cooper67
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Post by cooper67 on Oct 3, 2009 17:36:18 GMT -5
i bow hunt ,gun hunt , trap , muzzle load, if i rember right bow hunting started out as long bow or recurve, if you go back to Europe back in the middle ages crosbows were invented before compound bows & guns, i lost a area to trap this year because a bow hunter lost a arrow in a field & the farmer found it in his tire while haying this year.i do bow hunt take dear with bow, talked to people that shoot deer in ohio with crossbows you still pull a trigger like you do when you shoot a bow, compound bows now days are capably of killing deer out to 60 yards with speeds at 300 fps plus, people who shoot crossbows same thing people should think about the facts, crossbows have been around for 1000s of years compoundsfor less than 30 years bow hunters should remember this next time they bit-- moan & complain. real bow season was made as a sport for outdoors man yo get out in woods with primitive weapons as with muzzle loaders now there is inlines why dont bow hunters & gun hunters learn to get a long & fight for rights to be able to hunt with any weapon because the day will come and all our weapons will be taken or be like canada can only use them how our government lets us cooper67!
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Post by flatiron on Oct 3, 2009 18:58:55 GMT -5
Cooper , I'll argue some facts w/ ya on crossbows ! yep been around for so you say 1000's of years BUT what was the purpose of them ? not for hunting ! they were used to penetrate the chain armour of the warriors they fought and to be used by people who could shoot one of them BUT not a longbow ! They were also used by the blue bloods and royalty for hunting as they(the afore mentioned ) had no skill what so ever w/ a real bow . They weren't hunting weapons ! in the day of the crossbow -------they were the weapon of destruction ! Don't get me started on this one ---------you crossbow lovers -----------those much too lazy or willing to put the time in w/ a real bow . The guys that want these are the guys who like to pick up the thing the week before the season and go shoot a deer . The same type that think shooting big buck makes the thingy grow larger!
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cooper67
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oswego county trappers ,nysta,jefferson county
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Post by cooper67 on Oct 4, 2009 9:21:11 GMT -5
von not trying to make people get mad , just realize the new compound bows they shoot know days have 80% let offs, shoot carbon arrows, state of the art releases, shoot arrows over 3oo fps plus , most people i know like your self as you are getting older , harder to pull back a bow, my father wanted to bow hunt 20 years ago when started bow hunting, but because of working pipe line as pipe fitter could not pull bow back because of pinched nerves in his neck, he could not pull bow back caused to much pain why should people not have that choice, even newer bows he can not pull back & hold so he can not hunt earlier in season because of this.all i can say with new bows on the market not much difference than a crossbow.
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Post by flatiron on Oct 4, 2009 14:31:32 GMT -5
hey , ya need that saying both front and back!Why don't we give this croassbow thing a rest ! BUT if ya don't want to I can give many arguments against it. I belong to the oldest archery club in the state . We had a shoot today so I put out a questinare on the table where you sign up , the results were from 60 shooters who took the time to fill it out ---------ALL 60 , COMPOUND AND TRADITIONAL BOTH WANT NOTHING TO DO W? THE CROSSBOW! the other 8 were too lazy to fill it out OR were people who would like to be LAZY CROSSBOW HUNTERS . Share a season w/ the crossbow ? IMO and many others we think NOT! The sport of archery was put into the state by real archers ( I had the honor of knowing two of them ) and they would roll over in their graves knowing about the likes of you taking from what they worked so hard for . They didn't have any political power or the money of the crossbow manufactures behind them . AND THAT ISN"T A MIS SPELLING IN THE SECOND SENTENCE EITHER !
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Post by mike06 on Oct 4, 2009 16:52:56 GMT -5
Most folks today are just lazy. Easier is better. If it can't be done with a push of a button, with instant results, it ain't worth doing. (Hence the crossbow supporters.) Crossbow is a gun. It gets shouldered, has a scope, and a trigger is pulled. They should be legal during the gun season. Wonder how many would leave the gun in the cabinet to weild the mighty crossbow??
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Post by flatiron on Oct 4, 2009 17:46:21 GMT -5
Well said Mike , I can picture it now ------------sign up for our new crossbow club ;D ;D we'd see how far that one goes .
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Post by mike06 on Oct 4, 2009 18:29:17 GMT -5
frwo25 "It is like a gun" is not based on opinion, feeling, or emotion. I've shot my share of crossbows down in Florida, and with the exception of range, they are just like a firearm, and leaps beyond a bow. Crossbows are very lethal, and do the job very well, I havn't seen anyone dispute that point, so I don't know why you bring it up? Again, legalize them for use during gun season. Oh, by the way, all I use is a pistol during gun season. It has a scope and a trigger, much like a crossbow. During archery, I use a bow. frwo25, do you own stock in Excaliber? Mike06
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2009 20:55:30 GMT -5
what the hell ya need a cross bow for just be like all the testosterone horn huntin junkies down here and shoot them during bow season with a gun and stick an arrow in them for bragging rights cause they are too frustrated from seeing lots of deer and not getting a shot . crossbows are like shooting a gun not much skill involved once it is sited in.
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Oct 5, 2009 7:57:07 GMT -5
Gun, bow, MZ, crossbow...what's the difference? It's all about body counts
The quality of deer hunting in NYS has been gone since the '80's.
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Post by trappermac on Oct 5, 2009 8:11:38 GMT -5
Gotta love the passion here......... Frwo - you keep making the point - "seperate crossbow season"....that's fine, personally I see no problem with that as long as it does not interfere with the regular bow season, and I'm probably speaking for many bowhunters when I say that. The regular bow season was established to provide a primitive method of taking deer, and yeah, you're right, compounds can get pretty high tech these days (those are the reasons I went back to shooting longbows, to make "fair chase"). But they still require the shooter to draw the bow (make movement that can be seen) when the animal approaches, not sit there just taking aim like rifles, shotguns, etc. There is a difference, you've missed that part in an earlier post. As for your remarks; At the end of the day, who cares how the hole was punched in a deer... bullet, bolt, arrow, round ball, it is a dead deer. As long as the kill is humane, fair chase, and during a legal season. As far as I know, a deer don't taste any different depending on projectile that killed it Then why not just go to the local supermarket and buy your meat? Truly, I hope this is not what we've become as hunters in this state that the only thing that matters is venison in the freezer rather than the quality, the challenge, and memories of the hunt. This seems to be the mindset these days, we want bigger racks, bigger trucks, bigger ATV's, and bigger and badder weapons. We owe wildlife more respect than that.
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Post by mike73 on Oct 5, 2009 12:27:22 GMT -5
Allow crossbows during gun season.....everybody's happy. Why not? Mike73
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Post by flatiron on Oct 5, 2009 15:26:37 GMT -5
Mike , thias fellow not only wants crossbows but a special crossbow season ! The deer seasons are way too long as is and we have another group wanting another season ! jeeeez ! Hunt during the gun season or late archery muzzleloader season .
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Post by mike06 on Oct 5, 2009 17:23:32 GMT -5
Hey frwo25, I thought you were done with no hard feeling? ;D ;D Couldn't leave it alone, could ya?? Thats OK, we'll all be stalking deer and trapping in a couple weeks anyhow, then we can share hunting stories. Mike06
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Post by Issiah on Oct 7, 2009 8:42:18 GMT -5
This exact subject just came up with a customer / ex class mate. His father use to Bow hunt, but is unable to because of physical ailments. He doesn't see any reason why Crossbows couldn't be allowed during Archery season. I told him that pulling a Bow back while a deer is approaching (W/ Adrenaline Pumpin) isn't easy to do. Doing it w/o being detected then being able to make an accurate shot with one's strength is what archery is all about. Using a crossbow would be an unfair advantage. It is more like a gun. The harshest thing I said to him was that not being able to pull a bow back, because of age or injury, "IS Life". I told him it was kinda like a Bleeding Heart Liberal Issue that wanted to make everything Nice, Nice for everybody. Life's not like that... We agreed to disagree. That said; I think it would be FUN to try and get a Deer with a Crossbow. If sound deer management can use it further as a tool (Deer herd needs to be thinned further); then a seperate season would be FUN. Maybe the best compromise for now, would be to include them during the Muzzleloader or Reg Firearms Seasons. Just to use them for "FUN" like guys do Pistols...
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Post by trappermac on Oct 7, 2009 9:45:01 GMT -5
I agree, allow them during the gun season. You can use a bow, gun, muzzleloader, pistol - during gun season. I think a crossbow would be fine during that season. I know some guys who hunt with their longbows only for all three seasons (archery, gun, late). So yeah, if a guy wants to put down his gun and enter the woods during that season with a crossbow, fine.
As long as it stays in that season. That's what worries me, give an inch, they want a foot.
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Post by mike73 on Oct 7, 2009 11:47:02 GMT -5
Thats a terrific idea, but someone always has to have their slice of the pie.......... Mike73
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Post by zippythecoon on Nov 23, 2009 19:12:20 GMT -5
i have problems with my elbow and shoulder.....can't pull my bow . i'd love to be able to use a crossbow. i see no reason why we shouldn't be able to.
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Post by bogmonster on Jan 18, 2010 22:41:15 GMT -5
I lost my trigger finger in a farming accident, can I use grenades during deer season? Crossbows are kind of neat but have no place in an archery season. If herd management is an issue they should extend the season and raise bag limits.
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