traps82
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Jan 9, 2013 21:13:40 GMT -5
Post by traps82 on Jan 9, 2013 21:13:40 GMT -5
Didnt BJ Slick Willie Clinton propose having armed guards in schools? Nobody screamed about that idea.. Then.. Hmmmm.. Wondering if that would have stopped the murder.. This is a tragic, sickening event. But please, PLEASE remember this.. The people who are in the W/H now think NOTHING of exploiting tragedies to promote their agenda/ They wait for it, they love it. Yes.. I said LOVE IT!! I can guarantee that within mere MINUTES Axlerod was on the phone trying to figure out how to use this to really amp up their efforts for gun control. Remember their motto: "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." Go ahead, rip me for saying what I did. But think about it. And watch it unfold... And TY Bobber.. I knew you weren't and I was trying to state my piece AND say that
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Jan 9, 2013 21:13:44 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 21:13:44 GMT -5
They were let go in the 80's because Reagan cut funding to mental health facilities............
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Jan 9, 2013 21:28:03 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 21:28:03 GMT -5
Well said tmc, I lived within a couple miles of the Gowanda facility back when I was kid, and well remember the poor souls they released . Now it is a prison, and I suppose that there are a few in there who should be in institutions for the mentally infirm who undoubtedly are abused in a prison environment. Then we release them early because there is no money. Then a West Webster unfolds. As Al West said we are broke despite the high taxes . Bottom line,we can't pay our bills . No more blood in the stone.
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Jan 9, 2013 21:31:23 GMT -5
Post by traphead2 on Jan 9, 2013 21:31:23 GMT -5
i have no clue how you came to the conclusion that im okay with kids being slaughtered? you missed my point which is that mankind has been killing each other sense the dawn of time and NO AMOUNT OF LEGISLATION AND OR MONEY is going to change that. YOU CAN NOT LEGISLATE MORALITY!!!!. and AJ if you think the bible is a fairy tale then i know there aint anyway youll ever understand what i just wrote
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Jan 9, 2013 21:47:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 21:47:49 GMT -5
traps 82 : you got it right brother! The night before the Sandy Hook murders, I was watching CNN and the Piers Morgan show. FWIW,I study the other side to better understand how to counter their arguments. He was going on with his rant for more gun control like they have in the UK. The thing that stuck in my mind was that he kept saying over and over that it would take a Dunbane type of tragedy to get the attention of the administration. Well he got his wish, and he didn't waste any time exploiting it. At least the NRA waited to make a response.
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Jan 9, 2013 23:20:41 GMT -5
Post by fisherman on Jan 9, 2013 23:20:41 GMT -5
Very well put Bobber. As for me, I'll stick with that "nonsense" from the Bible.
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Jan 10, 2013 5:53:23 GMT -5
Post by silverfox on Jan 10, 2013 5:53:23 GMT -5
the fact that there is even a country wide "crisis" on this subject is a sad state of affairs, especially with all the real problems in this country, should not be any gun control laws period, individuals need to be held accountable period, criminals need to be dealt with an "eye for an eye" attitude period, as touched on above, its nothin more than the anti-firearm politicians and liberal media using a derranged CRIMINALS (sandy creek thing) actions as a catalyst for their agenda, anyone who thinks ANY TYPE of gun control is "a fix" lives in a fantasy world, and fact is violent crime rate across the country is 52% lower than it was 20 years ago, and over 70% of violent crimes occur in the 28 highest populated metro's in the country, so certainly portraying the steriotypical "country boy, outdoorsman, or red neck" (for lack of better terms) as the main "culprit" is proposterous, the majority of violent crime criminals (did not say all) are from an inner city exsistance and/or have been identified as "unstable" so lets go to the root of the problem instead of using these acts as a decoy for something that really is irrelevent (gun control) to the "problem"
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Jan 10, 2013 5:58:18 GMT -5
Post by herm on Jan 10, 2013 5:58:18 GMT -5
The Webster shooter told the parole board not to let him out as he would kill again.A few months later they let him out anyways.
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Jan 10, 2013 6:12:56 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 6:12:56 GMT -5
So were in agreement we want guns. Is anybody going to contact their local school district and tell them they want armed gurards and to increase taxes to pay for it?
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Jan 10, 2013 7:53:14 GMT -5
Post by silverfox on Jan 10, 2013 7:53:14 GMT -5
armed gaurds at school for what? (as far as taxes are concerned if ya havnt noticed your FICA has been raised by 50% by the current administration) they'll (the "whack jobs") will just select another "safe, gun free" venue to inflict their "need for attention" if we "society/main stream media" didnt sensationalise their acts of lunacy, then it wouldnt be a way for these weirdo's to get the "rock star" status their looking for!! if the "kill craze" was barrelling a vehicle into large crowds they would do that, or (god forbid) simply poising water supplies, the list is endless, just like the media induced craze of "dirty needles" placed in gas pumps back in the late 80's following the intial AIDS epidemic, these drains on society will always find a way to "immortalize" their exsistance thru violence because they are unable to immortilize their exsistance in a positive way, the cold hard truth is their will always be "evil" people who will always find a way to committ "evil" acts and mitigating the personal risk and identifying potentially "disturbed individuals" and treating not with "counseling" and "politically correct coddling" but negating thru swift, rigid "control", how many of these weirdo's were identified after the fact as previously displaying homocidial or unstable tendancies (most) but were treated with "velvet gloves" and "medicated" ? obviously doesnt work and THAT IS WERE WE as a society have failed, "its okay you didnt mean it" slap on the wrist treatment of substandard behavior is the problem, not the tools they use to carry out their atrocities, so in their (politicians, gun control fanatics) demented thought process the "fix" is to take away one of the tools that the "positive members of society" (which is the overwhelming majority) have to help reduce/ mitigate personal risk from the useless few
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Jan 10, 2013 8:09:38 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 8:09:38 GMT -5
Jesus you right, lets all kneel and pray. That should fix the problem.
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Jan 10, 2013 8:13:48 GMT -5
Post by coondogger on Jan 10, 2013 8:13:48 GMT -5
Actually bobber the real problem is we have not mental health system, and no one wants to pay to lock up criminals for life. Instead the offical convervative line is to being to nursey rymes from the bible "cain killed able" or what ever that nonsense is, people need to pay for a society that can have open gun ownership. Pay for mental hospitals, pay for life imprisionment. I could care less who you vote for. It's pretty sad when Americans are "okay" with kids getting slaughtered as long as no one touches thier guns. We want guns, starting paying for protection for the kids and firgure out a way to keep them away from theh extremely deranged The NRA suggested putting armed guards in schools after VA Tech, they suggested getting rid of gun free zones, which have, since they were enacted caused 10 mass shootings with 60+ victims. I agree, put security in our schools, it should have been done along time ago. Our government buildings have security, our airports have security, why should our schools not have security? In the early 80's the federal and state officials shut down all the federal and state run mental hospitals thanks in part to the ACLU. It was too costly for care. They kicked all the patients to the curb. It is hard to get anyone who has a mental condition placed in an instutution due to the lawsuits the ACLU won on behalf of the patients in the 80's. I am sick to death of these shootings and something has to be done. But, trashing our rights is not one of them. The 2nd amendment should not be the scrape goat for the actions of a few, and the refusal of the majority to do the right thing and put proper security in our schools, and get rid of gun free zones. AJ has a right to be upset, but not at the 2nd Amendment, be upset at elected officials who refuse to protect our kids the same as they would protect themselves, with armed security..
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Jan 10, 2013 8:58:20 GMT -5
Post by trappermac on Jan 10, 2013 8:58:20 GMT -5
Here is Cuomo's 7 point plan that he discussed (quickly) in his State of the State address a bit ago. He spent more time on climate change than he did gun control and a variety of other issues. 1. Enact toughest assault weapon ban in nation 2. Close private sale loophole 3. Ban high capacity magazines 4. Enact tougher penalties for gun crimes (school zone violations, felons possessing, etc) 5. Keep guns from the mentally ill 6. Ban direct internet sales of ammo 7. Create state NICS check on all ammo purchase. Number 1 is all important to Cuomo. He aspires to be President, and if he does this he will set himself up for the Demo. nod..be the first one to react to the recent killings and have the model assault rifle ban for the remainder of the nation to follow..that is the reason for him pushing this...make no mistake about it that the tragedy has been turned into a political carpet ride for selfish politicians looking to further their career....Cuomo at the forefront. Two issues occurred....a mentally ill person was allowed to be in mainstream society and also able to obtain firearms, and a school was not properly protected from such an attack. Those two issues can be placed upon similiar tragedies that have occurred elsewhere in the past several years.
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Jan 10, 2013 9:25:17 GMT -5
Post by silverfox on Jan 10, 2013 9:25:17 GMT -5
Jesus you right, lets all kneel and pray. That should fix the problem. have no idea what that has to do with statements made, i got no problem with your insistant "protection at schools" and in fact would be more than willing (and qualified as a retired Army Ranger for 21 years) but thats only going to change the venue, (a small bandaid if you will)didnt hear or see anyone say that we "society" is okay with mass murder of children or anyone else for that matter, your focus on school security is warranted however the "problem" is much larger than that and quite frankly should not be part of the gun control debate...period why isnt anyone ranting bout the overwhelming number of "kids" killin each other on our city streets as part of "turf or gang" wars, (and has been going on for decades) ill tell ya why, cuz the media wont get the shock and awe like sandy creek, so to use a school shooting as a basis for justifying gun control (gun control being the overlying subject of this thread, not school shootings) is nothing more than a front for a broader hidden agenda and just plays on the "feelings" and "sympathy" of the public (make no mistake sandy creek was an atrocity and should never have happened, but that kid was a huge discipline problem and major threat prior to the shooting but no one cared till after the fact, shame on all who knew)
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traps82
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Jan 10, 2013 9:42:10 GMT -5
Post by traps82 on Jan 10, 2013 9:42:10 GMT -5
So were in agreement we want guns. Is anybody going to contact their local school district and tell them they want armed gurards and to increase taxes to pay for it? Well.... There is plenty of "crap" that could be cut to pay for it... Like teaching classes on gay and lesbian lifestyle choices.. Or how it is ok for Billy to have 2 moms or 2 dads... The above is sarcasm, with a grain of truth.. Probably a lot of truth.. Actually, why not assign a couple of sheriff's deputies on a rotating basis to school.. I am throwing ideas out there... And another thing: STOP ADVERTISING 'GUN FREE ZONES'!! I bet if it is known that a school has armed security like this: "SCHOOL ZONE: ARMED OFFICERS ON PREMISE" I bet that mass murders would drop a bit... Has far as paying for it.. Have Mr "I Love Kids" Obama stop giving his terrorist cousins aid money.. Bet that would pay for it.... An aside: Mr "Fake Tears For The Kids" Hussein... Yes "FAKE", because he has no problem with how many millions of unborn babies that have been murdered. And will be.. Or calling in a 2nd doctor to finish the job if the 1st can't do it...
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Jan 10, 2013 17:29:42 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 17:29:42 GMT -5
Bottom line is we as gun owners and people who value the right to have them need to get serious about a solution. Ignoring it and pretending we can do nothing about it will only hurt us in the long run. There is no easy answer however it's brining about real issues in the society as a whole.
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Jan 10, 2013 17:51:59 GMT -5
Post by coondogger on Jan 10, 2013 17:51:59 GMT -5
Bottom line is we as gun owners and people who value the right to have them need to get serious about a solution. Ignoring it and pretending we can do nothing about it will only hurt us in the long run. There is no easy answer however it's brining about real issues in the society as a whole. It has only brought about real concern since the closing of the mental instutitions. Before that, not so much. And even now, these shootings account for only a small portion of the overall voliance in our country, and certainly do not warrent this kind of heavy handedness. There are going to be more shootings at schools until we place security in all our schools, that's the bottom line. There are other places we should be placing our efforts, and one of those should be gang voliance and the use of hard drugs..the mexican drug cartels are moving into our cities and taking over the gangs, if you think the voliance is bad now, wait a few years if this is left unchecked..
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Jan 10, 2013 17:52:49 GMT -5
Post by coondogger on Jan 10, 2013 17:52:49 GMT -5
We need everyone to call the Senate majority leader and tell them no more gun control. Senator Dean Skelos Republican - Nassau County Albany Office - (518)455-3171 Fax - (518)426-6950 Email - skelos@nysenate.gov U.S. Mail - NYS Senate 330 Capitol Bldg Albany NY 12247 All phone numbers and links are listed below. Governor at (518) 474-8390, then click the link to leave a message Contact Senate Majority Co Leader Dean Skelos (518) 455-3171 Dean G. Skelos | New York State Senate Senate Majority Co Leader Sen. Jeffrey Klein, D-Bronx 518-455-3595 Jeffrey D. Klein's Contact Information | New York State Senate and Sheldon Silver 518-455-3791 New York State Assembly - Member Section Make plans now to call on Monday or Tuesday! You should also forward this to every gun owner you know. Make them call too! Notify you clubs and organizations. WE MUST STAND TOGETHER! Call these IDC members which include: Senators Diane Savino, David Valesky, David Carlucci, and Malcolm Smith. Jeff Klein is in the lead. He's working with Skelos as co-majority leader of sorts. These five along with our Republican friends are gun owners only hope. Senators Diane Savino Phone: (518) 455-2437 Senator David Valesky Phone: (518)-455-2838 Senator David Carlucci Phone: 518-455-2991 Senator Malcolm Smith Phone: (518) 455-2701 Use this tool to find your state and local reps: www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx Remember that the first phoney AWB we currently have was Introduced, Voted for and Signed in ONE DAY! The fight is not over...email, call..do your part to keep our 2nd Amendment rights..
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