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Post by trappermac on Aug 24, 2020 20:09:53 GMT -5
Got the new post today, nothing from NYSTA. Nothing about the new season changes, nothing about the convention being canceled, nothing about a new website, nothing at all. Just sent my renewal in, wondering if it was a waste. Its like they don't exist. I heard there might be a new president, getting in as nobody running against? You'd think the members would be informed. Nope.
So weak, nothing on the new website except old news...oh yeah, they did mention the season changes but long after Walleyed championed that for everyone. Nothing on the FB site either. Basically I get TP for my money it appears.
Shame.
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Post by brandonh on Aug 25, 2020 6:07:20 GMT -5
At least you are getting the Trappers Post.. I havent received mine in months- membership is good through December 2020 though...
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Post by paintedpaw on Aug 25, 2020 18:45:23 GMT -5
The lack of communication to the membership by the Officers and Directors is a DISGRACE. What they have allowed this organization to become is disgusting.
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Post by whartonrattrapper on Aug 26, 2020 7:14:54 GMT -5
The lack of communication to the membership by the Officers and Directors is a DISGRACE. What they have allowed this organization to become is disgusting. It's become apparent that the few of us who depend on this site, and the Trappers Post, for NYSTA news aren't worth they're time.
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Post by tmc on Aug 26, 2020 8:45:51 GMT -5
Well, who'd like to step up and be "Member Liaison" volunteer? It's not like there is only so much money to go around to pay staff, it's all-volunteer. No, this is NOT a dig at ANYONE, complainers OR supporters, just an honest suggestion that maybe, just maybe, that's exactly what's needed to "cure" the problem. Why not? I believe that questions only exist to be killed by answers, and problems only exist to be killed by solutions. We have a problem, specifically communication. What is/are the solution(s)? Maybe one, two, or as many as WANT to can be present and convey the appropriate information to Membership. I know, I know... someone or a bunch of someone's are already supposed to be doing it. But think about it - take your situation: Your life, your job, your duties and responsibilities to family and community et al; if you're anything normal, how much already limited time do you actually have left over for travel and meetings? Or posting after that? I'm also NOT defending the lack of communication - I was just as disgusted as anyone to see not one thing in The Trapper's Post. Somewhat embarrassed as well, not only by the lack but also FOR those in leadership. But again - what's the solution? Badgering, shaming and name-calling hasn't and won't change any of that. Maybe we need to change our view of "Us vs. Them" thinking and, instead of being officers, elected or appointed or whatever, those who have the desire - as many as have it - take up the slack and help? I think that's the only thing that's ever been necessary. OK, go ahead and flame away. "How about YOU, first, big mouth Tim?" Meh, I said "those who have the desire." I don't. That said, it does NOT disqualify me from making the other statements I've made. Some people that DO have the desire, don't think they're qualified. In this case, having the desire IS your qualification!!! Also, instead of a physical location, why not have zoom (or other) conferences? That way ANY NUMBER of people would be able to be "present," if opened up to Membership. But alas, that could also potentially open it up to hostiles/antis as well... hey, I didn't say I had "the" answer(s), just some suggestions.
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Post by bill1960 on Aug 26, 2020 20:32:02 GMT -5
Tmc good Idea with a Member Liaison find me a volunteer and I will bring it up to the board at the next meeting Bill
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Post by trappermac on Aug 27, 2020 6:31:28 GMT -5
So if I got this straight, instead of the ones who were elected or appointed or however that works these days, instead of communicating to membership they will communicate to a "go between" who then will communicate to the membership? Instead of just communicating that info directly to the membership?
I suppose I am being overly critical, but it seems to me that the purpose or concept of a state organization has become lost.
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Post by paintedpaw on Aug 27, 2020 12:35:34 GMT -5
That is supposed to be how it works. The Officers and Directors are supposed to report to the county reps in their regions, who in turn are supposed to report happenings to the members. Good luck with that, it ain't happening. Conveniently forgotten is the requirement that all officers and directors are supposed to put an article in the Trapper's Post. Nothing at all in the most recent Trapper's Post. Not even a paragraph from the President? Not one word regarding New York State? Shameful! A lot of these guys want to be Office or Directors, yet don't do their jobs. Where are the reports from the NTA,FTA, and JTI? Where are the reports of upcoming reg changes?Why do we have to get any knowledge at all from other sources than NYSTA? NYSTA took a big hit membership wise when that thief of a treasurer failed to submit many memberships and we are still recovering from that. NYSTA also took a big hit in the loss of dedicated officers and Directors because of gossip and false innuendos. We are told that we should join NYSTA to help protect our trapping rights and help keep a lobbyist in Albany to watch out for our interests. That is very true, however to just shrug your shoulders and say you have nothing to report is pure bull ----. There is a system of Communication in place if you would only use it!
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Post by bill1960 on Aug 27, 2020 21:06:16 GMT -5
Got the new post today, nothing from NYSTA. Nothing about the new season changes, nothing about the convention being canceled, nothing about a new website, nothing at all. Just sent my renewal in, wondering if it was a waste. Its like they don't exist. I heard there might be a new president, getting in as nobody running against? You'd think the members would be informed. Nope. So weak, nothing on the new website except old news...oh yeah, they did mention the season changes but long after Walleyed championed that for everyone. Nothing on the FB site either. Basically I get TP for my money it appears. Shame. Trappermac the couple of things I can answer for you are 1) the reason there was nothing about the convention being canceled in the TP was because you have to have it in 3 months before they print it.2) My fault for not getting the news about the flea market on the website I did post it on Facebook though and after it was brought to my attention it's should be on the website as of today. Hope this helps explains some of it Bill
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Post by nyredfox on Aug 27, 2020 21:07:42 GMT -5
Due to being very busy, I’ve lost touch with who’s currently on the BOD... What I can say, is when I put my short stint in as a regional rep, it was a lot to ask to attend these meetings, several hours from home. Every single one of these people VOLUNTEER their time to keep our association together, therefore I will never criticize their efforts. When I became actively involved, I thought that this site should be a direct link/partner to NYSTA. To this day, if I want to know what’s up in our trapping community, this is my first stop. I sometimes participate in discussions here, as our posts don’t immediately go “viral” as they can do on Fakebook. I cringe when people talk trapping on that site. It is virtually free for NYSTA to post updates/advertise here. Whoever the secretary is now, should begin actively posting updates from the meetings, on this site. It’s free and easy! The last I knew, Wayne Jones maintains this site, and would welcome some renewed activity here.. Many of us have been long time acquaintances on here and used to do some really cool things with this site. A moderator can control the negative stuff, and keep the posts clean.. let’s give this a shot!
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Post by trappermac on Aug 28, 2020 7:12:20 GMT -5
It used to be an active site here with alot of input from NYSTA officers, reps, etc. The organization was visible and it easily promoted membership without having to do much. The organizations activities were out there for everyone to read, comment, even fight about. Then came the veil of secrecy that transpired as it was felt that some discussions should not be out there for just anyone to see, that it would destroy our chances of success with what actions were in play. So things began to take place in a back room. Add to that some of the infighting that occurred here and frustrations that some had with that, and people walked away. Add to that the Gamba issue and then what appeared to me to be infighting and a total breakdown of the officers and such that represent us, and we now have a ghost town here with a few of us still lingering.
I know these people volunteer their time. But I will criticize at a time when I fear for the future of trapping in this state and where is the organization that is supposedly charged with representing us? Its taken me 4 minutes to write what I just wrote, if an officer can't take that much time to write that many words a couple times a month with an update, and put it anywhere, here, FB, the website, then they shouldn't hold a position. Its not about how hard it is, or how little time they have, its about not giving a crap.
I agree Eric, would be nice to have some NYSTA interaction on here. Great place for it, that's been proved out before. But it takes the right people with the right mindset to get it done. It appears we no longer have that.
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Post by paintedpaw on Aug 28, 2020 8:35:59 GMT -5
I have been a member of NYSTA since the early 1960's; the Piseco Lake days. At one time or another I have held every office from President on down with the exception of treasurer. I served as chairman of the JTI Committee for just under 25 years. Today I am still a county rep. It is so disheartening to remember NYSTA being one of the leading Sportsmen organizations in the state, to what it has deteriorated to today. We strongly have a need for NYSTA to protect trapping in New York. We may have Officers and Directors working to protect our rights, but you sure wouldn't know it. How can you maintain a good membership if you don't communicate with them? We used to have a quarterly newsletter, but that was stopped because the mailing was too expensive. The Trapper's Post only comes every two months, with state reports. This month there is nothing from New York and it is not the first time. Why do we have to learn of reg changes from sources other than NYSTA? Who knows who the candidates for office are? Oh well, with only one candidate for president we don't have to mail out a ballot; we can save money. Much of the time the Secretary is not even in the country. The website has been a disaster; hopefully Chappy will soon straighten that out. Why have so many strong leaders left? Could the constant drama,rumors, and innuendos have anything to do with it? You can't even pick up a Trapper's Post to learn who our Officers are or how to contact them. How does one know who to contact to renew their membership or start a new one? All we need to do is look at nearby states like Pennsylvania and Ohio for strong Trapping Organizations. Someone better wake up before it is too late! .My hat is off to Bill Swagler, an officer doing an outstanding job.
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Post by bill1960 on Aug 28, 2020 20:43:03 GMT -5
Al I Still believe we are one of the leading sportsmen organizations in NY especially in Albany when it comes to lobbying for our sport.There is a lot of stuff that goes on in Albany that just can't be let out to the public or to the membership because of politics I'll give you an example of one look what happened to the cable restraint bill we were working on we where so close to getting them when one organization stepped in and thought they knew what was better for us then what we had been working on for a long time they came in with guns a blazing and saying that we back everything they had to say and that we would back them which was far from the truth and because of them we lost years of work on it and then when working in the fisher regulations and season times we had a few individuals that tried to say they knew better and help screw that up also and then we had the fur ban thing that was going on down in New York City same thing happened and last year with the trapping ban that was started we had two individuals that wanted to start a bunch of stuff that would have really hurt us so were an I going with all this 25 years ago we did not have a thing called the internet, Facebook or even this forum we went from writing letters or making phone calls to get things done now everyone wants instant gratification or thinks they can be the hero and save the day and all they do is hurt what we are doing behind the scene and why is that it's because they know whats best when they really don't how any of this works So how would or can you stop this from happening it's what we have now we can not let out to the general public or the membership whats going on in fear that someone we come along thinking they know whats best for all.This is in my own opinion and observations of the past 6 or 7 years that I have been involved with this organization. You've been to some meetings and if you look around at the age group that is there whats that average age of the people there I think out of 25 to 30 that show up only 5 of us are under 60 the rest are over 65 or 70 yes we need new blood younger people to come on board but you can't come in and try to change things over night it's a slow process to get changes made I just set in the meetings for 2 or 3 years before I started to say anything and slowly I was able to changes
Here are my thoughts why and when this all started most of you can take a guess it started because of the past Treasurer and President and everyone that put trust in them and that trust was broken We had to start all over and we had to build trust between everyone again It start with the Gidney's coming in and do a hell of a job getting the finances in order once we got that done we started rebuilding the organization and we have had our ups and downs doing it yes it's been a long road to get back where we once were we are not there yet but with the people that we have on the board I am sure we will get there it just takes time.During this rebuilding process somethings have definitely fell though the so-called proverbial crack.
Now that i have brought up the past Treasurer yes we are still working the DA in the County he was arrested in and yes its been a pain in the ass because in my opinion we have been put on the back burner and will probably stay there for awhile now if someone would like to donate $20,000 dollars we could take him to civil court and we might win we might not or we may end up in appeals court for ever and that might cost over the $20,000 and in the end still end up with nothing I guess I've rambled on long enough but I'll say one more thing until you walk in our shoes you couldn't passably understand the enormous difficulty of the course that nysta has tried to navigate though during these bad times. There use to be a lot of officers and county rep's that would post on this site regularly but because of the bickering they quit posting. Trappers are their own worst enemy
Remember if it wasn't for NYSTA in the past we wouldn't have Trapping. We have to do battle with the people that want to take trapping away from us and not each other.
Thanks For reading and hope I've cover some of the things everyone has been asking Bill
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Post by trappermac on Aug 29, 2020 7:31:21 GMT -5
First, thank you Bill for your response and for explaining some of what has occurred with NYSTA. You've certainly been a busy guy and I respect and thank you for what you do for the organization. While I can certainly understand the need to keep certain aspects of what we do in Albany on the hush that does not preclude the total lack of communication by the organization the past couple years. There has been little to no communication regarding the status of the organization. When is the last time there was an election of officers? It seems that there has been dysfunction at the top level but why has the membership not been allowed to nominate and/or vote for officers? That's how it used to work. It seems as though the same ones just keep shifting position, appointed it appears.
Perception is everything. When you decide to keep everything on the hush the perception is that you are doing nothing. So your "hero" steps up to try and do something as he or she can only surmise that nothing is being done. Would it not be far better to communicate with the membership that something is being done and to please stand down on the issue? People join an organization to feel involved with something they have a passion for. NYSTA's slogan may as well be "please donate $35.00 to support a lobbyist", not "join NYSTA to have a voice on trapping related issues in NY". Yes, we certainly need younger blood to come into the organization. But you don't get that with silence, by making it difficult to join, by offering nothing more than a lobbyist. The new website is a start, but it needs to be always evolving as a stagnant site won't hold anyones attention. I certainly hope to see NYSTA become vibrant again. I certainly hope there is a solid plan in place.
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Post by paintedpaw on Aug 29, 2020 9:39:00 GMT -5
Bill, thank you for your response. I must tell you that I have the highest respect for you and all that you are doing. First , let me say that every President has had their own set of challenges. Mine were back in 1988, before a lot of our members were members. Let me tell you I have walked in your shoes, mine were replacing a very bad President, the padded trap threat, and a member that for years created havoc within the organization A lot of what you pointed out is true. A lot of what takes place must not be made public with good reason, but certainly not everything. I am very disappointed with people that I thought would do a good job dropping the ball. Perhaps I don't see all there is to be seen. You mentioned The Gidneys. I stand firmly behind them. Those folks did a wonderful job straightening out our finances after the Gamba episode. So what happened? An officer spread a lot of untrue rumors about them and now they are gone. Others are gone as well due to this kind of behavior. Gossip has no place in NYSTA and we have lost some very good people because of it.Believe me I have seen over 50 years of drama. They say women are bad, men are much worse! I have been involved in NYSTA for over 50 years.I have seen a lot of "flashes in the pan"; people come and go. After my term was up I became an active Past President with a vote. I am an OLD fart and finally decided to step aside and let a younger person have that vote. I know that it is far too easy for someone like me say "I know better", but the fact remains that there are some Officers and Directors that should not be in those positions, do nothing, but will not relinquish those spots.There are some doing a great job, like yourself. Trappermac says it very clearly. NYSTA needs to spend some money on mailings and communications. Maybe we can't afford four mailings of a newsletter, but we could at least do one. Also, I agree nomination of officers should come from the entire membership, not just the elite group holding off ice. Above everything else NYSTA needs to communicate with it's members, or there will soon be no members at all.
Thank you, Al
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Post by paintedpaw on Aug 29, 2020 17:21:37 GMT -5
P.S. One more comment.I am in agreement with Bill regarding interference on legislation by another organization or person. The New York State Trappers Association is the organization that should take the lead on trapping matters. This organization does not speak for us. I was once on their furbearer committee and when I saw how half ass the organization is run I got as far away from them as possible. Today I have nothing but contempt for them. We have also had interference from within. A member of the JTI Committee would agree with the rest of the committee to put up a united front and would then go do the opposite. I can remember specifically the distance from a muskrat house issue, the JTI meeting at Blue Mountain Lake, and a lot more. Finally the Directors were able to throw that person off of the committee, but that person caused a lot of damage, particularly with relations with DEC. Believe me I had close to 25 years of headaches. I was the one that spoke up in a Director's Meeting during the Treasurer's report and said "I don't buy it", leading to the Gamba episode. I'm sure you have more than your share of headaches, I just wanted to you to know that I've had more than my share.
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Post by bill1960 on Aug 29, 2020 19:55:11 GMT -5
Trapper Mac and Al yes it seams the system of communication has been broke for sometime now the way I look at it again you have to look at the age of who’s on the board most of them have email but for some reason they do not like to use it to even communicate amongst the board that’s one of the reasons I liked TMC comments about having a member liaison someone dedicated to just communicating to the members in holding that position they would have to be someone that would be dedicated to that position and be willing to come to the meetings and take notes. Yes we already have a system that that says the directors are suppose to be doing that but like I said the system has been broken for sometime and that would be away to at least hopefully get something out to the members. Now on to the elections Years ago before I got involved it was my understanding that we would have several people running for the same position so we set out a ballot to the members so they could vote for the person they thought would do the best job Hopefully Al can tell me if am right or not. Since I have been going to the meetings every position that has come up to vote, there has only been one person running or we have had to ask around to find someone to run heck I remember one meeting where the only one left on the executive board was the secretary so in my opinion that was the beginning of the fall out to the election process, positions needed to be filled so we could get back up and running it was a rough couple years after that meeting to get things done but we did and in between everything that was happening some peoples feeling got hurt or there was miss communication and a bunch of people left or took other positions I hope some of them come back. We need people to start coming to the meeting and get caught up on what’s going on so we can get people to run for office as it is right now I know of no one that would like to run for any position, I’ve asked around and the number one answer for not running is no one has the time to put in to it so there in lies the biggest problem who out there is willing to run? I am sure anyone one of the board would be happy to let someone else take their place. I would love to see us get back to having the members vote again but at this point I don’t see it happening anytime soon but hopefully I am wrong. Just a quick Note in region 9 I know we only have one county rep and I’ve been told the region 9s Director is having health problems so can someone step up and help out there.
One of the reasons there hasn’t been anything in the trapper’s post is because we’ve only had 2 meetings this year because of bad weather and then the covid restrictions stopped us until we got to have a meeting in July and that’s when we canceled the convention by that time the dead line to get anything in for the September/October issue or FFG was to late as they have to have it in 3 months prior to publication.
Membership as you all know because of the past events that I have been talking about the memberships got all screwed up and because of Bob Samuelson dedication he has finally got the mess that was handed to him figured out yes there was some hiccups along the way but he got it done
The website now most of you have known that the website has been down for so time I won’t get in to the details of here but if you haven’t been to it lately it’s back up and most of it is working if you have an older computer like me still using XP lol you may not be able to access it because your older computer doesn’t recognize the newer system or protocol hope you can under stand what am trying to say but it works on my phone. Ray Nolan has been the one that has been working on that and has been working with the guy that did the Pa trappers website if you have any question or news that need to be put up give him a call or an email and he will be glad to help you out.
The president –Although the communication to the members has lagged some with all that was thrown at Jim almost since he took office he has done an exemplary job of keeping the association on firm footing.
There is but one major obstacle to losing trapping altogether in New York State. That obstacle is the dedicated core group of men and women, at the heart of the New York State Trappers Association, that have for decades given selflessly of their time and resources to insure that the trapping lifestyle is preserved for all of us. With the greatly appreciated membership support of less than 10% of the state's trappers, the NYSTA has survived nearly 85 years defending the rights of 100% of the state's trappers even when severely, and often unjustly, criticized by those that benefit greatly by what is accomplished.
Al said they say women are bad, men are much worse at gossip truer words couldn’t be spoken and “some" play into it, but not all of us
Hope this helps a little bit more. Bill
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Post by dana i on Aug 30, 2020 7:57:58 GMT -5
Thank you Bill for taking the time to explain some of the issues. I understand that some issues can't be discussed openly or it could negatively impact the progress of the situation. (Some people are never going to understand this). However there has to be a serious concerted effort towards communication with the general membership with information that can be public. Even if that communication is that there is not much going on, if that is the case. No communication breeds mistrust.
I believe the website used to have a members only portal however it never seemed to work, if my memory serves correctly. That could be one place for this type of communication, e-mail could also work for a lot of members. The traplines newsletter was good when we had that.
I did see on another thread a while back a comment that they tried the e-mail route but membership would not submit e-mail addresses. Well I know that I for one have submitted my e-mail address to them at least twice when they were asking for them for that purpose and I have NEVER received a single e-mail from them.
I see several ways communication could be facilitated 1. posting on this forum 2. e-mail 3. members only portal on the website 4. bringing back the newsletter 5. Trappers post updates 6. text alerts
However for any of these to work they must be functional and be used. In my opinion the Trappers post is good for letting us know what has generally been going on but it is a piss poor communication vehicle for this type of organization because of the lag time between when submissions must be made and when it lands in my mailbox. In situations where NYSTA should be asking for help from membership such as letter writing ect e-mail or text alerts would seem to me to be the best option.
Telling members that they need to come to the meeting if they want any information is unacceptable. It is not a small local club where everyone lives within a few minutes. It is not practical or reasonable to expect everyone to make that trip.
Although work has been done on the website it still needs work, right now I can get to the home page but once there nothing else is working. A couple days ago it was working pretty good. It clearly still has some glitches.
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Post by trappermac on Aug 30, 2020 8:27:52 GMT -5
Bill; Some concerning remarks in your response. If everyone on the board would gladly step aside and let someone else take over, well therein lies a problem. Thats why we have no communication, nobody cares enough. Its been years since I've seen NYSTA reach out and ask for volunteers for any positions. Why would there be anyone to fill voids? You mention region 9s needs help, thats my area so its interesting that you mention that. Is that me being baited? Someone ask you to put that in there? I've mentioned before that I would help where needed, but I won't be a puppet which I know happens now. Sway me.
The paragraph that starts.."There is but one major obstacle..." are not your words are they? Again, sway me.
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Post by bill1960 on Aug 30, 2020 9:43:56 GMT -5
Trappermac what I am referring to about board members stepping aside is that some of them have been officers for a long time and am just giving you my thoughts or opinion on that.The one spot that I do know that the guy would give up is the secretary spot as he is out of the country most of the year serving overseas so if anyone would be interested please get a hold of Jim or myself.
I mentioned Region 9s because yesterday morning I had breakfast with Ray Nolan like we do every couple of months to talk over fundraising committee stuff and he told me about the region 9 stuff so it was just a something that was brought up when we were talking and I have no idea where you live and but after i just said that i looked back at a Pm you sent me last year and yes you did give me your name and where you live but I wasn't baiting you that wasn't my intention it was just fresh in my mind. Yes those are not my words I stole that quote from some where I have been saving quotes in a file from different forums for a couple of years and i use them from time to time when I feel they might be appropriate the other one I used the other day was (trappers are their own worst enemy) and if you haven't noticed I butcher the English language when am typing as it's mostly one long sentence and no punctuation or it's in the wrong place but i do use spell check lol so it should be pretty easy to tell if it my own words or something I coped and pasted Bill
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Post by bill1960 on Aug 30, 2020 9:49:05 GMT -5
I would like to thank everyone that has given there thoughts on how we could be communicating to the members and I well bring them up at the next meeting in Oct and see what the board comes up with Thanks Bill
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Post by paintedpaw on Aug 30, 2020 10:23:13 GMT -5
Bill,
I can remember one time when there three men running to be President. I also remember placing an ad in the Trapper and Predator Caller when I had a man running against me for Vice President. In those days the Vice President was not required to run the convention. I am the only past President not to be elected. As I have mentioned we had a terrible president and I was VP at the time.Board members finally talked him into resigning and I became President. Regarding some of the suggestions. We did try to collect E-Mail addresses at one time, but some members were reluctant to give them out, others did not have E-Mail, and yet others would change their E-Mail address from time too time. I'm old school and barely know how to use the computer.I don't know how to text and I refuse to get on Facebook. A lot of the members my age are the same. I did get on the web page last night and it has improved, at least now I can get into it, but some of the news is from several years ago. Changing course, I can remember when NYSTA used to raffle off pick up trucks at the conventions. I also remember when the conventions were held at fairgrounds all over the state, from Lockport, Middletown, Canandaigua, to Little Valley, and up on the St.Lawrence. We constantly had trouble with fair boards, until we got to Herkimer County. They welcomed us, were centrally located, and we've been there for many years. All trappers should support them in the upcoming flea market that you have so much work in. I, for one, think that NYSTA should resume a newsletter, at least one or two a year, however putting that together takes an awful lot of work, in addition to the expense of a mailing. I also think that it should be mandatory that officers and directors put a report in every trapper's post, even if it is only things like my club was involved in the local maple syrup festival or trapper training class. I hate being critical. I have many life long friends in NYSTA.I admire men like you that have stepped up. There are others like Samuelson, Hughes, Rockwood, Leggett,Flatiron,Carmody and more, too numerous to name, that are dedicated to the organization. One final thing; Be sure to wear a mask at the flea market and practice ":social distancing".
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Post by dana i on Aug 30, 2020 10:55:02 GMT -5
paintedpaw, I understand the difficulties with collecting e-mail addresses, but it was not one sided. I provided mine twice and have never received a email from NYSTA. It will not work if you don't use it. As time goes by there are less and less people who refuse to use some form of electronic communication. I myself am not a fan but it is the only way to communicate fast enough to deal with life as we know it. If a 60 day comment period comes up that is of concern we don't have time for the next newsletter, or to submit it to the trappers post.
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Post by trappermac on Aug 30, 2020 12:11:55 GMT -5
Bill; On the region 9s thing, understood. It just seemed strange it was brought up. Al is right about communication channels, a newsletter could still be done and then just posted at the refreshed website as a pdf. People could read or print it. We shouldn't fall back on it costs too much to mail. I also have provided my email, used to get emails from Angie but its been a long time. Seems like there is alot to fix. Something should be posted at the website regarding what you guys are looking for, positions, officers, etc., if there is a need. Seems like we're bandaiding things, whats needed is a good sound plan with people who want to see a strong organization. Thanks for taking all the abuse from us Bill, wishing you had more support here.
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Post by bill1960 on Aug 30, 2020 14:47:49 GMT -5
trappermac I can understand where your coming from but I wasn't pointing a finger at you if I had intended it that way I would have said so I was just making a comment about region 9 because it was brought up that morning.and am not feeling abused there is some good stuff coming from all this talking I'm going to try and see if I can come up with a list of all the open spots and then post them here and on the website I was look at the map on the website and it looks like we need a bunch of county rep's and about 4 or 5 regional director's before the website crashed I know we could send out an email blast because I had the web master send out stuff on the raffles and calendars I'll have to ask Ray it that is working again. One thing that I am thinking is maybe we could get a couple of committees together using just general member to come up with ideals to bring up to the board have a committee bring them up to the board would be better then just an individual because you would have strength in numbers
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