 GMT -5
I heard if you get caught shooting one the fine is $1000.00. So if we as hunters ever do Shhh. don't tell anyone. This past year by me have had record sighting and kills of black bear. These do enough damage to the Young fawns. Near me in Sullivan county good friends of mine have seen several sighting of the big cats. mountain lion, in the past few years.
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Post by austinp on Jan 10, 2013 23:34:14 GMT -5
"up to 350 cougars would take an estimated 8% of the Adirondacks 50,000 deer" (4,000 deer)
That works out to roughly 11.5 deer per cougar per calendar year or one deer every month. A whole deer will feed one cougar each month? That's it... all they will kill? Nothing else?
Where do they find these absolute morons who put such studies together? Do they scrape the bottom of math classes for idiots who failed 9th grade statistics in junior high?
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Post by austinp on Jan 10, 2013 23:34:55 GMT -5
I heard if you get caught shooting one the fine is $1000.00. So if we as hunters ever do Shhh. don't tell anyone. This past year by me have had record sighting and kills of black bear. These do enough damage to the Young fawns. Near me in Sullivan county good friends of mine have seen several sighting of the big cats. mountain lion, in the past few years. I would personally shoot every one I saw on sight, and that's a fact
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Post by Trapper Jack on Jan 10, 2013 23:54:35 GMT -5
You think they would learn from the lynx they reintroduced. Look how that didn't work. Mark my words, we will have a serious problem up here in the Dacks without any animal reintroductions. It will be sooner than we think. Global warming, building going on everywhere,etc. Its pushing animals out of their natural surrounding and habitat all over the country. We will be getting animals we never saw here in our lifetimes because of it. Mountain lions, bears other than blackies, and even wolverines maybe. They now have confirmed wolverine(s) in the Sierra Nevadas. Where else they going to go? Then you will hear all the nut jobs and tree huggers complaining about them and how they can't even go for a walk in the woods anymore. I never had any neighbors up here except for a couple summer camps on the road. Now I got rich people buying up everything and building mansions with 6 car garages. Unbelieveable. Keep pushing Mom Nature people and she is gonna push back real hard.
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Post by herm on Jan 11, 2013 6:38:52 GMT -5
If they did it I wonder how trapping would be effected.Look at what we had to do when they "reintoduced" the otter,that by the way were here anyways in small numbers.If conditions are right for the big cats,they will find their own way back.
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Post by tomsnare on Jan 11, 2013 7:14:55 GMT -5
When the cats show up things get awful quiet around here, they eat a lot more than one deer a month. It reminds me of when the coyotes first showed up on my line in NY you have to change the big difference I found is my traps will hold them but your anchor has to be stout looking for Kurt to build some wolf drags. Would not recomend the cats as neighbors they don't get along well and they're a pain to get out of a trap!------Tom
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Post by milkie62 on Jan 11, 2013 8:35:38 GMT -5
I am sure the tree huggers would like them here,but I bet the hikers will put up a stink about them lurking around.
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Jan 11, 2013 8:52:04 GMT -5
Morons....does anyone remember the lynx debacle?
A so called brilliant biologist made the right connections to transplant lynx in the Adirondacks, circa 1980's If I remember right.
Primary food source, snowshoe rabbits.
All but one of the lynx were hit by cars & killed.
The rabbit population in the high peaks area was not self sustaining. A total failure.
Mountain lions will travel to look for deer & guess where they'll end up, where the eatin's good. Deer country = people country in NYS.
Thank god the DEC biologists have more common sense & animal knowledge than some bookworm ideolog from SUNY Oswego.
It will never happen
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Post by charlielambjr on Jan 11, 2013 12:07:19 GMT -5
i think theresnalready big cats around i know a few longtime sportspeople who say they have seen them or signs of them
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Post by snoeblind on Jan 11, 2013 12:43:43 GMT -5
Well we know they are in Vermont, reports and photos in New Hampshire and PA. More reports in Ohio and a road kill in Connecticut....lets not forget our borders to the north. It has been reported that the eastern migration of the mountain lion is the highest ever recorded during the last couple of years. Several mid west states where they have not been seen in 50-100 years have confirmed sightings or kills. Whether or not any most of these places have actual breeding populations is unknown. Basically if we just let nature take it's course we may have them whether we want them or not.. I have my own story but I'll leave that for another day.
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Post by trappermac on Jan 11, 2013 13:34:21 GMT -5
Cougar sightings rank right up there with alien sightings for me....if you know what I mean. If you want to see something bad enough you can convince yourself that it is what you saw.
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Post by Trapper Jack on Jan 11, 2013 13:40:15 GMT -5
Saw a alien in the outhouse 2 days ago. Scared the $**t right out of me!!! ;D
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Post by oldeman on Jan 11, 2013 15:30:35 GMT -5
You would almost have to assume if the idiots got there way and they dis bring them in it would mean a ban on foot traps for a long time above the blue line or until they drag some millionaires kid off the front lawn.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 15:49:14 GMT -5
We have cougars running around all over down my way. Some have kids, some don't, but there always on the hunt
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Post by Trapper Jack on Jan 11, 2013 16:02:50 GMT -5
AJ that was classic !! Got a few up here too,but bigger than .. I better shutdown before I trouble myself..
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Post by herm on Jan 11, 2013 17:07:05 GMT -5
I am married to one.
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Post by oldman50 on Jan 11, 2013 17:36:54 GMT -5
I am sure the tree huggers would like them here,but I bet the hikers will put up a stink about them lurking around. Maybe these cougers will eat a few of them. ;D
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Post by bobsamuelson on Jan 11, 2013 17:45:43 GMT -5
This guy obviously has no idea what the Adirondack habitat is really like! Is this another of those "the habitat is correct. This is ancestral habitat that they lived in before human exploitation" type of poo?
Worked for the lynx!
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