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Post by fingerlakesfur on Sept 20, 2006 9:26:15 GMT -5
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Post by Itrapny on Sept 20, 2006 11:30:22 GMT -5
I notice it says that it's odarless & tasteless, have you tried it on K-9's in the past?
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Sept 20, 2006 12:03:53 GMT -5
Yes, many times Wayne. I do it all the time. Still prefer waxed dirt, but this is the next best thing.
Learned this from one of my fishing partners, Ray Petrunich, the inventor of the Trappers Cap. Great guy.....doesn't mind you picking his brain......used to be Russ Carman's partner.
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Post by Itrapny on Sept 20, 2006 12:57:17 GMT -5
Thanks Dale. I've think I've read a few of his article's back in the 80's, the name sounds familar.
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Sept 20, 2006 13:24:24 GMT -5
I'm sure you have........was big in the PTA.........used to own and operate Trapline Specialties out of Scranton in the '80'S.........great fisherman also.
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Post by brushwolf on Sept 21, 2006 20:18:09 GMT -5
I met ray back in the late 80s,seemed like a real nice guy. Mineral oil is one item i have never used to weather proof dirt. How much would you add to say a gallon of dry dirt?
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Post by walkonwater on Sept 22, 2006 5:59:03 GMT -5
Interesting tip. I have never heard that one before.
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Sept 22, 2006 8:12:38 GMT -5
Brush, It varies, I've never used a pre-measured amount. One gallon gets me about 2-5 gal pails of dirt.
I realize waxed dirt is more economical volume wise....but as I stated earlier, this works in a pinch.
Mineral oil is just liquid parafin......they use it in those wet candle looking things.
Dale
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Sept 22, 2006 9:23:40 GMT -5
Funny Story:
Told this to another trapper one time.........he went and mixed dirt with Mineral Spirits.......basically he mixed his dirt with paint thinner. Doesn't have the desired affect when trapping canines......imagine the dirt was waterproof though.
Remember Mineral Oil not Spirits.
Dale
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Post by scentpost on Oct 7, 2006 19:05:02 GMT -5
I have known Ray Petrunich for years, lived around the corner from him for quite sometime when in PA, ....Billy Morgan, was a trapping buddy of mine...wish I knew how he was doing these days.... Anyway, what you need to get is Propylene Glycol ....you can buy it cheap by the gallon, ...usually about $20 a gallon. you can carry a squirt bottle of this on the line and mix dirt right at the set.....This stuff is freeze proof and odorless. I usually have some pre sifted dirt I carry when weather is getting below freezing...I mix it up at home and I would say for the small mid size coal pail use about 4 ounces....if that is not enough and you see your set freezes overnite, just put some in a spray bottle and fog your set....it will look slightly wet but it does not bother the animals.... You can also add this Propylene Glycol to your Red fox urine to make it freeze proof and also preserve it and also carries odor farther.... Hope this helps. Andy Federico
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Oct 10, 2006 13:30:08 GMT -5
Spent a good part of yesterday with Ray. Putting up our boats for the winter, talked trapping ALLLLLLLL DAYYYYYYYY!
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Post by nyfur on Oct 10, 2006 20:03:22 GMT -5
where can you buy the stuff? Great tip!!!!
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Post by mole on Oct 13, 2006 20:41:42 GMT -5
scentpost, are you using the Glycol pure or are you mixing it with water? Thanks Ed
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Post by scentpost on Oct 15, 2006 15:15:21 GMT -5
Hey Fingerlakesfur....Glad to know you but who are you. My name is Andy Federico, I used to go over Rays house in Scranton, about every day for a while and Billy Morgan was a great friend of mine but when I moved years back we all lost contact. Do you know Billy or where he is? Thanks and Glad to meet you! Andy Spent a good part of yesterday with Ray. Putting up our boats for the winter, talked trapping ALLLLLLLL DAYYYYYYYY!
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Post by scentpost on Oct 15, 2006 15:21:05 GMT -5
The best way is pure....But I would say unless your buying it by the Gallon then you might want to just use it sparingly...I presift some dry dirt and in the winter when the temps drop below freezing I mix it in with the dry dirt and after I dig my trap bed...I will use some dry glycoled dirt in the bed and then over tarp....that way I use as little as possible. You can mix with some water to stretch, but that will only weaken the effect....I would say only pure. Andy scentpost, are you using the Glycol pure or are you mixing it with water? Thanks Ed
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Post by scentpost on Oct 15, 2006 15:25:44 GMT -5
Well, I just did a quick Google search, and you can buy this stuff.... www.chemistrystore.com/propylene_glycol.htmOr, you should actually buy it from your local trapping supply dealer....support them as they really do alot to keep trapping alive! Andy where can you buy the stuff? Great tip!!!!
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Post by fingerlakesfur on Oct 17, 2006 10:18:11 GMT -5
as i mentioned before mineral oil is an alternative to glycol.........also mineral oil will completely WEATHERPROOF your dirt......ie. waterproof....ie. the title to my thread.
glycol is an antifreeze only.
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Post by Rick on Oct 18, 2006 17:48:33 GMT -5
Scentpost, I've used glycol in a spray bottle...never tried pre-mixing it with dry dirt.
Won't I get Mud?
Rick.
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Post by scentpost on Oct 19, 2006 15:16:25 GMT -5
I mix it in a bucket, and just mix in enough to make the dirt coated...start with about a 2 gallon pail of presifted dirt and add 4 ounces of glycol...you can always add a little more at set if need be. I only use this in the deep freeze weather....I like a pail of good dry dirt with me, for when you find that perfect spot with less than perfect setting dirt....then I just use my own...Hope this helps. Andy
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Post by rustytrap on Dec 31, 2006 7:30:58 GMT -5
don't want to sound stupid but could someone tell me how to make waxed dirt
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Post by Itrapny on Dec 31, 2006 8:49:13 GMT -5
No questions are stupid ;D To make waxed dirt you start with dry dirt, this can be dried in the sun during the Summer or collected from under old buildings, bridges. etc., then get yourself some flake wax. This can be purchased from different trapping supply dealers that advertise in FFG & TPC, maybe even locally. You need to mix the flake wax with the dirt and then set it out in the sun on a board where the wax actually melts and mixes with the dirt coating it with a thin coat of wax that will repel water. You need to do this in the Summer during a spell of dry weather, although I have heard of a couple people using an oven to get the same results. Ant hill dirt has a natural water repellent in it and many people use it as well.
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Post by rustytrap on Dec 31, 2006 12:24:16 GMT -5
thank you very helpful
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Post by vietvet50 on Nov 20, 2007 13:09:36 GMT -5
sometimes You can get good dry dirt under a blowdown root or old stump. Just a thought.
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Post by coyoteblitz on Mar 25, 2008 20:13:15 GMT -5
So I could get some mineral oil, put it in a spray bottle, then when I make my trap bed spray that, then when I bed the trap spray it, then when I blend everyting in spray it over it all and everything will be weahter proofed?, right?
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Post by rustytrap on Mar 26, 2008 21:26:20 GMT -5
i think i'm going to try the weatherproof dirt this summer thanks for the instructions wayne
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