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Post by sodusguy09 on Oct 9, 2019 17:07:23 GMT -5
Anybody else south of oswego county think we should have a our rat and beaver season extend at least until April 1st?
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Post by trappermac on Oct 9, 2019 18:20:55 GMT -5
Yep. Used to have one in the southern zone when I was young, some of my fondest memories trapping in the spring for rats. I'd be happy with the season open until mid March. I guess when they think southern zone they think southern states, like we're 70's and sunny.
And give us a 10 day fisher season opening in December after deer season. Would love that. Not this stupid 5 day trophy season when the fur is crap...what a waste of a valuable resource.
But, when pigs fly as they say....
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Post by sodusguy09 on Oct 10, 2019 6:39:03 GMT -5
Mid to late march would be great. Most years we have a short period before ice up and with the lake effect its usually white ice so forget bubble trails. Most of us can only trap on the weekends due to work so in reality our season is real short to have a chance at catching very many. Along the lake where heavy snow is a problem we should absolutely have an extended season into the spring.
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Post by whartonrattrapper on Oct 10, 2019 6:58:37 GMT -5
Yep. And give us a 10 day fisher season opening in December after deer season. Would love that. Not this stupid 5 day trophy season when the fur is crap...what a waste of a valuable resource. But, when pigs fly as they say.... Hey Mac,did you hear silly rumor about the trophy Otter season next year?
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Post by tmc on Oct 10, 2019 7:50:12 GMT -5
I'm in 6S, our season for mink/muskrat/beaver runs from 11/10 to 4/7. Southern Zone. Not sure why it's not the old way when it was Northern Zone and Southern Zone. I think the break up into WMU's was as much or more for political reasons as for "management" reasons. But it's New Yorkistan, Albany doesn't much care what we think. Sometimes I doubt they believe we CAN think. Knuckle-draggers, to them we are. (<---better with Yoda's voice lol)
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Post by paintedpaw on Oct 10, 2019 10:13:04 GMT -5
I wonder what bean counter in Albany dreamed up the WMU's and I ask what did they really produce? Have to agree with the suggestion of a 10 day fisher season in the southern zone in December. Might not be a bad idea for the entire state. This "trophy" mentality is stupidity in it's highest. Harvesting a valuable resource when it's not prime. I would not mind a shorter season in the Adirondacks as long as it was in December. Only trouble with that is once you give up something you never get it back. And they call it "Management".
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Post by trappermac on Oct 10, 2019 10:34:11 GMT -5
Yep. And give us a 10 day fisher season opening in December after deer season. Would love that. Not this stupid 5 day trophy season when the fur is crap...what a waste of a valuable resource. But, when pigs fly as they say.... Hey Mac,did you hear silly rumor about the trophy Otter season next year? No I did not...tell me.
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Post by whartonrattrapper on Oct 10, 2019 11:05:37 GMT -5
This is second hand info...so take it for what it's worth. I was told there was talk at the furbearers meeting of a short Otter season in the southern zone along the lines of the Fisher season. Not necessarily the same dates, but a short season. I was also told that the southern Fisher season dates will not change for the next 4 years, not because there is not an abundant population, but due too many access roads where they can be trapped. It's thought that the population wouldn't sustain the pressure of a longer season. So this is what we are stuck with, maybe forever. Actually it's third hand info so maybe worth even less... As for the muskrat season I'm 2 hours south and east of Oswego county in the southeastern zone, and my season goes from Nov. 10 to April 7. 1/2 mile from my back door in the southern zone the season is Nov. 25 to Feb 15. Three years out of Four there is virtually no open water season in the southern zone, where it butts up against the southeastern zone where I live.
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Post by tmc on Oct 10, 2019 12:20:48 GMT -5
Remember, "WMU's" started out as DMU's, or DEER management units... For the politically powerful (relatively) deer hunters in the state, not for us knuckle-dragger trapper types. Lazy maybe, but for whatever reason those same delineated units became micro environments for ALL species within said boundaries regardless any actual or imagined discrepancies between species-specific requirements.
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Post by bill1960 on Oct 11, 2019 11:17:12 GMT -5
This is second hand info...so take it for what it's worth. I was told there was talk at the furbearers meeting of a short Otter season in the southern zone along the lines of the Fisher season. Not necessarily the same dates, but a short season. I was also told that the southern Fisher season dates will not change for the next 4 years, not because there is not an abundant population, but due too many access roads where they can be trapped. It's thought that the population wouldn't sustain the pressure of a longer season. So this is what we are stuck with, maybe forever. Actually it's third hand info so maybe worth even less... As for the muskrat season I'm 2 hours south and east of Oswego county in the southeastern zone, and my season goes from Nov. 10 to April 7. 1/2 mile from my back door in the southern zone the season is Nov. 25 to Feb 15. Three years out of Four there is virtually no open water season in the southern zone, where it butts up against the southeastern zone where I live. Nothing you said on the otter season or Fisher season it true nothing is set in stone yet so please quit spreading rumors when it does get set in stone there will be a notice sent out Thanks Bill
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Post by tmc on Oct 11, 2019 18:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by Zagman on Oct 14, 2019 8:43:18 GMT -5
Not sure about my memory here....I've been in CNY since 1988.......I SWEAR at one point we had a spring season on rats and beaver in the Southern Zone....if I recall, it was something they added during the season. In other words, the dates were NOT picked until later in the year, so it was NOT in the regs you get when you buy your license.....and the made an announcement, the rat season went along with the spring season, so you could keep incedentals....
Am I on crack?
MZ
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Post by trappermac on Oct 14, 2019 9:13:33 GMT -5
No clue whether or not you're on crack, but we did have a spring season at one time. I was still walking my line which was the swamps along and between the RR tracks in Lackawanna near Bethlehem Steel...so I was probably 14, 15. That would have been around 1970. Don't recall at all how many seasons we had one though, but not many if more than one.
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Post by whartonrattrapper on Oct 14, 2019 9:17:19 GMT -5
Nothing you said on the otter season or Fisher season it true nothing is set in stone yet so please quit spreading rumors when it does get set in stone there will be a notice sent out Thanks Bill
Bill, will you deny that anything I said was not discussed at the meeting?
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Post by austin on Oct 14, 2019 18:46:03 GMT -5
Not sure about my memory here....I've been in CNY since 1988.......I SWEAR at one point we had a spring season on rats and beaver in the Southern Zone....if I recall, it was something they added during the season. In other words, the dates were NOT picked until later in the year, so it was NOT in the regs you get when you buy your license.....and the made an announcement, the rat season went along with the spring season, so you could keep incedentals.... Am I on crack? MZ you and Von are both much older than me... must have been before my time
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Post by walleyed on Oct 14, 2019 19:13:10 GMT -5
No clue whether or not you're on crack, but we did have a spring season at one time. I was still walking my line which was the swamps along and between the RR tracks in Lackawanna near Bethlehem Steel...so I was probably 14, 15. That would have been around 1970. Don't recall at all how many seasons we had one though, but not many if more than one. The last stand alone spring rat trapping season in the Southern or South-western zone was the spring of 1976. DEC closed it after the 1976 yearly Rat harvest dropped below 1 million rats. It was purported to be around 600,000 so DEC panicked and closed it "temporarily" until the rat harvest rebounded. I believe it had previously been 1.5 million statewide in 1975 or maybe 1.2 million. I am not pulling random numbers out of the air, as the information was printed in the stand alone trapping syllabus in the fall of 1977. I'd consult my copy but I gave mine to John Rockwood. If you doubt me, check with Rockwood. Zagbagger is also correct. At one time, They allowed the retention of spring rats taken as incidentals while Beaver trapping But then DEC did away with it when they realized people were gaming the system by intentionally setting for muskrat w
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Post by trappermac on Oct 14, 2019 19:39:34 GMT -5
You could be correct, I don't remember how long they had the spring season back then. I'm old.. , by 73 I was trapping the Iroquois/tonawanda/oak orchard complexes who set their own seasons and did not include a spring season if I remember correctly...again, using my old card. Although I do remember the seasons running until sometime in early March for a while...I think.. . Either way..it's been a while, a long while, and our season opens after freeze up for many of us in the southern snow belt.
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Post by bill1960 on Oct 14, 2019 20:54:43 GMT -5
Nothing you said on the otter season or Fisher season it true nothing is set in stone yet so please quit spreading rumors when it does get set in stone there will be a notice sent out Thanks Bill
Bill, will you deny that anything I said was not discussed at the meeting?
Fisher and Otter where discussed at the meeting but not like what you heard I believe some or most of what was discussed will have have to go out for public comments before anything can get changed but am not sure on that part if I hear anything that we can go public with I will or someone will write it up and post it, until then please be patient
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Post by walleyed on Oct 15, 2019 15:31:07 GMT -5
You could be correct, I don't remember how long they had the spring season back then. Although I do remember the seasons running until sometime in early March for a while...I think.. . Either way..it's been a while I believe it was open until March 15th. At least it was in the Spring of 1975 and 1976. Come on Mac, You're not THAT old. Flatiron Von is way older than you. w
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Post by milkie62 on Oct 16, 2019 12:04:23 GMT -5
From what I can recall back around '72-'73 Rentler County rat season ended about March 28 and Washington County ended around April 7 or 10. I use to envy my cousin who was only 30 miles away with an extra 10 days or so to trap with no snow.
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Post by flatiron on Oct 17, 2019 18:55:56 GMT -5
Last spring rat season was 1973
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Post by walleyed on Oct 18, 2019 13:03:00 GMT -5
Last spring rat season was 1973 Perhaps that was in the South-Western Zone, Grandpa. Where I trapped in Central New York in Onondaga County, It was definitely 1976. Ask Rockwood to show you that Trapping pamphlet map from the 1976-77 trapping season. w
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Post by herm on Oct 25, 2019 8:28:00 GMT -5
The last spring rat season ( March 15th)here in Wayne Co. was 1976. However it used to be that if the DEC decided to open up and extend the beaver season, rat season was opened along with the beaver season which has happened since the last spring rat season of 1976.
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