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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2012 6:41:19 GMT -5
Someone posted that they payed that in Michigan!
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Post by furman1989 on Dec 27, 2012 7:03:24 GMT -5
Sitting on 225 of them, thats a good thing to see. Fur
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Post by traphead2 on Dec 27, 2012 11:10:05 GMT -5
just saw that
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Post by nightstalker1 on Dec 27, 2012 12:13:12 GMT -5
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Dec 27, 2012 12:24:04 GMT -5
Buyers that have specific orders to fill might have to chase prices a bit this winter, because nobody has any rats to speak of. Much rather have 1,000 - 2,000 $9 rats than 100 - 200 $15 rats, to state the obvious. So it's not a big-money year for rat trappers anywhere. As for peak prices? They might easily slide back down by the late winter sales in March - April.
Seen that before many times... just because the national catch is off does not equal sky-high prices in the end. Rat prices in the low-teens average are nothing to pass up when offered, imo
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Post by barrington on Dec 27, 2012 12:29:04 GMT -5
I got rats I'll let go CHEAP how does a $20.00 head count sound ? any takers?
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Dec 27, 2012 13:05:25 GMT -5
$20 head count sounds like you might hear crickets chirping on the bids
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Post by mvernelson on Dec 27, 2012 13:40:55 GMT -5
The trappers post.... "Reports $8-$9 for the best skins". "People looking for $20 rats are chasing a pipe dream."
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Post by barrington on Dec 27, 2012 13:50:22 GMT -5
I bet my avg will be closer to 20 than 8.
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Post by mikespring on Dec 27, 2012 13:52:35 GMT -5
Yep...I bet your right barrington...
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Dec 27, 2012 13:59:55 GMT -5
trapper magazine price predictions are worthless... but not likely rats reach a $20 nose-count average, regardless how few there are. there is a price ceiling buyers will pay before they nix those rats and turn elsewhere
as noted before, it's all a moot point anyway. trappers with 100 or 200 rats this year would normally have 500 to 1000+ rats with same efforts expended and more water to cover any other year, including last year.
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Post by barrington on Dec 27, 2012 14:02:51 GMT -5
The rat population is better in my area than it has been for the last 10 years or more. Still no where near what there used to be but I think its getting better.
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Post by snoeblind on Dec 27, 2012 14:13:31 GMT -5
The good prices are a bonus for me as I will take the same amount regardless. I do not have big marshes and set out a few here and there on the mink line. So with only 40-50 rats i'd rather see $15+ for mine. I will probably look for some when the weather clears but like I said for me its a bonus..
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Dec 27, 2012 14:13:52 GMT -5
(barrington) As we discussed last year... you must have been crashed rock bottom there south of me. I do see pockets of rats west of you and south of you in places, but still fringe remnants compared to even last year thru the finger lakes region. South end of Conesus, Canandaigua and Seneca lakes were either devoid or nil rats this season, same for Cohocton River valley and nearby sloughs.
The creeks = ditches networks with any kind of steady springs flow feeds had stacked pocket populations of rats. I found some in shallow ditches that hadn't seen rats in a decade. Must be when the still waters dried up this summer, the survivors moved upstreams to feeder creeks & ditches to harbor.
Those same pockets of rats are what will be needed to repopulation the currently devoid bigger flows next spring and beyond. Statewide it may take two or more season cycles to restore rats at normal populations, considering how low the numbers got drawn
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Dec 27, 2012 14:16:22 GMT -5
The good prices are a bonus for me as I will take the same amount regardless. I do not have big marshes and set out a few here and there on the mink line. So with only 40-50 rats i'd rather see $15+ for mine. I will probably look for some when the weather clears but like I said for me its a bonus.. other than that lone MI auction of 8,000ish rats, prices everywhere else have been steady at last season highs. $15+ for top lots and $10 - $11 nose count averages this season, same as last. it remains to be seen if that little MI sale was a new price structure or an outlier event which means nothing to anyone else
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Post by blackhammer on Dec 27, 2012 23:31:14 GMT -5
I averaged 11.80 at Wiebke fur today. The market is higher this year than last. I think in Nafas Feb sale you are going to see some awesome prices on everything. Hope everyone still has some fur because the markets are going to be great.
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Post by wbbount on Dec 28, 2012 4:41:09 GMT -5
I sold rats yesterday IN Indiana to a buyer thats buying for Wiebke. 12.50 average with a 13.00 tops. all were 16 inch and up. They said that they have bought about 3 times as many rats this year.They said that they will prob. bump them up another buck or two in the next week.
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Dec 28, 2012 7:51:26 GMT -5
wbbount, that is an excellent average but you only sold large rats and bigger. A true average with kits, smalls and damaged included, i.e. everything straight run would be more like the $10 - $11 mark depending on how numbers sorted out. blackhammer, I hope fur prices increase straight & steady for years to come. The one visible market hiccup this year is current fiscal cliff saga that's unfolding. If our inept lawmakers treat it like five year olds playing in a sandbox, there could be major market disruptions of all kinds around the world. As for saving fur, there wasn't much caught to be saved by any of the bigger rat trappers I know. If I decide to do it with weather permitting, I could probably scrape together another 100 rats in the general area without much impact on numbers. If I wanted to trap everything possible with no regard to the future, I could probably trap 200 rats total. So what's the real difference if rats are $11 or $14 on the average in Feb? It'll take a couple hundred dollars worth of gas to procure those scattered remnants of rats across the general area. This year we cannot simply launch a canoe and stay on the water... to accumulate any catch involves lots of driving. The end result is passing thru higher price profits from the fur check straight to the gas pumps without ever touching our wallets. That is real math reality here this year. It sounds like out there in MN some areas have solid rat populations. I don't know if any guys here in NY put together 1,000+ rats this season... but I do know several who could if the rats were out there that did not because the rats are not. Good news for the modest collections as noted earlier... guys who have some rats will enjoy a couple hundred extra dollars if prices hold higher. Personally speaking, if we see coon at $50 and fox at $100+ and rats here or higher in the years to come, nobody will complain when sales time comes around
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Post by nightstalker1 on Dec 28, 2012 8:17:38 GMT -5
Future fur prices are always speculation and the market has shown it can change rapidly...we are all just guessing. Each auction or fur buyer sets their own bar at that specific time. Then it is our decision to sell or hold. Always many posts on all the forums about prices
Just a few years ago rats were roughly half their current average and red fox were mid-twenties
Didn't hear anybody back then predicting our current good numbers for those animals
Coyotes started very high last year then the bottom dropped out at the end of the season
Enjoy the good prices while we can.....we never know how long they will last
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Dec 28, 2012 8:27:17 GMT -5
Enjoy the good prices while we can.....we never know how long they will last I have learned that over and over and over again... since Oct 1987 for the first time. A really painful time at that :<(
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Post by trappermac on Dec 28, 2012 8:30:48 GMT -5
Gotta love the yearly "muskrat price speculation thread".
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Dec 28, 2012 8:37:50 GMT -5
not much else to talk about mac... other than how much snow there is to shovel before the next round comes tomorrow
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Post by nightstalker1 on Dec 28, 2012 8:44:36 GMT -5
Ironically, we always hear ....... " I trap for the love of trapping, not the money"
The biggest threads every year are always about fur prices
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Dec 28, 2012 8:58:27 GMT -5
not the biggest threads... those are where two or more trappers disagree in heated fashion for awhile, and click views grow into the 1,000s as trappers from all across the country tune in for the flame-war show... not the random topic per whatever it may happen to be :>0
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Post by brokestove on Dec 28, 2012 9:09:33 GMT -5
Yes indeed always about the money. and high fur prices.
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