Zagman
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Post by Zagman on Sept 9, 2020 12:46:05 GMT -5
The DEC is proposing a muzzleloader season from Dec 26th to Jan 1st. Apparently ONE man is behind this. He does NOT want to "waste" his vacation time during our current deer season to hunt deer, but since he is OFF between the holidays, it will be convenient for him to change the season. I've been called by the local QDMA guy who has been in touch with the houndsmen and snowmobilers. So far, NO ONE wants this, save this one man. Even the deer hunters don't want it, apparently! Here's the link, hot off the presses TODAY! www.dos.ny.gov/info/register/2020/090920.pdfGo to page seven to read the proposal........... I spoke to John Rockwood at Herkimer about it.....it sounded like he'd have to get with the board to see if they agree. Not sure if that can be done quickly with phone calls/emails/etc.? Other trappers may not think this is a big issue.....perhaps some like it. We are hand-cuffed during deer season already......and now they want to take away the holiday time? You guys that always say we need to get the kids involved......don't kids get an opportunity to trap over the holidays? Let's not forget: there's already a late season muzzle-loader season! I'd hate for this to get shoe-horned in by ONE man. The other groups are asking if the trappers can help fight this? I'd LOVE to get an opinion letter from NYSTA disagreeing with this change.....and I'd hope we could work-around whatever challenges or logistical problems it would take to WAIT until everyone's in the same room! With COVID etc. I'd think sometime of communication could be had outside of the norm? With all the negatives about communication on here lately, perhaps here's an example where we can proactively fight something together and impress the masses! LOL What say you??? MZ
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Post by walleyed on Sept 9, 2020 13:09:08 GMT -5
Sounds like another can of worms for trapping season when we thought the deer hunters were done for the year.
I will read and study on this and draft a response.
w
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Post by whartonrattrapper on Sept 9, 2020 14:03:51 GMT -5
Here is the email address for comments; jeremy.hurst@dec.ny.gov Mark good thing you didn't spill the beans before it was put on the registry.
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Zagman
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Post by Zagman on Sept 9, 2020 14:10:27 GMT -5
I heard about it as a rumor but wasn't sure if it was real, but now people are calling and asking for input!
MZ
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Post by trappermac on Sept 9, 2020 15:57:03 GMT -5
I can see the DEC signing up for this, you can charge for another tag for the "late late season". The season is more than long enough already. Mark makes a valid point about kids, when I was a kid that was a time I looked forward to so that I could trap 10 straight days. Thanks for making this known Mark. I had head it as a rumor as well but googling showed me nothing.
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austin
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Post by austin on Sept 9, 2020 17:17:38 GMT -5
all the serious deer hunters I know, and that's many, want firearms season reduced to 9 days max. Two weekends with five weekdays in between, done. That would wrap it up by/before Dec 1st. If any late-season BP afterwards, could be one weekend or at most a 7-day stretch
firearms season is waaay tooo long here in NY. Needs to be reduced, not lengthened.
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Post by milkie62 on Sept 9, 2020 18:01:27 GMT -5
Deer have been harassed basically Oct 1 to roughly Dec 15. Plenty of time to hunt. After that leave the deer alone so that they can hopefully chow down some food to survive the upcoming winter.
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Zagman
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Post by Zagman on Sept 9, 2020 18:12:17 GMT -5
Hopefully if guys keep chiming in OPPOSING the proposal, it will be enough input to justify a few sentences of position on NYSTA letterhead......easy peezy!
MZ
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Post by bluetickboy on Sept 10, 2020 6:42:16 GMT -5
Isn't our deer season long enough? I'm a trapper and a long time houndsman. They have pushed our season further and further into the year. It's all about money in this state. Never the sportsman.
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Post by erict on Sept 10, 2020 7:17:05 GMT -5
I would be interested in hearing who this "one man" is - but being that this is an election year I wouldn't be surprised to hear Cuomo involved. $ounds like another way for the $tate to $ell more licen$e$.
Most DEC regulation changes seem to take years to get passed yet for some reason this is being treated like an emergency. If they are going to focue on deer hunting regulations how about they address the "crossbow" issue first.
Given the current "COVID" situation, many more hunters will be spending enough time in the woods during the current deer season already. LOTS of people took the online Hunter Education course this year which will lead to more hunters (or more people carrying extra tags) in the woods this fall. Many college students will be off beginning at Thanksgiving break until mid-January. Those "working from home" will find ways to work their schedule so they can get out for the "prime hours" in the mornings and evenings. I predict the BUCK harvest will be up significantly.
DEC needs to back any proposed changes with facts, not emotion. I oppose this proposal and can't see to many sportsmen's organizations supporting it.
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Zagman
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Post by Zagman on Sept 10, 2020 18:46:30 GMT -5
So far, I think we are all largely in the same camp....just not sure if I will be successful in getting a formal opposition letter/email/anything from NYSTA in time......in the meantime, if everyone sends their thoughts to the email listed above and here again, it will help!
Here is the email address for comments; jeremy.hurst@dec.ny.gov
MZ
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Post by trappermac on Sept 10, 2020 19:37:34 GMT -5
I hope this really circulates among the snowmobile clubs, they will be dead set against this. The current snowmobile season (trails open) starts at the close of deer seasons for safety reasons, and this could force them to give up those 10 days being out there with family and friends.
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Post by erict on Sept 10, 2020 22:08:20 GMT -5
I hope this really circulates among the snowmobile clubs, they will be dead set against this. The current snowmobile season (trails open) starts at the close of deer seasons for safety reasons, and this could force them to give up those 10 days being out there with family and friends. More info at this LINK that suggests that snowmobile trails would not be prevented from opening.
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Post by trappermac on Sept 11, 2020 6:06:10 GMT -5
Predator hunters should also oppose this as the use of a firearm larger than 22 caliber is not allowed during the open deer seasons in counties that do not allow rifle hunting for deer. Limits them to .17 and .204 centerfire firearms. I have seen nothing that says this will not be affected.
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Post by herm on Sept 11, 2020 7:16:06 GMT -5
I was first told about this earlier this year by Gene VanDeusen president of the NYS Houndsmen as he read about a proposal that the Farm Bureau was pushing. Contacted our Wayne County representive and he didn’t know anything about it. I strongly oppose this and feel that the DEC has no idea of the effects the stationary deer hunter has on managing wildlife in our state. They have all but killed off small game hunting and control the field until deer season ends
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Post by herm on Sept 11, 2020 8:14:39 GMT -5
There is a form you can reply on under the DEC Comissionor. I find it hard to believe that the DEC supports this as the stationary deer hunter by his shutting down the fields had taken away the DECs ability to manage wildlife in our state and that also applied to state lands
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paintedpaw
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Post by paintedpaw on Sept 11, 2020 10:15:54 GMT -5
I completely agree with Mark and Austin. I am both an avid trapper and avid deer hunter, having hunted Steuben County for 35 years. The deer season is too long in the southern zone. Whitetail management is a complete failure from DEC. Where does DEC come up with these geniuses?
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Post by herm on Sept 14, 2020 7:55:28 GMT -5
It is being pushed by the NYS Farm Bureau and then most likely a very small part of that group but by someone who must of had some real pull to try to get what he wants. Really sad that the DEC would support this. They have already lost their ability to manage wildlife by the stationary deer hunter shutting down access to lands until after deer season on both public and private lands
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Zagman
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Post by Zagman on Sept 14, 2020 20:41:06 GMT -5
Dave Leibig told me he was drafting a response........I asked: "From you or from the NYSTA?" He said: "Both"
We shall see.....
MZ
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Post by walleyed on Sept 15, 2020 18:09:16 GMT -5
all the serious deer hunters I know, and that's many, want firearms season reduced to 9 days max. With at least 500,000 big game deer hunters in New York State, I'd bet your buddies, and your opinion on the length of deer season is by far in the minority. I'd say most have been agitating for a longer season. All those QDMA loons, and elitist trophy bow hunters, wouldn't be satisfied until they've driven everyone out of the woods. w
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Zagman
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Post by Zagman on Sept 16, 2020 18:44:47 GMT -5
all the serious deer hunters I know, and that's many, want firearms season reduced to 9 days max. With at least 500,000 big game deer hunters in New York State, I'd bet your buddies, and your opinion on the length of deer season is by far in the minority. I'd say most have been agitating for a longer season. All those QDMA loons, and elitist trophy bow hunters, wouldn't be satisfied until they've driven everyone out of the woods. w I haven't spoken to 500K deer hunters yet, but everyone I HAVE spoken to thinks our deer season is already too long.....at minimum the local QDMA group is fighting it..... This ain't life or death....I hope it doesn't pass.....done all I can do myself.....we shall see. I'm hoping the other outdoor-use groups pipe in enough to make some waves as well..... What's frustrating is when I drive around the third Saturday of gun season and can count on one hand the trucks I see parked....I see FAR more during bow season. Yet, we are handcuffed by the season that no one is using...... MZ
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Post by trappermac on Sept 16, 2020 19:06:31 GMT -5
My property borders Lost Nations State Forest, the closest state land forest to the city of Buffalo. By the third week of deer season you won't see a hunter during the week, maybe one or two cars on the weekend. Late muzzle/bow I've never encountered another hunter. But trappers are out then, it needs to be left alone.
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tmc
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Post by tmc on Sept 16, 2020 19:29:50 GMT -5
Poachers love the long season. Maybe I should clarify - the goons that trespass and shoot deer on my property DURING season(s)... They also steal fur. I guess (opinion, don't slam me with "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING!" stuff) they figure a landowner can patrol their land on opening day, Thanksgiving, etc., but then can't keep at it. That's my observation. And yes, I'd love to see a season like PA where they even close schools in some areas so they can get out, harvest deer AND GET IT OVER WITH.
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Sept 16, 2020 19:45:06 GMT -5
I wish somebody would come over and shoot the 3 dozen deer that live in my yard.
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Post by walleyed on Sept 17, 2020 9:11:57 GMT -5
Up here in the Northern Zone,
We deal with deer hunters from the 27th of September with early bow season thru mid-December until the conclusion of Late bow/muzzle-loader season.
Starting with the October 25th land trapping season, we deal with Firearms hunters the entire time fall land trapping is open
until snow/cold/ice shuts down land trapping for all practical purposes.
We Northern Zone Trappers are very aware of how a long Deer season impacts our ability to trap.
Compared with us, though, you Southern Zone land trappers have it made.
Without a doubt,
the deer season really doesn't need to get any longer.
walleyed
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