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Post by trappermac on Oct 28, 2019 20:23:36 GMT -5
What's up with it? Can't seem to access, can't access the map showing representatives...is it dead or down? Can't access membership portal...are we an association or not?
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Post by milkie62 on Oct 28, 2019 23:56:23 GMT -5
It went down and it is being worked on. Our member that is working on it was deployed over seas and the former person maintaining it resigned. We are an association with a handful doing all the work. How do you want to help by stepping up to the plate ? Just let an officer know your specialties or area of interest and I am sure we can find you a place.
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Post by trappermac on Oct 29, 2019 6:24:17 GMT -5
Why is it that a member cannot ask a question regarding NYSTA without a response that includes shaming the person asking the question and implying that they "step up to the plate"? Every time.
Maybe NYSTA should communicate to its members where it needs help, positions, volunteers, county reps, special skills, etc, etc. Lets start there...better communication.
Why the high turnover in the officer positions? Why are people resigning constantly? That certainly makes it less desireable for someone to step up to the plate.
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Post by milkie62 on Oct 29, 2019 23:21:02 GMT -5
Maybe because it is a lot of work,people travel from all parts of the state to attend a meeting and I for one could almost tell you which chair people will be sitting in because of so few people attend meetings. You were the one that said "we" were an association. We do need people to step up to the plate.How long have you been in a volunteer position with all the possible travel time involved. Members will complain about no communication, well I for one am not a typist and can only hen-peck so me writing any type of newsletter is out. I need help getting my report typed up. Well I will reach out to you as a start. We need help setting up and taking down at the convention. We may or may not need a county rep depending on where you live. We need someone to do a yearly newsletter since we talked about at a meeting. So start by coming to the January meeting is a great start to find out where you might beable to help out the most. See you at the meeting and drive safe,it will be winter time. Coffee and donuts when you get there.
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Post by tony1967 on Oct 30, 2019 5:40:23 GMT -5
Where is the meeting held?
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Post by Itrapny on Oct 30, 2019 9:15:35 GMT -5
The meetings are held at the Herkimer County fairgrounds in Frankfort, NY....As many of you know, I was a long time NYSTA volunteer and served as VP for 2+ terms until my job forced me to step aside. I agree that we need more volunteers, BUT and I say BUT, the original question had nothing to do with volunteers, it was a QUESTION about the NYSTA website. I'm not going to go into specifics, BUT when I was involved with the site, it was always available. Sometimes the information was dated and many times there were no updates because individuals or local associations didn't provide information to update, BUT it was ALWAYS available for anyone to have at least have NYSTA contact information. Not everyone can volunteer time because of jobs, etc. but there are other ways to help NYSTA and trying to shame people because they can't volunteer is just as bad as not volunteering in my book.
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Post by bobsamuelson on Oct 30, 2019 16:08:31 GMT -5
In April the moderator of the website suddenly quit! The person currently moderating the site has been deployed overseas and has been unavailable to deal with problems. He is in an area where he doesn’t have internet access for as much as 30 days.
The contact info for all representatives is still available!
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Post by milkie62 on Oct 30, 2019 18:01:55 GMT -5
I am not shaming anybody into coming to a meeting or volunteering. I have been a member since about 1990 or so. All I ever did up till last year was send in my dues monies and left it at that.I never bothered to volunteer or go to meetings but I never expected alot since I knew it was a volunteer organization. It was not until I took a position in the association that I seen the work that some members do to keep trapping alive in this state. There are things that can be done from home without having to go to a meeting such as putting the yearly newsletter together that has been talked about but has not materialized yet. And I work 6 days a week midnight shift plus have another part time job in the mornings 2 days per week. Maybe the BOD's can get together on email or phone call and have something printed up specifically in the next Trappers Post asking any NYSTA member who wants to help to get in touch with a BOD member since all of our names and numbers are listed. Just my opinion.
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Post by paintedpaw on Nov 3, 2019 9:27:02 GMT -5
For years I have preached that we need much better communication with our members. When I was President, way back when, it was required that all officers and Directors submit a report for the trapping newspaper. That sure has gone by the boards! I can't find a report from anyone for New York in the latest Trapper's Post. Why should anyone become a member with no communication? i"ve heard the spiel, but the truth is most people join to get the newsletter. I too have been lectured by a Johnny Come Lately that has no clue what went on years ago. As for Director's Meetings I would suggest changing the agenda.I for one am tired of driving several hours each way only to hear boring crap about a maple festival in xyz county or that montezuma county held atrapper traing class. There is a lot of boring stuff that goes on! You ask why the resignations of officers? Two things; those only interested in promoting themselves, and a lot of internal drama.We have lost some very good people because of gossip. Women gossiping? Men are 10 times worse. For all the years that I have been in involved, since the 1960's there has been constant drama,and I say that I don't need that. NYSTA has been a huge part of my life. At one time it was one of the leading sportsmen organizations in the state. Dec's Directors of Wildlife andDirectors of Law Enforcement used to regulary attend our meetings. What has happened? Directors, officers and county reps that sit on their hands and report nothing back to members. No communication.Have to struggle to get DEC to attend. What is happening with JTI? If I don't know our members sure as Hell don't know! Please don't get me wrong, I'm not all negative. NYSTA is the best thing we have to protect our rights. How many other states employe a lobbyist in the capital? There are a handful of very dedicated members like Bob Hughes, John Rockwood, Dave Miller,Bob Samuelson and others. Above all else NYSTA needs to stop being a good bold boys club and start running like a twenty first century business, and improved communications with our members is an absolute must!
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Post by paintedpaw on Nov 3, 2019 9:36:54 GMT -5
One more thing that thoroughly disgusts me is the theft of money by a former Treasurer. This case drags on and on and on, and he skates free. There is always some excuse that nothing is happening and nobody seems to be pushing the issue. The longer it goes the more difficult it becomes. We need to hire an aggressive lawyer. I wonder if we will ever recover anything at the rate we are going. At least that SOB belongs in jail. A common thief.
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Post by bill1960 on Nov 3, 2019 15:28:29 GMT -5
Yes are website is a mess right now something happened it was either hacked or had some kind of technical glitch so it had to be rebooted not knowing that the website had never been back up or what ever its called we lost every that was on the site when it was rebooted it went back to 2015 when it was last backed up everything that was on the website was backed up or saved in google cloud so now its going to take some time to get it back up ( this is my understanding of what happened to it) Al you said above (we need to start running like a twenty first century business)this is true so now we need to get everyone's email address or they should like or facebook page that's the fastest and cheapest way to communicate but a lot of members won't or don't do facebook or have emails
As far as the JTI I wish you would have been at the last meeting But I know you had prior commitments I am work on a letter or a report if you will on it and will be posting it here and facebook/email when I get it done I have to make sure that I have all the wording right before I send it out so please bear with me As far as the court case I did address that issue in another post awhile back
Bill Swagler
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Post by milkie62 on Nov 3, 2019 21:55:48 GMT -5
Well coming into 21st century to me means that everyone needs to be on the computer to keep up with the times. A once a year newsletter was discussed at a BOD meeting but apparently nobody has taken the bull by the horns so to speak. I for one would like to know what is the good old boys club since I have only been around for a little over a year. Seems to me it has been the same group doing everything. Like I have said in a previous post I can almost point out who will sit where at a meeting since there are so few people there. And sometimes maybe we may need to show our face at a maple festival to let people who do not know about us know that we exist. Like I have said in a previous post all I did for almost 30 yrs was pay my yearly dues and nothing else. Now that I am approaching retirement I will have more time to devote to NYSTA since I have been on a 6 day work week for years. I am sure NYSTA has had some very good people at the reigns over the years just as we do now. IMO we have a good group now who have no personal agendas and are all working together. I for one have tried to show where every penny goes on my reports and list every check written so there is no sticker shock at a meeting. We have had people complain about camp Flatiron that it takes away from the fund raising festivities after hrs at the pavilion. I for one applaud all the guys at Flatiron for what they do for helping to raise funds for the Pat Arnold camps. Do you even realize the amount of money that they hand over after their auction Al ? Enough to the point that without them we would be struggling. I will not go into the numbers on an open forum but we went into this years convention with a lot more money than we did at the beginning of last years convention. The VP has put out a request using 21st century tools to recruit help for next years convention. All anybody has to do is to contact him and I am sure he will have a job all lined up. And not being able to make a meeting is not an excuse to not being able to help. I am sure if somebody wanted to really help out that there are a few jobs that can be done from home with just a computer, a pad of paper and a telephone. Yes Al I have seen your name in past years in T&PC magazine when you were on the board. You have done your fair share and now should when you have the time to enjoy a meeting talking to old friends and just keeping up with the direction of NYSTA. Others now need to step up to the plate to keep our association moving in the right direction.
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Post by trapperjack on Dec 26, 2019 12:02:42 GMT -5
Website still down I see. I started trying to access in early August.
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Post by Steve D on Dec 26, 2019 13:14:05 GMT -5
Website still down I see. I started trying to access in early August. I just accessed it a few minutes ago....Nothing new but it was still there
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Post by paintedpaw on Dec 27, 2019 10:39:53 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I have NEVER criticized the Flatiron gang auction at the convention. I consider Von Strahn to be a good friend and it is a great function. Others might not agree, but it is how I feel. I also give Bill Swagler a lot of praise for stepping in and for all that he has done. There still are a lot of good people in NYSTA and I want the organization to succeed. I stand by my statements about the drama and I have deep concerns for the future. I still think communication with the membership is a must and we are failing at that. At very least there should be posts in the NYS column of the Trapper's Post in EVERY issue, by OTHER officers and Directors, Legislative Liason, and not just falling on the President's duties. Collecting E-Mail addresses does not work because they are constantly changing, some don't want to give them out, and there are even some Directors without E-Mail.
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Post by milkie62 on Jan 1, 2020 23:07:54 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I have NEVER criticized the Flatiron gang auction at the convention. I consider Von Strahn to be a good friend and it is a great function. Others might not agree, but it is how I feel. I also give Bill Swagler a lot of praise for stepping in and for all that he has done. There still are a lot of good people in NYSTA and I want the organization to succeed. I stand by my statements about the drama and I have deep concerns for the future. I still think communication with the membership is a must and we are failing at that. At very least there should be posts in the NYS column of the Trapper's Post in EVERY issue, by OTHER officers and Directors, Legislative Liason, and not just falling on the President's duties. Collecting E-Mail addresses does not work because they are constantly changing, some don't want to give them out, and there are even some Directors without E-Mail. I think the drama is over as of now. There is a very good group working together in an attempt to keep NYSTA moving in the right direction. Just my opinion though. But to let you know Al, the Flatiron group has been criticized in the past but I back them 100% for what they do during the convention in helping to raise funds for the youth.
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Post by andy95 on Jan 4, 2020 20:59:09 GMT -5
I am trying to become a new member and I payed the membership fee thru papal on your web site. I was never contacted about my login info or anything so i sent an email to the webmaster, But I never got a response. I did this about November of 2019. Any information on what is going on or another way to join would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by trapperjack on Jan 4, 2020 21:34:57 GMT -5
Yup. Seems about right lately. Sad
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Post by andy95 on Jan 5, 2020 16:18:41 GMT -5
Are they even still an organization?
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Post by trapperjack on Jan 5, 2020 21:54:21 GMT -5
One more thing that thoroughly disgusts me is the theft of money by a former Treasurer. This case drags on and on and on, and he skates free. There is always some excuse that nothing is happening and nobody seems to be pushing the issue. The longer it goes the more difficult it becomes. We need to hire an aggressive lawyer. I wonder if we will ever recover anything at the rate we are going. At least that SOB belongs in jail. A common thief. Absolutely!!!!!
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Post by andy95 on Jan 6, 2020 16:56:02 GMT -5
I agree that the former Treasurer belongs in jail. Is there another way besides the website that I can join and become a new member?
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Post by bill1960 on Jan 6, 2020 20:39:54 GMT -5
andy95 PM me your address and I will send you the application Thanks Bill
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Post by milkie62 on Jan 6, 2020 22:01:53 GMT -5
One more thing that thoroughly disgusts me is the theft of money by a former Treasurer. This case drags on and on and on, and he skates free. There is always some excuse that nothing is happening and nobody seems to be pushing the issue. The longer it goes the more difficult it becomes. We need to hire an aggressive lawyer. I wonder if we will ever recover anything at the rate we are going. At least that SOB belongs in jail. A common thief. Absolutely!!!!! Al, come to a meeting for an update.
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Post by whartonrattrapper on Jan 7, 2020 10:42:18 GMT -5
Al, come to a meeting for an update. This is exactly what many (ex) members are fed up with. No communication with the rank and file. You have to be SOMEBODY to have any idea what's happening with NYSTA.
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Post by trapperjack on Jan 7, 2020 18:30:56 GMT -5
Who is Al? I am Jack. I would come to a meeting if closer. Exit 29 on Northway.
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