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Post by herm on Dec 20, 2012 16:23:46 GMT -5
Thats good,but if you go on unemployment can you still trap?
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Post by mikespring on Dec 20, 2012 16:39:54 GMT -5
Gotta claim what ya make and that would get deducted from your unemployment check...Unless he made more than his unemployment check in fur.......I have not collected unemployment benefits in 15 years so I really don't know how it works today...
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Post by herm on Dec 20, 2012 16:51:47 GMT -5
Not sure on this ,but I think it goes by how many days you work in a week.Most of us all think of trapping as a sport,but in this state it is a business.I dont care what anyone does,but if I was collecting unemployment I would not be posting on the internet that I was trapping.
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Post by snoeblind on Dec 20, 2012 16:57:20 GMT -5
I think he is safe. I believe he would not have to claim it until the furs were sold. Until then they have no set value and no way to determine their value.
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Post by mole on Dec 20, 2012 17:01:58 GMT -5
They ask; Did you work last week? Trapping is considered Self Employment.
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Post by bdfisher on Dec 20, 2012 17:02:25 GMT -5
If he made over $405.00 per week in fur sale. He would have to claim it. But really who does everything by the books. I've been layed off so long I feel like I'm retired..
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Post by mikespring on Dec 20, 2012 17:11:11 GMT -5
So if he made 200.00 off fur... the full unemployement check is like a bonus???
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Post by snoeblind on Dec 20, 2012 17:12:53 GMT -5
So if you say yes ... but still had $0 income because no income has been established...
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Post by rusty on Dec 20, 2012 18:07:26 GMT -5
If your not honest with the unemployment system in my opinion that's stealing. If you work 1 hour in a day or 8 hours in a days it's still working that day. If you work every day only one hour each your working. That's how the system works. If you are going to break the law I think you should do it offline . That's my opinion but that's not worth a sh!t around here.
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Post by trappinphool on Dec 20, 2012 18:16:18 GMT -5
If you kept track of all your mileage, gas you burn, investment in traps, lure and other supplies, I doubt if there will be enough profit left to influence your unemployment check :-)
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Post by snoeblind on Dec 20, 2012 18:19:53 GMT -5
I agree but that's what I'm saying. They ask how you much you got paid. They ask if you've returned to work full time. What i'm saying is that there is no way to answer those questions because there is no established pay, no hourly wage or salary. And if you run it as business he would actually have a loss with no income until his furs where sold. Then if he ran every day for 2 month and only ended up with 12 fox, 6 coons and a skunk... probably less than $405 ... That's one weeks unemployment check.... and that' only if he qualified for the full amount with the added federal $'s.
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Post by rusty on Dec 20, 2012 18:21:08 GMT -5
It's not only about the profit !! If you worked that day you worked . If you say you was self employed then they ask dollor amount. Either way it will affect your taxes at the end of the year not to mention its the right thing to do.
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Post by meathook on Dec 20, 2012 18:42:44 GMT -5
And you didn't believe me when I said I would be amazed if you didn't win in NY. In this case I don't hate to say I told you so. Glad it worked out for you.
Trapping isn't work it's fun.
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Post by centro44 on Dec 20, 2012 20:35:15 GMT -5
yet to bring myself to collecting from the government........always said if theres a will, theres a way to make money
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Post by bdfisher on Dec 20, 2012 20:43:28 GMT -5
Who in the heck opened this can of worms LOL ;D ;D ;D
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Post by rockintheocean on Dec 20, 2012 20:46:42 GMT -5
just went through this when I started working for myself.I started my business last Feb,kept on working for the same employer that I had been working for 20 yrs.As I progressed and started getting more work ,one of the owners started to get pissed.Well after putting up with it till July of this year ,he came to me and said you don't have to work here if you don't want to.I said OK and left.Well the other owner was not sure what had happened and asked if I would come in to talk about it ,he asked if I wanted to still work there .I said yes .I went in had that meeting and when I left I was under the impression of coming back to work that Monday.Well he never called me back.So I filed for unemployment. Now after a couple weeks or so I receive a call from unemployment ,the person asks a few questions ,what happened at the place I was working at,I told her .Her response was you have started a business ?I said yes. She claims that I never said that when I filed .I said yes .Actually I had asked in an e-mail if it was possible to collect if I had started a business.She said don't worry you won't be penalized for it.I said what I just said and have a copy of the e-mail that this was the first question I asked before even filing the response to the e-mail was that I had to file to find out if I qualified....So then she proceeds to tell me that my employer claims I quit.I said we had an argument ,but was asked to come back in and was told they will call me .Keep in mind the whole reason for starting the business was that this painting company was slowly getting slower.Had worked 6 days a week for 15 years ,then once the recession i was lucky to get 4 days a week.They worked me just enough to keep me from claiming any lost wages .That is 20 hours a week.Anything less then I would be able to claim.If laid off I would have received the max that unemployment offers. Now before that call I was doing my filing on line ,they did ask if I worked even for myself ,classified work as even answer or making calls,and did not matter if I made anything for that period or not. Two weeks later I receive two letters .first one stated that I was not getting unemployment cause I was not unemployed I was /am self employed and that I stand to gain financially in the future .Second stated that my employer claimed that I quit. So as far as I can tell you ,if you trap and get paid your self employed . Now for my question being that I am selling a product (fur) don't I have to charge sales tax to whom ever buys it?
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Post by rockintheocean on Dec 20, 2012 20:56:11 GMT -5
oh yeah two guys who I supervised who worked during the busy time (summer) ,both never worked on the books before they worked there.When they were laid off ,both got to claim unemployment.Both these guys were in their 30-40's and never worked on the books before ,never paid a dime in taxes.So thats how the system works ,You don't say a word or let someone else receive your fur check in their name ,keep claiming unemployment and they will never know.If you can live with that......
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Post by traps82 on Dec 20, 2012 23:44:29 GMT -5
Ok.. You were going to work every day and trapping everyday.... So now you can trap more... So what about this? ... If you are unemployed and collecting, that is money to live off of right?.. BUT since you are unemployed and can't find a job, you get to go hunting/fishing A LOT.. Say you legally fill 4 deer tags while you are unemployed. You cut up the deer yourself.. You get a nice freezer full of meat.. Say you were unemployed over the summer too.. So you planted a garden.. Since you had time to tend it... You got a BOUNTIFUL harvest.. You also had time to fish... Lots of fillets in the freezer.. SO my question is: Do you have to claim all this self procured food at the unemployment office as "income" so to speak? Because in theory, you need less "food" money, because you have fed yourself. Would that be correct?
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Post by trappermac on Dec 21, 2012 5:46:25 GMT -5
Trapping is a recreational pursuit, it is not considered "gainfully employed". Employment involves a W-2. If you sold your grandma's antique dining room table for $300 you wouldn't claim that on UE as "yes, I worked last week". Same would apply if you sold $300 worth of fur that took you 2 months to trap. Recreational Trapping is not employed.
I deal with UE from the employer side. If you quit, you're going to be denied UE. Laid off and you're going to get it. Fired and you will eventually end up in a hearing where if there is any loophole in company policy you will get it, does't mean you deserve it, simply means the company made a mistake. If the company policy is tight and without prejudice you will be denied. Can't tell you how many hearings I've been involved in.
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Post by herm on Dec 21, 2012 6:50:32 GMT -5
Hunting and fishing in NYS are generally consitered to be a sport.Yes I know there are registered hunting guides and people who commercially fish for a living.Trapping is a business.This fact has been in part of disscussions at several NYSTA BOD Meetings.Back in the recession of of the early 80s the local fur auction had the state checking certain people who were collecting fur checks and the operators warned everyone who was collecting to have their checks made out to someone else. Along the same lines people who claim they can not work and are collecting disablity from social security should not be out trapping either based on these same facts that should apply if you claim you can not work.However the state has hunting and fishing regs. in place for the dissabled.
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Post by rockintheocean on Dec 21, 2012 7:39:16 GMT -5
A W-2 ?,I only received a W-2 when I worked for an employer.I do recall being asked by my accountant if I had any income other then.Now they will say that the 300 dollars for your grandmas dining set is not enough to worry about claiming .Surly as it would probably cost Gov. more money to try and collect the taxes on it then what they would get anyway.Now if I was a subcontractor I would receive a 1090 to file my income . Now this will be my first year filing as self employed along with the 7 months of being employed.I know from an employee stand point ,and filing through the unemployment website that for each week I did not work for my former employer I had to file ,or report on line .In those set of questions that I and everyone else has to answer ,one question is asked "did you work at any time during this period,even if for self.Also stated that it did not matter if you earned any money working for yourself.They define self employed work as even just answering a phone or making a call as work.For example I use a service that sends me the phone number to potential customers looking for my services.After I receive that call (work) then make the call to try and sell my service(work )it will cost me money from the charge by the company whom provides this service to the phone bill of the phone that I used to make the call.Even if I do not get the job (which happens ) they say I still worked. I really didn't care if I received unemployment or not .I was fired/laid off as after the meeting I was told I will be called back as soon as there was more work.I know there is work as my brother who still works there tells me ,my ex-brother in law whom I got the job for ,is still working . If not for the letter from unemployment about me being self employed and that I stand to gain from it in the future ,I would have taken it to court.I would have won for sure. Instead the state claims I work ,anybody who earns money that can be counted as income is working.When you do your taxes at the end of the year is when you find out if you made any money (profit) or loss.This is what I'm waiting for ,but also taking classes to again gain employment just in case I have not or this type of business is not working for me. Simplified ,unemployment does not care if you are making money right there and then or if you don't make any money in the end .Just like the employers who run a tight ship and keep the employee who has lost his employment which ever way in being able to collect .Same as the Gov. ,they will do everything to keep you from getting it .
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Post by rockintheocean on Dec 21, 2012 7:46:11 GMT -5
tmc> No sales tax ,I just sent in my third quarter in sales tax that I have to collect as the work I do is a taxable service.Are you saying that fur is a nontaxable item in NYS?
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Post by snoeblind on Dec 21, 2012 8:43:51 GMT -5
Great post Tim.
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Post by herm on Dec 21, 2012 11:25:41 GMT -5
I have payed income tax on some of my bigger years coon hunting with the Professoinal Kennel Club.Everyone needs to watch it on the income tax becouse once OBama Care kicks in it will be easier for them to catch more people that owe income taxes.A friend of mine that was self employed but incorporated his busness shut it down for the winter.Everyone who worked for him was able to collect unemployment except for him becouse they said he laid himself off.This did not set to well with him as the state required him to pay for unemployment insurance for everyone including on himself. The IRS has a tendency to determine many activities a hobby rather than a business if they do not make money 2 out of 5 yrs.However as far as collecting unemployment if you are ingaged in trapping is a different matter.
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Post by nightstalker1 on Dec 21, 2012 11:57:51 GMT -5
I'll bet he wishes he never posted this
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