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Post by flatiron on Sept 9, 2020 17:44:37 GMT -5
A small wonder why this site has fallen from the Grace's of trappers from all over the Northeastern states. Once a thriving plew of information for experienced trappers and beginners it has fallen to the realm of whiners which I call The BIG THREE! Nothing but caustic and vile comments from them unless it's their personal success. As a NYSTA county representative myself and Herm Flowers attend most BOD meetings, we don't have to but feel it's a duty to our fellow members. In all the years we have been involved we have NEVER seen any of The BIG THREE at a meeting BUT they seem to have a grasp of every little aspect and dealings of NYSTA affairs . As to the BIG THREE , step up and put your money where your BIG mouths are ! You three have done more damage to the trappers and NYSTA than any anti trapping organizations have. The time has come for your caustic remarks to end or maybe this site should be shut down, you have pretty much ruined what it once was . If in your eyes NYSTA is so bad do us all a favor and not renew or attend NYSTA events .
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Sept 9, 2020 18:20:00 GMT -5
You have done the damage by taking a week away from trappers that we will NEVER get back.
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Post by trappermac on Sept 9, 2020 19:39:01 GMT -5
Well if you're a county rep Von I hope you reached out to your constituents on this regulation change. Don't blame the negativity here as a result of three people, blame it on those like yourself for not being communicative with membership. You're just deflecting blame elsewhere. All some of us ever wanted was for NYSTA to let us know whats going on, sorry for asking, I guess we should just bury our heads in the sand. You wonder why good people walked away from positions, and have no intentions of coming back, look no further than yourself. You're part of the problem. Its funny how when Rockwood comes on here defending himself after a member called his actions out, the troops finally rise to the occasion. I'll take your advice, I'll refrain from any functions and membership because you, an officer of NYSTA, asked me to.
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Post by flatiron on Sept 9, 2020 19:52:09 GMT -5
Only waiting for the leader ! Neither of you are what would be called good members of anything but the whiners group . If I have driven you away IMO good ridden! I'll make sure I can find GOOD standings members and plenty of them to replace you !
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Post by trappermac on Sept 9, 2020 20:11:04 GMT -5
Sad that people like you can't see that our intentions were based upon caring about trapping in NY State. If you feel good riddens is the best avenue you, as an officer, can let Bob S. know to refund my money (just re-upped) and cancel my subscription to TP. I'll get that on my own. Thanks for representing me so well.
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Sept 9, 2020 20:11:50 GMT -5
Von...You are a sad excuse as a representative of the trappers of nys.
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Post by flatiron on Sept 9, 2020 20:29:58 GMT -5
I have to ask what have the two of you ever done for the trappers of New York?
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Sept 9, 2020 20:31:24 GMT -5
One thing I didn’t do was take a week away from nys trappers that we will NEVER get back.
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Post by flatiron on Sept 9, 2020 20:36:18 GMT -5
It was personal opinion when I spoke above . There has been no positive actions by either of you two . I've sat idle reading your negative posts for way too long without saying anything . Don't worry Mac I'll send Bob a refund for you . I will leave you and your negativity and caustic comments to send more away from this site . Let me leave you with this without our organization you would have lost trapping a long time ago.
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Sept 9, 2020 20:39:00 GMT -5
Yes....we will lose trapping one week at a time it seems.
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Post by walleyed on Sept 10, 2020 0:03:36 GMT -5
A small wonder why this site has fallen from the Grace's of trappers from all over the Northeastern states. Once a thriving plew of information for experienced trappers and beginners it has fallen to the realm of whiners which I call The BIG THREE! Nothing but caustic and vile comments from them unless it's their personal success. As a NYSTA county representative myself and Herm Flowers attend most BOD meetings, we don't have to but feel it's a duty to our fellow members. In all the years we have been involved we have NEVER seen any of The BIG THREE at a meeting BUT they seem to have a grasp of every little aspect and dealings of NYSTA affairs . As to the BIG THREE , step up and put your money where your BIG mouths are ! You three have done more damage to the trappers and NYSTA than any anti trapping organizations have. The time has come for your caustic remarks to end or maybe this site should be shut down, you have pretty much ruined what it once was . If in your eyes NYSTA is so bad do us all a favor and not renew or attend NYSTA events . So Von, Are you including me as one of the big three, Buddy ? You want to shut Wayne Jones Site down so all we have left is your facebook site that many will not participate in. At Least Wayne Jones allows us to have a voice to make our opinions concerning NYSTA known. I've been a NYSTA member for many years, and despite all it's short coming, I'll still continue to support it. That doesn't mean I'll sit quietly while we get it in the backside by a Trapper's Association that doesn't represent it's membership. Who died and left you spokesman deciding who may voice their opinions, and who may not ? What's your next move ? Will you banish any trappers who have the Gaul & Audacity to question NYSTA when the leadership screws their fellow trappers over. I could see it happening based on the Association's track record over the past 5 years. Maybe you Federal APHIS/Wildlife Services types might be trying to eliminate the seasons we free trappers have had for generations, and silence our voices so you can take over the trapping in New York State and cancel out us Free trappers from our trapping heritage. That's another conflict of Interest for anyone who holds a NYSTA office, or position. There's a group of trappers who have damaged Trappers & Trapping around here but It isn't your supposed "Big Three". It's the gang of NYSTA creeps who voted to take away a week of muskrat trapping heritage from their fellow association members and failed to represent them. Those are the real Anti-trappers, Von. What else you got, Von. Other than being Rockwood's Lap dog ? walleyed
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austin
test results are back... I am joerat's daddy
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Post by austin on Sept 10, 2020 5:56:17 GMT -5
For how many years now have the officers and volunteers of NYSTA openly begged for help from membership? How many years have they openly pleaded for members to physically pitch in with regional positions, board positions, etc? NYSTA organization has been running on fumes, with a grossly undermanned skeleton crew and at best semi-functional in this condition for years. We're a good decade past the days of full coffers and full staffing. But most everyone acts like time & circumstances have stood still.
Setting aside the debated issue here which definitely has two sides of opinion, this is a clear example of how a barely-functioning organization struggles with far too little volunteer help. I have never once criticized NYSTA and never will, because I can clearly see it only still exists by the backs & shoulders of a scant few good men who carry to heavy a workload... and none are young men to begin with.
All this vitriol over slate-blue muskrats that the biggest clear xxxl won't buy a large cup of coffee at Byrne Dairy in Pulaski this year? All this vitriol from men in their 50s and 60s to begin with?
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Post by paintedpaw on Sept 11, 2020 10:57:03 GMT -5
Von, I don't know if you consider me part of the "Big Three". I admit to making negative posts, both against DEC and the lack of communication from NYSTA. I have been a NYSTA member for close to 60 years; since the Piseco Lake conventions. I've held every office except Treasurer and am now my counties rep. I was JTI Chairman for just under 25 years. I'm not trying to blow my own horn. I care very much for NYSTA and want it to succeed.It has been a huge part of my life. The Officers and Directors are my friends, many lifelong. We need NYSTA; every New York trapper should be a member. Where would we be without it??? I am well aware of the headaches that the BOD face. These men are volunteers, and after awhile some say "who needs this crap". We don't always agree on things and I have spoken out. I was the one that spoke up at a BOD meeting and said "I don't buy it" to Gamba's treasurers report. Perhaps I am the Old Bear in the corner always criticizing, but my criticism is out of concern for the organization.
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paintedpaw
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Post by paintedpaw on Sept 11, 2020 11:09:31 GMT -5
One more thing, trappers will never agree on everything; seasons and regulations. I've seen it over and over. Even in Union negotiations you don't get everything that you want.
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Post by flatiron on Sept 11, 2020 11:24:44 GMT -5
Al , not at all , you have my utmost respect not only for your years with NYSTA and you're concerns on other matters. We've been friends longer than most on here have been trapping. A couple of those mentioned one of which isn't even a NYSTA member seem to make everything NYSTA's fault . You know more than anyone how things work and it always has been a give and take situation with our involvement with DEC affairs . My tyrant was aimed at those three who put blame on NYSTA for anything they can find fault with , the latest being a loss of six days of muskrat season in Oct.. I hope you are well and God bless, Von
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Post by walleyed on Sept 11, 2020 11:55:01 GMT -5
My tyrant was aimed at those three who put blame on NYSTA for anything they can find fault with , the latest being a loss of six days of muskrat season in Oct.. I hope you are well and God bless, Von I'm assuming you meant TIRADE,, Von. BTW Von, It's actually seven days we lose. Yes indeed, walleyed put the blame squarely where it belonged, Von. NYSTA earned criticism when it supported taking away our week of Northern Zone Rat season. While New York State may have been the source of the original proposal, NYSTA enthusiastically supported the stealing/theft of the most important week of our Northern Zone muskrat season, without Northern Zone rat trappers knowing anything about it. If DEC decided to open k-9 trapping season on opening day of Southern zone Deer Season, so sportsmen could check their traps while they deer hunted, Von would be screaming bloody murder. See, It all depends on whose getting screwed. walleyed
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Post by beaverman522 on Sept 11, 2020 16:17:51 GMT -5
Why is it always NYSTA fault? Walleye maybe if you old timers would stop thinking every time you get a trappers survey it is like someone gave you the panic button to a atomic bomb and if you answered them with your input you might not be all bent out of shape. DEC sends out a survey every year for trapping input from trappers most of the older trappers put them in the circle file while younger less experienced trappers or new trappers fill out these surveys, these surveys weigh heavily on DEC to properly manage fur bearers.I receive a survey every year and i send it in Why cause it effects the decisions on which DEC manages critters so before you go on an i rad temper tantrum maybe you should fill out the surveys and comment when asked in a comment period on the reg changes. I can say my child goes to Cornell and has worked on these surveys and i have first hand knowledge that most trappers perfer quality over the quanity of trapping days!!!! I understand you don't like it but but DEC listens to the majority not the minority just like deer hunters they want more time in the woods and they are going to get with a longer season in the works now if QDM doesn't share your opinion are you going to pissed at that as well?
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Post by trappermac on Sept 11, 2020 16:20:45 GMT -5
I'm an oldimer, I always fill mine out and submit. Not speaking for Walleyed, but he strikes me as the type who will fill one out and even add comments probably. I sense the opposite, I sense the youngtimers tossing theirs. You a young un?
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Post by walleyed on Sept 11, 2020 23:44:12 GMT -5
Why is it always NYSTA fault? Walleye maybe if you old timers would stop thinking every time you get a trappers survey it is like someone gave you the panic button to a atomic bomb and if you answered them with your input you might not be all bent out of shape. before you go on an i rad temper tantrum maybe you should fill out the surveys and comment when asked in a comment period on the reg changes. Well beaverman522, This may come as a surprise to you, but I have filled out each & every single DEC, Bureau of Wildlife trapper's survey I have ever received and mailed it back. I've also posess a degree in Fish & Wildlife Management, and have worked as a Fish & Wildlife Technician early in my career. As I've said earlier, I've volunteered plenty of time to help NYSTA, and have been a member for many years. I called the JTI Chair Rockwood to discuss the season change proposal and he never called me back. It was right after the proposal was listed in the New York State Register. Rockwood knew d@mn well why I was calling and he chose not to call me back. At that point, This forum was my only opportunity as a sounding board to talk about NYSTA and this proposal. I don't do FACEBOOK and never will, and the NYSTA website was dead in the water. We no longer have a news letter, and NYSTA has decided NOT to utilize membership e-mails we provided, to inform the membership of their stance on the season change proposal, or to ask for input. So I think you might be a little off on your perception. My bedside manner might be a little politically incorrect, but that comes from dealing with too many jack-a.s.s.es on a daily basis. I prefer a more direct, unambiguous method of communication so my true meaning isn't lost in translation. So rest assured, I know how to get my comments to the DEC, and I also know what's wrong with NYSTA, as well. Have a nice day walleyed
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