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Post by bluetickboy on Oct 5, 2020 7:25:51 GMT -5
Please email your opinions to: WildlifeRegs@dec.ny.gov before the comment period ends on 11/8.
Mr. Hurst, As a trapper, and a hound hunter, I am very much opposed to this proposal. I am 57 years old and have deer hunted since I was 16. In my opinion, the deer season is too long as it is. After the first two week of gun season, there is hardly anyone still hunting. As a trapper, my season is shortened because of deer hunters who either own or lease land or who don't want me trapping during that period. As for the thousands of people who run hounds, none of us can hunt from Oct. 1st through muzzle loader season because of "bothering" the deer hunters. These hunters spend thousands of dollars on equipment, dogs, licenses, dog food, vet bills, etc. There are also many people who avoid their own woods during deer season just to hike. Trappers spend a lot of money every year in their preparations for the season. There is no doubt that this proposal will cause the loss of many hunters and trappers that will realize that it's not worth buying a license for such a short season. I know that deer hunting sells licenses, but there are others of us that will be negatively affected by this. Please take us into consideration when this proposal is being decided. I implore you not to do this. Thanks for your time, Mike Quinlan
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Oct 5, 2020 9:23:54 GMT -5
I have more problems with hound hunters than do with deer hunters.
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Post by bluetickboy on Oct 5, 2020 10:41:24 GMT -5
I have more problems with deer hunters than I do with hound hunters. That's not the issue here.
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Post by arran on Oct 6, 2020 8:58:49 GMT -5
I have more problems with deer hunters than I do with hound hunters. That's not the issue here. No your right, it is not the issue. I am a landowner with properties in prime deer hunting in the southern tier that are more than 100 acres, including one that includes access to two wildlife management units on one property. The issue is land use , and if you own the land you can control the activity that occurs there, and influence your neighbors. What we do is to have zero tolerance for any activity that impacts us and the use of the property negatively. Especially in regards to liability. If you don't like rifles used on your land , a late deer season ,,snow machines, tree stands , ect... don't allow it. I mentioned in another post about coyote hunters with the dogs being a problem in the past on places I trap. It is a circus with a lot of trespassing. We shut that down to a large extent on lands we use. As for other trapping interference on land you have permission on ,or state land , if you are harassed , don 't put up with it. Report it and follow up. ECON officers are more than happy to stop that and help you. Also ,ask!. In all the years we have had the property , I can count on one hand the times someone has asked. That, and ask every season. A one time OK is not a lifetime permission , things change over time. I get folks who figure if they have permission on the neighbors they can be on ours. Then there are the ones who put up a stand right at the line, and shoot over our property and want to retrieve the deer there. I think the deer season is long enough and should start at the first week of Dec. and end at the beginning of the last week and a two week bow season to include crossbows before that. But to be honest , at the end of the day if I were to have an afternoon to hunt deer in a late, late season to fill a DMP with my bow or crossbow, I would do that. Actually because I trap hard in the rut ,I don't really have time to hunt deer during the best periods of the deer season and there are too many deer here . What I see is that as to trapping and hunting the bitching is all really about the period from mid Oct to Thanksgiving. I see very little activity after that . They all stay home and sit on their fat butts and watch football or something.
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Oct 6, 2020 9:40:43 GMT -5
After putting posted signs every 50' I still deal with trespassers on my land every year.The hound hunters are the worse.
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Post by arran on Oct 6, 2020 9:51:02 GMT -5
After putting posted signs every 50' I still deal with trespassers on my land every year.The hound hunters are the worse. Have you tried catching any in the act? Do you use trail cams? We have a similar issue ,in fact there is an individual that is tearing up things with a side X side, that we are watching right now. My advice is to gather evidence, contact the sheriff, present the evidence to them and let them confront the trespasser (not you!) and then do not fail to press trespassing charges. Do that a couple times and it gets around.
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Oct 6, 2020 10:00:47 GMT -5
I trespassed somebody last year, If they come back this year they will be arrested. I am looking into some sort of video camera but not having too much luck finding what I need.
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Post by SawmillCreek on Oct 6, 2020 12:38:04 GMT -5
After putting posted signs every 50' I still deal with trespassers on my land every year.The hound hunters are the worse. I can't even count the number of times a hound hunter has told me "my dog can't read" in regards to trespassing signs.
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Post by walleyed on Oct 6, 2020 15:29:47 GMT -5
After putting posted signs every 50' I still deal with trespassers on my land every year.The hound hunters are the worse. Try putting them up every forty (40) feet between posted signs, as is required by law to be legally posted. That might work.
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Post by walleyed on Oct 6, 2020 15:36:12 GMT -5
I trespassed somebody last year, If they come back this year they will be arrested. I am looking into some sort of video camera but not having too much luck finding what I need. Joe, Crooks can rob a bank and be out in a couple hours. Don't think "The Man" is going to spend much time with your trespassing issue. Besides, those trespassers are just protesting your white privilege with you being an old white male landowner. You need woke up, brother. w
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Oct 6, 2020 17:56:23 GMT -5
Posted signs can be no further than 660' in NY. I just spoke to the police a few weeks ago and they said they will give a ticket if they see anybody enter my property.
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Post by bluetickboy on Oct 8, 2020 5:52:23 GMT -5
Ok now, I know it's hard, but focus. By ranting about everything that bugs you, or you don't understand, you miss the point. This season extension is a threat to trapping. They are slowly taking our season from us, and our opportunities to trap. Do what you want. But if all you can do on here is complain, moan and complain, you'll get nowhere when that bill to end foot holds comes back around. And it will. Ship of fools.
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Oct 8, 2020 8:26:22 GMT -5
Just go buy you own land to hunt and trap on instead of running dogs on somebody else's land.
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Post by milkie62 on Oct 11, 2020 1:34:53 GMT -5
Just because land is not posted does not mean it is open for trespassing. But apparently some people think it is that way. I blocked a guy in on my logging road and walked away. Police called me and asked me when I might be moving it so the trespasser could get out. I asked if I had to move it and he said no but it would be nice. A couple of hrs later I moved it.
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Post by walleyed on Oct 11, 2020 9:12:20 GMT -5
Just because land is not posted does not mean it is open for trespassing. But apparently some people think it is that way. I blocked a guy in on my logging road and walked away. Police called me and asked me when I might be moving it so the trespasser could get out. I asked if I had to move it and he said no but it would be nice. A couple of hrs later I moved it. Was the Police open to the idea of citing the vehicle owner for trespassing, or did the officer say it was a civil matter and they couldn't get involved ? w
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Post by tmc on Oct 12, 2020 8:23:23 GMT -5
Spot on with the law in NY, milkie62. Land does NOT have to be posted; each person is responsible for knowing the boundaries of property(ies) which they themselves own, and not to exceed those boundaries without express permission from owners of other properties. BUT - such things are not in the scope of knowledge of most people including most if not all trespassers, and posting only makes it easier to PROSECUTE, from a standpoint of eliminating the excuse(s) of, "I didn't know it was private property" and "I didn't know whose land it was." And yes to 660' between posted signs as the legal minimum distance.
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Oct 12, 2020 10:05:49 GMT -5
Please record my Aie or YES for such proposal. Driving I-80, I-280, I-380, Rt.15, Rt.17, Rt.6 going through NYS( and our neighbors) now you can count dozens and dozens of road killed deer and accordingly drivers( God forbid), mostly does.
Deer season MUST be extended for at least such reason if no other seems solid.
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Oct 12, 2020 13:51:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind it being extended so my kid can hunt he week of Christmas when he is on vacation.
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Post by hardwoodcharlie on Oct 13, 2020 12:10:10 GMT -5
Hunters don’t need a longer season! They need to learn how to hunt deer...
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Oct 13, 2020 14:35:04 GMT -5
Hunters don’t need a longer season! They need to learn how to hunt deer... Ideally, having fresh meat on a table without necessity to freeze it, a hunting season should be 365 days a year. Just because 99% of nowadays hunters are degenerated in good meaning of such word and spoiled , hunting mostly for fun but not for food, a season term is necessary. For instance, I can consume only 2 adult deer carcasses per year + 12-15 beavers and 5-10 muskrats with my family that includes my two adult kids families and a grandson. I have typically a permit for 2 does ( a lottery) and one buck is included in my lifetime sportsman license. So legally I can take 3 animals per season that converts in 6 weekend days hunting on public property( I'm a city boy). Sometimes being 3 days in a forest cannot guarantee my 3 animals, as well my freezer has a limited capacity ( I don't spoil a single piece of a bone - I cook everything except the inner and a skin). Based on my accounting I'd like to feel myself more relaxed on a field by having 6 weeks or 8 for hunting opportunity; to visit more spots, to get my dream - a 14 pointer finally. It should be nice. Remember, not a 100% of hunters residing Up State NY hunting on private lands, some losers like me doomed to explore public properties.
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Post by Zagman on Oct 13, 2020 16:05:25 GMT -5
Some very serious (not me!) deer hunters who are against this tell me that some bucks (not ALL bucks) drop their horns before this extended season? Especially rut-worn deer that are not 100% best of condition?
Don't know if it true....if it is, I guess those are more "anter-less" deer to add to the mix! The dream 14-pointer you want is just a big doe!
I won't fight anyone on their opinions.....as we are all entitled.
IF IF IF the goal is to simply have an opportunity to hunt deer between the holidays, FINE, but let's OPEN the season later then! But then people will poo-poo that because of "Thanksgiving" hunting traditions!
Apparently, since its about the kids, no kids are hunting deer over Thanksgiving? Are they Shopping? Waiting in line for Black Friday deals? We need to extend the season for the kids! LOL
MZ
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Oct 13, 2020 16:26:32 GMT -5
We have my stepson who is 15 every other weekend, which really doesn't give me too much time to accompany him while hunting. He will not be here over Thanksgiving so I will be lucky to have him for one weekend during the season. I trap, fish and hunt and I would like to see longer seasons so he as a youth will have more time in the field along with other youths that are on vacation the week between Christmas and New Years day.
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Oct 13, 2020 16:36:38 GMT -5
Zagman, I already like your serious hunter buddy who can joke very talented over the issue. Tell him you met another deer hunter on a Trapper Forum who stated some bucks( not all of them) are dropping off their brains and sometimes even penises "Especially rut-worn deer that are not 100% best of condition" before the extended season.
In such case scenario indeed a lot of hornless and thingy-less deer became status DOE. Thank you to share such info here, you finally made my day.
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Post by trappermac on Oct 13, 2020 17:05:58 GMT -5
Joe...take your stepson trapping instead, let him get some of those easy muskrats you trap.
For the kids....it was kids big game weekend this past holiday weekend. I've mentioned before that I border the closest state land to the city of Buffalo, about a 75 min drive. I drove down through the only access road they goes threw it each morning of the special youth hunt and saw one vehicle on Sat, none the other two days. Enough of extending seasons or creating special ones for kids who seem to care less about them.
Brooklyn - what the h@ll are you talking about in your latest post?!
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Post by Zagman on Oct 13, 2020 19:17:26 GMT -5
In the end, we all do many things besides trap. I can't imagine ANY trapper wanting this....if they do, then I guess they are more deer-hunter than trapper (which is fine/ok/cool even)....as the nearly three months of deer season before Christmas sure seems like plenty.... Me at the diner to Bubba: "Get your deer yet?" Bubba: "No, been a tough season....." Me: "All three months have been tough? " Bubba: "Yep...I just need ONE more week and I'll close the deal.....if they'd only give me one more week between the holidays!" Me: "Check, please" LOL Let's take this to another level: Why not just extend deer season into March and April? Seriously...the kids could hunt over Easter! LOL Wait! Memorial Day Youth Hunt? Again, to each his own.....I am a trapper, and I hunt deer a couple days a year and outset of season. And maybe Thanksgiving weekend if I haven't tagged out..... The white tail rules the world, and in the end, we will probably not win this debate. Thank goodness for the snowmobilers and houndsmen who are united on this front. Zagman
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