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Post by TrapWorks on Jan 10, 2009 7:22:44 GMT -5
Hi all, another question.
When using lures do you find you mainly catch that target species or do you catch 'extra' too?
What I mean in general is if I scent up for a fox will a domestic cat stay away?
If you scent up for coyote's do you still get red fox, bobcats, etc?
Cheers all
T
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Post by Itrapny on Jan 10, 2009 7:40:21 GMT -5
Any lure (well not any lure) will attract a number a different animals. I've caught red fox in the same set the next day after catching coyotes and have even caught them with coyote gland lure/urine, so it's more of a curiosity factor then. I'm not a lure maker, but basically, lures fall into either food, curiosity or mating and all will work on other animals.
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Post by TrapWorks on Jan 10, 2009 13:59:43 GMT -5
Thanks for that but it lets me down slightly. I am hoping to find a lure that will attract foxes but keep other animals away. Obviously we don't have coyote or big cats here, but I don't want a domestic accident when attracting foxes.
Cheers
T
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Post by Itrapny on Jan 10, 2009 14:21:23 GMT -5
You can use a sweet smelling lure or bait, it won't be nearly as attractive to the domestics, while still work decently on the fox. Gray fox are suckers for sweets, but I don't believe you have them over in the UK, just reds right?
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Post by jdpaint on Jan 10, 2009 16:01:41 GMT -5
maybe castor, the universal attractant
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Post by TrapWorks on Jan 10, 2009 17:23:36 GMT -5
You mean castor oil jdpaint?
Yep Wayne, no greys here just reds.
Since the hunt has been outlawed (horses and hounds) the number of reds has risen quite dramatically, a lot of foxes are now urbanized and not really that shy.
Most foxes in the UK now die of mange or traffic collision.
It's sad to see such things, as although we regard them as vermin I don't like to see anything suffer and it is mans own fault.
We are a small island and getting smaller all the time, soon there will be very little wilderness left for healthy animals to live in.
As I'm sure some of you know we had an outbreak of foot and mouth disease a couple of years back, so due to restrictions on movement for both livestock and humans on contaminated farms, no moles, foxes, or other vermin were treated. Since then we have had a boom in such things as well as rats, etc.
Anyway thanks for the replies guys.
T
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Post by Itrapny on Jan 10, 2009 17:30:04 GMT -5
He's speaking about castor from beavers, unfortunatly it will attract cats & dogs just about as quick as foxes. I would definatly try to stick with something sweeter or just blind runs
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Post by johnrockwood on Jan 11, 2009 10:05:27 GMT -5
Not much of anything I can think of that would be consistantly attractive to foxes that wouldn't also attract domestics (cats & dogs). I definitely wouldn't use beaver castor as it is one of the most attractive smells there is for bobcats so it can only be assumed that domestic cats would be just as curious. When I come in from my shop after putting up fur, doesn't matter what species, our cat is more interested in all the smells on my hands and clothes than the dog is ! Maybe Night Owl would have some suggestions ?
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Post by TrapWorks on Jan 11, 2009 11:39:24 GMT -5
OK guys thanks for the replies so far.
One other point then. If I use fox urine or gland is that more likely to keep oher species away such as domestic cats?
All the best
T
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Post by Itrapny on Jan 11, 2009 11:41:05 GMT -5
Nope, fox urine makes a great rabbit lure by the way
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Post by flatiron on Jan 11, 2009 11:44:44 GMT -5
Dogs , cats , rabbits are all attracted to fox urine . If I had to pick ONE smell that would catch everything it would be -----------------Beaver castor .
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Post by jdpaint on Jan 11, 2009 11:59:51 GMT -5
Sorry about the castor thing , i will be quite.
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Post by Itrapny on Jan 11, 2009 12:07:40 GMT -5
No you won't! everyone is entitled to there opinion here ;D
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Post by mole on Jan 11, 2009 14:24:44 GMT -5
Hello, Something that may not be 100% but close to the avoidance issue is You make your set with all the good smells, lure,bait urine but NO TRAP. 10 feet away you make a nice fresh dirt hole set with NO lure bait urine JUST trap keep the dirt hole fresh looking NO Smells other than FREsH DIRT. Ed
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Post by TrapWorks on Jan 12, 2009 6:34:28 GMT -5
JDPaint, don't feel bad. All opinions are welcome and all advice is too. Well that narrows it down to no smells at all then! ;D It was just a thought. Mole, we in Britain are not allowed to trap, not in the same way as you are over in the States, but we are allowed what you call cable restraints (snares). All the best And thanks again. T
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Post by mole on Jan 12, 2009 14:23:58 GMT -5
Hello, I guess I missed the part of no traps. I apologies for the oversight. I am enjoying your participation here and truly hope you continue to visit us. Ed
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Post by TrapWorks on Jan 12, 2009 15:19:32 GMT -5
Thank you Mole, I enjoy this site tremendously, I am a member of some British forums but they are- how shall I put it - full of armchair enthusiasts who bicker and blow a lot of hot air, this site is not friendly, I like that.
I am going to put up a short 'how to' modify Pro Victor rat traps (if that's OK), so they can be used against squirrels. Quite illegal here as they have only been passed for rats and mice, nothing larger, the laws here are very strict. However, over there you may be able to use them legally against squirrels although I don't know.
The mods were put up on a British forum by a well known trapper and snareman over here. I use them myself against rats and they are quite lethal.
Anyone tell me which section the post should go in?
Thanks all
All the best
T
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Post by traps82 on Jan 12, 2009 21:33:41 GMT -5
I AM THINKING!! OUCH, That hurt!!! I am really trying to think something up...A friend just sent me a new lure of his and it is punchy to say the least. The dogs liked it, but the cats were all over the box. Had skunk and some other "good" and "unusal" stuff in there. So I am at a loss at this moment. I will keep "thinking"...
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Post by jdpaint on Jan 13, 2009 9:13:03 GMT -5
How about a plain redfox foot?
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Post by TrapWorks on Jan 13, 2009 15:21:52 GMT -5
It's a moot point anyway really, I was simply think of cage trapping foxes and not getting any unwanted visitors. When snaring you don't want any smells along the trail at all, the animals head needs to be inline with its body, if the nose is to the ground then you will miss it.
Cheers all
T
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Post by con on Jan 23, 2009 12:47:10 GMT -5
catch the cat, dispatch it, and voila! Bait!
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