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Post by walleyed on Oct 19, 2020 15:41:33 GMT -5
Looks like the Muskrat/Mink/Beaver Season Change Proposal will be back in the New York State Register here sometime between now and November 11th.
If a original rule proposal is resubmitted after it's initial listing in the New York State Register, It usually means there have been changes made to the original rule proposal & a 45 day comment period ensues with a chance to provide additional comment, or add new ideas during the comment period.
You Western New York Guys who got robbed when the JTI chair negotiated away your potential November 10th Muskrat opener in favor of a February 28th closing date would do well to work overtime submitting comments to over-ride and veto the late season closing date the NYSTA JTI Chair tried to ram through without taking into consideration the wishes of southern & western zone muskrat trappers.
Looks like we will be getting another chance to push for that November 10th muskrat opener. Lets make it Count, Western New York Trappers.
We'll keep you posted when the New Proposal hits the NYS register.
Stay tuned Brother Trappers.
walleyed
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Post by turtledale on Oct 19, 2020 17:05:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the update. Will have to send another email. I keep making my point via emails. I believe I'll get an address and write a letter next week.
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Post by erict on Oct 19, 2020 18:38:40 GMT -5
For those who don't know about the register but want to learn: "The New York State Register is the official journal of the New York state government that contains information on proposed regulations and rulemaking activities. The New York State Register is published weekly by the New York State Department of State's Division of Administrative Rules. The general and permanent regulations are compiled in the New York Codes, Rules and Regulations (NYCRR)." The Register can be found HERE and this is a SAMPLE of what proposed changes look like, this was located by searching for the word "muskrat". **THIS SAMPLE IS FROM 6/3/2020** If you choose the long route, choose "List of Register Issues > year > The week you are looking for > Rule Making Activities > the agency (Department of Environmental Conservation)"
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Post by trappermac on Oct 22, 2020 7:58:34 GMT -5
From what I am picking up on FB it looks like the season dates have been ammended. Not official yet until it appears in the registry, and should be updated at the dec website right after that. But right now looks like us southern zone guys will get the Nov 10th opener, and the change in some northern zones from Oct 25 to Nov 1st will happen also.
They will not post it yet as its too close to the Oct 25th opener up there and they don't want trappers getting in trouble with a late change. So it still opens on oct 25 up there this season. Its expected it will post on Nov 4th (apparently always on a Wed) which will allow the change for southern zone trappers this season. Since its an expanded opportunity they aren't worried about trappers getting in trouble on that one if they are not aware of the change.
Now its important to be aware that this is info I gathered on facebook, so don't accept as gospel until its posted in the registry and/or at the dec website. But some of the discussion was amongst those in the know. As well as a copy of a letter from the DEC to a sportsmans group which stated the season changes are amended and listed them as I described. I would assume the NYSTA got the same letter and could maybe chime in?
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Post by walleyed on Oct 22, 2020 11:02:10 GMT -5
So it sounds like you all you Southern/Western Zone guys will get the November 10th opener after all. Good deal.
Now trappers can start earlier, or hold off trapping according to their individual preferences and not have it mandated to us from one single JTI demigod.
The statement that the Northern Zone is opening on November 1st in some units seems to insinuate that other WMU's will retain an October 25th opener.
Is that how you read it, Mac ?
Can anyone cut, copy, and paste the letter or article from which Mac is referring to from facebook and post it on this thread for those of us who don't do the facebook thing ?
Sounds like some good news, and maybe evidence that participation in the process can yield some positive results when we stick up for our trapping rights, and don't allow a few to hijack the process.
walleyed
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Post by Zagman on Oct 22, 2020 12:25:55 GMT -5
Now you guys can help fight the southern deer season extension! LOL
MZ
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Post by trappermac on Oct 22, 2020 15:16:51 GMT -5
Bob, since I don't pay attention to the northern zone areas I don't know what the zones are. But the ammendment is basically done as proposed. That letter shows the areas moving to Nov opener from that Oct 25th opener are 5a,c,f,g,h,j 6a,c,f,g,h,j,k,n....and 7a.
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Post by walleyed on Oct 22, 2020 17:37:00 GMT -5
That letter shows the areas moving to Nov opener from that Oct 25th opener are 5a,c,f,g,h,j 6a,c,f,g,h,j,k,n....and 7a. Mac, Any idea who wrote that letter. That pretty much includes all the Northern Zone WMU's along with 7A which has always been included in the October 25th opener. That's a raw deal for all the Northern Zone Coastal Marsh trappers along Lake Ontario who will be losing their best week of Muskrat trapping if that's the case. I guess we'll just wait until the New York State Register is next published to know the accurate skinny on things. walleyed
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Post by walleyed on Oct 22, 2020 17:45:19 GMT -5
Now you guys can help fight the southern deer season extension! LOL MZ Instead of fighting against the QDMA and the Antler worshipers, wouldn't It be easier to lobby your NYSTA JTI Fur Team to negotiate an October 1st opener for Cayutes ? I'm sure after the bang up job Rockwood did advocating for us Northern Zone muskrat trappers representing our best interests, He'd be right behind you guys who want to expand your season for more fair weather coyote trapping. I'm certain he'd have your six, Mark. walleyed
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paintedpaw
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Post by paintedpaw on Oct 22, 2020 18:54:10 GMT -5
I will stand behind John Rockwood,NYSTA, and the JTI Committee. They have accomplished more for trapping in New York than you can ever dream. Your continual whining, attacking Rockwood, JTI, and NYSTA has turned this old fart off.
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Post by walleyed on Oct 22, 2020 19:39:53 GMT -5
I will stand behind John Rockwood,NYSTA, and the JTI Committee. They have accomplished more for trapping in New York than you can ever dream. Your continual whining, attacking Rockwood, JTI, and NYSTA has turned this old fart off. Sucks to be you, AL. Rockwood drew 1st blood when He called me a Liar on this forum. I'm simply returning the favor. And he is a Liar. w
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Post by trappermac on Oct 22, 2020 19:46:23 GMT -5
That letter shows the areas moving to Nov opener from that Oct 25th opener are 5a,c,f,g,h,j 6a,c,f,g,h,j,k,n....and 7a. Mac, Any idea who wrote that letter. That pretty much includes all the Northern Zone WMU's along with 7A which has always been included in the October 25th opener. That's a raw deal for all the Northern Zone Coastal Marsh trappers along Lake Ontario who will be losing their best week of Muskrat trapping if that's the case. I guess we'll just wait until the New York State Register is next published to know the accurate skinny on things. walleyed The letter was apparently from the DEC. I can't copy and paste from my phone. Maybe someone else can...its on NY Trappers FB site.
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paintedpaw
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Post by paintedpaw on Oct 23, 2020 21:35:10 GMT -5
I understand full well what you are saying,however I don't agree with your thinking. You have not hurt my feelings,I'm a bit tougher than that. It sure sounds like you are echoing the whiner in chief. I stand by what I said. The man that I backed has done far more for trapping in this state than most of us. He is a gentleman, honest, and dedicated. Trappers will never agree on everything, and that's a fact. You guys think you got screwed? I lost 16 days of fisher season, and when DEC shortened the season, thanks to one jackass, they shortened it on the wrong end How about those guys in the southern tier having to trap fisher in October because of some DEC idiot.Give me a break, none of us have it perfect.. I too was attacked over things like the 220 issue. It is too bad that guys like you can't see the forest for all of those trees.
P.S. For your information I'm voting for Trump.
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Post by markg on Oct 24, 2020 5:45:54 GMT -5
The DEC is gonna do what ever big Andrew says they are going to do. And like it or not there is little to be done about it. Why don’t you all agree to disagree and get back on the same side. I am bowing out for a bit and will check back in a month or so down the road to see if anyone is actually talking about trapping like they used to on this site Se ya
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paintedpaw
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Post by paintedpaw on Oct 24, 2020 7:56:50 GMT -5
That is the best suggestion. We do disagree, but we are accomplishing nothing. I for one am willing to drop the subject. Despite it's faults NYSTA is what to protect New York trapping.. We should be working together to make the organization stronger. I too have criticisms about NYSTA. If you notice I did introduce a subject recently regarding trapping.We need to put this to bed and move on.
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