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Post by mole on Aug 5, 2006 16:43:59 GMT -5
Debbie and I have attended two NTA conventions,both in Syracuse NY. Is there any plans in the future of having another in this state? Ed
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Post by charlielambjr on Aug 5, 2006 16:47:10 GMT -5
ed we discused it , and it comes down to where would we have it. it will not be at syracuse again
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Post by mole on Aug 5, 2006 16:50:10 GMT -5
OK How about Frankfort? FTA had one there. or STAR LAke ;D
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Post by Itrapny on Aug 5, 2006 17:24:22 GMT -5
They had asked about Buffalo but once again the trapper sin this great state wouldn't give enough support to give them the warm fuzzy they were looking for. If we can get 50-100 people to volunteer to set-up, work and tear down, we may have a shot at either the NTA or a NE NTA. Until then, I don't see it happening.
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Post by charlielambjr on Aug 5, 2006 21:29:05 GMT -5
nta north i could see sooner, just my htoughts there is a list of things you have to have booth space motel rooms vendor space and all plus man power is a big thing as wayne stated, but that holds tru at and thing lack of man or woman power
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Post by nightowl on Aug 6, 2006 8:16:41 GMT -5
I talked to a ranking NTA official at the PTA show last month. As a whole ( his words ) the regional conventions are a disappointment Attendence is terrible and sooner or later dealers are going to drop out. There were a total of 4 tailgaters at the NE regional this year. If we are going to try to rally the troops for a convention I wouldn't settle for a regional. Go for the big deal. I know being a dealer I look at things differently than someone just showing up for a good time but in Pennsylvania there were over 225 tailgaters alone for their state show and NYSTA will have great attendence too. There were over 2,500 that went through the gates in PA as compare to about 250 for the NE regional. I'm a proud and supporting member of the NTA but the hype for the reionals does not match the results. Buffalo sounds great to me for an NTA and the NTA loves having their conventions near the BIG THREE trapping states of NY,PA,OH so here's hoping it can be worked out!
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Post by Scottthetrapper on Aug 6, 2006 9:53:34 GMT -5
Then let's take the bull by the horns and get one there. As stated the #1 reason for not having one here is the amount of work needed to pull it off. Meaning we need the man power that can volunteer their time to pull this together. We need a lot more man power than those that post here or work the NYSTA Convention. I tried to get NYSTA represented at the Great NYS Fair and was told that it would be OK if I did, but with the exception of a couple of others I would be manning it myself. Kind of fizzled out. This needs planning and guarantees by those willing and wanting to make it happen. I will be willing to vonunteer my time to make it happen. Let's get the NTA back in NY.
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Post by bballou on Aug 6, 2006 10:37:32 GMT -5
Scott: Please put me on your list to help get the NTA back in N.Y.------- There we only need 148 more bodies. --------- Look at our own convention to date, I think we have only picked up 2 or 3 new faces over the great bunch we had last year. Scott at least we can both still dream. BILL
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Post by charlielambjr on Aug 6, 2006 11:55:22 GMT -5
whrer the ne regional was held had alot to do with the amount of people that should up i think ,just my htoughts i understand where jim is coming from as a vendor you need peopel to show up . as for ed thinking frankfort its to small to hold a national.
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Post by mole on Aug 6, 2006 12:04:31 GMT -5
As I said before FTA had one at Frankfort. Thats not really important. Over the years; NYSTA has been one of the largest contributors to the NTA. I believe this alone should account for some consideration. Why not Albany; the capitol where our politicians are Hello
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Post by nightowl on Aug 6, 2006 12:30:07 GMT -5
Charlie, The version I got was anything further north than LaPlata Maryland was too much $$$ for the NTA to rent a place therefore no profits in the end. The regionals are all about being a fund raiser for the NTA which is great. But it starts to deteriorate when there are more vendors than people attending. Then the vendors stop coming, no vendors = less attendence which= less profits for the NTA. It becomes a social event for a few to gather drink and hang out together but not pick up many supplies. Having said all that. We sat at the Saturday night auction and watched as a twelve pack of beer was bid up to $75.00 and sent through the auction several ( 3 or 4 )more times yet most of the vendors didn't even make table or gas money back all weekend. I agree a different setting might make a little difference but I have yet to see one regional convention that draws well. Your Oswego convention and Wayne's convention combined might well outdraw a regional which has the power of the NTA attached to the title. It was a well intended idea to reach out to NTA and non but potential NTA memebers in areas that don't have Nationals close to them but having it so early in the year is another set back to overcome. Many of the states that have great stae conventions don't want to see their organizations profits take a nose dive because of a dual convention either. Both times the National was in Syracuse the NYSTA for intents and purposes didn't even have a show other than a get together to follow the bylaws. The ball is rolling to gather volunteers that's a good first step.
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Post by Itrapny on Aug 6, 2006 12:40:12 GMT -5
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Post by mole on Aug 6, 2006 12:47:36 GMT -5
There lies a problem; 160 members maybe 6 can at least say Hello
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Post by brushwolf on Aug 6, 2006 19:10:07 GMT -5
Put me on the list Scott. I am willing to help out.
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Post by wmthrower on Aug 7, 2006 9:37:16 GMT -5
Charlie, why won't the convention be in Syracuse again? I was not involved with trapping then and don't really know the history. It is centrally located and there are certainly a number of places to stay.
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Post by charlielambjr on Aug 7, 2006 13:10:54 GMT -5
well it came down to there was no campin no stqkes could be driven into the ground alot of no's , plus the few camp grounds were a ways away. just alot of hassle ./
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Post by trapperjim on Aug 8, 2006 21:24:45 GMT -5
i replyed to that help post to help set up, gotta man my own booth too
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Post by Itrapny on Aug 12, 2006 8:28:23 GMT -5
You know folks......This is why the NTA will probably NEVER come to NY. Out of over 160 people on this site alone, less than 10 people are willing to give even 1/2 a day to help host a convention. Nuff said
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Post by anders on Aug 12, 2006 16:07:00 GMT -5
I could give a couple days help. :)Andy
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Post by traphead on Aug 12, 2006 18:29:51 GMT -5
heck ill work the whole dang convention if it gets um back here!!had a ball at the last syracuse conv.and was at frankfort when nyst held the joint one with the fta.work at both as well as the nta down in pa.
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Post by pockets on Aug 12, 2006 18:35:52 GMT -5
Itrapny, not all the members on this site are from the northern zone. For some of us it is quite a drive to attend any of these functions. The nysta convention would have to be an overnight trip for some of us and at $ 3.13 a gallon ( right now) it starts to get costly. I am in steuben county one of the largest in the state and we haven't even had a trapping course available for the last three years!!!!! I really enjoy this site and check it regularly to see what everybody is up to. I have learned quite a bit from all you guys. I trapped alot when i was in school but just got back into it about three years ago. I don't really have alot to offer as far as tips but enjoy reading what everyone else has to say. I would like to see some events down this direction but understand that there may not be the interest that you have in the northern zone. As far as getting people to volunteer you really need to have solid dates in order for people to commit to. JMHO. pockets
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Post by Itrapny on Aug 12, 2006 18:48:27 GMT -5
The NTA wants a solid commitment from the state organization before they will even condsider holding a national convention here. With that commitment comes a lot of people willing to volunteer some time to help with set-up, tear-down, working the gate, etc. I understand that gas is high and not everyone can get away all the time but other state organizations pull this off quite often why can't we? As far as not having a trapper training course in your area, that is becoming a bigger problem across the state. The easiest way to fix that is to become an instructor as I have, it is a small price to pat for helping keep trappping alive for future generations to come. I know that there will be a Fur-Fin-Feathers Rendezvous in Canisteo, NY on the 9th & 10th of September at the Rotary Park.
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Post by pockets on Aug 12, 2006 18:57:58 GMT -5
Itrapny, thanks for the info about the canisteo rendezvou i did not know about it. I Just started new job not sure if i would have the time to commit to being an instructor. I think we have someone to give the course but he doesn't even advertise it. We talked to this guy because we had heard that he did it in the past. We will have to wait and see if he really does do it.
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Post by herm on Aug 13, 2006 9:27:59 GMT -5
Just something to think about.A national org.such as the NTA looks at NY and can see that an event held in NY would be much better of geographical wise if it was to be in held Western NY as that is closer to the nations population base.Now think back to the NYSTA meetings.It is plain to see at most meetings the western part of the state is poorly represented as many of the represenitives do not show up at the meetings.Also many of the western counties do not even have a rep. Now look at where the Herkimer Fairgrounds is located in the state on a map.If you were to take Long Island out of the equation the center of the state would be around Syracuse.Could this be the reason that the western part of the state is not there.The high price that gas is currently going for will only make things worse.Herkimer is a great place for the convention but wouldnt the meetings be better attended if they were to be held in the center of the state.
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Post by herm on Aug 13, 2006 20:18:52 GMT -5
Does any one know why camping was not allowed at the State Fairgrounds during the NTA convention?Has any one ever seen the place during Super Dirt Week?The place is full of campers.
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