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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 16:04:18 GMT -5
Hate to say it guys but I just had this conversation with an ECO this week when he was tagging my fisher. Here's the senario I gave him. My adopted son turns 12 on March 9th and we have not been able to get him into a training course in the time since he was adopted. Can he run with me in the spring as long as he does not actively trap? His response was, If he is with you on the line he IS participating in the act of trapping and would be ticketed as such. Sorry, but that's right from the horse's mouth. Real fine law enforcement who would ticket a father taking his son on the line. I'd have his ass if he ticketed me and my 7 year old. On a platter.
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Post by atraper on Dec 15, 2012 16:56:14 GMT -5
TO TRAP- means to take ,kill or capture wildlife with traps, deadfalls and other devices commonly used to take wildlife, including the shooting or killing of lawfully trapped animals.It also includes ALL related activities , as placing, setting, staking or checking traps or ASSISTING another person with these activities. IT's BS.... The car ride is not assisting you, the hunt starts when YOU are a field. Not on ,or in a vehicle. The ECO's sometimes get it wrong. atraper
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Post by milkie62 on Dec 16, 2012 6:12:29 GMT -5
Befor you buy a conoe make sure the sale woman has a trapping license lol this thead has gotten out of control. Every ECO opinion is going to be different . So when and if you get stopped just explain and hope for the best . Thats the problem.OPINIONS ! Depending how the ECO feels determines the outcome of your situation.
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Post by atraper on Dec 16, 2012 11:41:59 GMT -5
NO . The eco's have to go by the letter of the LAW. What they think is not always RIGHT. You have to stand up for your selfs.
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Post by austinp on Dec 16, 2012 17:05:42 GMT -5
When your wife drops you off to hunt back to your house ,she very well knows what your up to and agreed to help you do it. No need to be a lawyer ,just need to know how to read. what if you hire a taxi-cab to drop you off? how about a friendly neighbor or elderly relative? what if they give you a ride to the parking lot and drop you off there to supposedly hunt, and the cab driver or elderly relative is not licensed to hunt? then what? this ain't a matter of reading... it is comprehension. The act of hunting begins when said participant reaches legal hunting land and loads the weapon. It doesn't freakin' start a half mile up the road when any random person drops the aspiring hunter off good Lord almighty... any ticket in court that charged your wife with unlicensed hunting because she dropped you off along the road while wearing her bathrobe and slippers would be laughed out of court... at best.
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Post by austinp on Dec 16, 2012 17:07:43 GMT -5
Real fine law enforcement who would ticket a father taking his son on the line. I'd have his ass if he ticketed me and my 7 year old. On a platter. ECOs can write all the tickets they want... but until those tickets hold up in court, they are nothing more than unused toilet paper ECOs aren't the law, nor are they ever the best source for inquiry on interpreting the law.
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Post by walshy0913 on Dec 16, 2012 17:12:57 GMT -5
x2 to that austinp
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Post by herm on Dec 17, 2012 7:10:50 GMT -5
I know of one ECO who has stated, I would arrest my own mother if she was braking the law no matter what.I have to say that I agree with this ECO.His job is to inforce the law.Ours is to try to get the law changed if we do not like it.That is what we did with the youth mentoring trapping law.That same year it should have been done also with a companion youth mentoring hunting bill like the trapping bill.I am sure it would have sailed right through with the trapping bill that Dave Miller pushed but wanted the hunting bill introduced by someone else.It was to be sent to the NYSCC by the Wayne Co. Federation of Sportsman Clubs delegate to the Council Kieth Youngs.Dispite paying the expenceses for him to attend the Council he never turned the proposal in which we never learned until the next year.
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Post by snoeblind on Dec 17, 2012 7:29:19 GMT -5
From what I have witnessed in my 30 years in the field ECO's are generally not very forgiving. They can and will issue a citation for anything under the sun if they think they can. Although this thread has gotten a little crazy it is better to play it safe if there is any doubt. I agree with you herm, it is their job to enforce the law but any decent law enforcement officer has the ability to use discretion and common sense when applying the law. The ones that do not are not doing justice to the badge or position they hold.
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Post by rockintheocean on Dec 17, 2012 8:10:29 GMT -5
There is much more serious stuff going on right now to worry about.I hear that at least on our local news channel they are bashing the NRA for not commenting or giving even their condolences to the victims survivors of this unthinkable tragedy in Conn.
I wish all of you the best in the Field .I hope the ECO's that enforce your areas are like the one I met yesterday.Again I had to offer up my license after he asked if we were duck hunting and we said no trapping .He went right in to a conversation with us about how he has his trapping license and that he has seen plenty of fox around these days.I don't even think he would have asked for our licenses if I didn't ask if he wanted to see them .He did tell me that we were the fist trappers he ran into .The only other time he has trapping issues is when he finds an animal in a trap or steps on one .He said every time no tags on traps. I think this extra stuff we are getting into on this tread is trivial .There are much worse offenses happening for the ECO's to deal with then if someone is dropped off to hunt/trap .or if your kid is with you as an observer.
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Post by snoeblind on Dec 17, 2012 8:28:38 GMT -5
Rockin, Agreed, good post .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 9:19:24 GMT -5
What's the NRA gonna say?
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Post by rockintheocean on Dec 17, 2012 16:01:10 GMT -5
I would hope ,something that any normal person group or organization would say,offer their condolences.But that's not the point .This person obviously had some mental or emotional issues that someone didn't do enough to stop it. I mean on a physiological level not on a gun control level.Maybe some things can be done to make it harder for this type of person to get hold of anything that could cause mass injury or death.Even a car that can be driven through a crowd. It sickens me when they turn the blame on an instrument and not look at the real issues.Keep in mind I'm not really a big fan of AR's or seeing a reason for having to have a weapon that is capable of discharging more rounds that are really necessary to hunt or protect yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 16:11:26 GMT -5
I don't think he would have been able to kill 26 people with a knife.
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Post by skunkman on Dec 17, 2012 18:33:02 GMT -5
I don't think he would have been able to kill 26 people with a knife. He was described as being extremely intelligent,if he could not have obtained a firearm, would he have possibly pulled off a Timothy Mcviegh type bomb and killed more ? Bad people are going to do bad things.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 12:43:11 GMT -5
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Post by herm on Dec 18, 2012 12:51:27 GMT -5
The trapping part no problem.The hunting part still would not be legal if the youth is under the age of 12. The NYS Houndsmen have been working with the DEC and last year it became legal for a youth under 12 to enter a licensed field trail,provided that the host has applied for and been granted a license to conduct field trials,but as far as a youth under the age of 12 going along hunting other than that they still can not legally do it.
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