Denny-----Before you go any further---sit down take a big deep breath---and think---what am I trying to accomplish ??NOW comes the Secret ingrediant that every one has---- (BUT YOU)ITS the main -stay of trapping lures.-----you cant fuction without it---none of us can---BUY A NOTE BOOK ----AND WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN----I mean everything.---With this note book ---YOU will stop going in circles----Your life should be a little easier.
Denny---what was the third question you asked?? and what was the answer? how many answers did you get??See with THAT NOTE BOOK YOU WOULD KNOW--- I AM NOT TRYING TO GIVE YOU A HARD TIME ----I am trying to help you---I dont think there is a person on this site that works with LURE--that dont have a NOTE BOOK or 5 ----VERY INPORTANT THING TO HAVE.-----
yup bill, your note book tip saved me already a few times... amazing when you come back a year later and try to remember amounts and ingrediants... even for your side experiments, jar one, two and three... when you start getting use to some ingrediants that tend to mushroom or totally change odor when mixed with another... jim
good notes are important... need to leave room in the page or pages for new ideas for your build to improve it and the results as you go...
lol... one all call fisher and mink lure ended up being a dandy k9 lure... needs to go in the notes!!... plus history background if any...
one k9 lure i really like, i recieved some help from bill, part of the build i call the (bill/ward mix) the part that makes it work as good as it does if you ask me... recorded it that way so i can remember where the idea originated... its all history and should be recorded, some of my thoughts anyway for what there worth on notes... jim
I keep a journal for proven formulas, base mixtures, ingredients and permanent information. A notebook for works in progress. Another notebook and several trail cameras for field evaluation and testing
Post by bobsamuelson on Apr 9, 2011 17:32:04 GMT -5
There are many "secret" additives that can be added to glands to make a gland lure. Some of them enhance the formulation to make the mix more attractive to your prey species. Others are classified as "fixatives". These are ingredients that, along with enhancing the other ingredients, act as a "stop" to the aging or blending process. By that, I mean that the process of the glands and all the other ingredients will cease to meld together, thus allowing you to retain the lures odor where you want it. There are a couple of books, possibly more, that cover the lure making aspect very well. One is, "Formulating & Compounding Animal Lures & Baits" by Nick Wyshinski, and the other is "Myths, Musks & Misconceptions" by Russ Carmen. Both do a good job explaining how the different ingredients work in conjunction to other ingredients in a lure formulation. Some will enhance the mix, while others will "push" out various odors from the lure, so as not to have one odor over power another. As far as bases for a lure, many gland lure formulations contain some form of oil or grease. They can be pressed oil, which is fairly mild, or sun rendered, which gives you a loud base attractant. Other grease type of bases can be vaseline, lanolin, and tallow. It just depends on the type of lure you are constructing, be it a paste type where you want it to stay put & be waterproof, then a grease base would be best. It all depends on what you are trying to accomplish as well as what species you are targeting. Hope this helps add to this discussion!
I used to have Super Human Abilities...but my Therapist took them away!
don't fixatives help control evaporation rates of volatile or essential oils that tend to dissipate quicker than others... i kinda thought they were the part that helped hold the undertones so to speak together... maybe were saying the same thing, i dont know... think its the complete stop part that got me ... jim
I think you are each saying the same thing-----Reread it a couple of times---think everyone is on the same track.----Or may-be its me ----my excuse is Iam old ---how you guys doing.? A fixative---holds a lure at a selected oder----or stops the lure ingredients from processing any more---same in my book.
denny...never figured it out fully myself... these other guys been at it longer than me, more than likely comprehend things a whole lot better also ...
the way i comprehend it ... that's a scary thought, which came first the chicken or the egg, is you have different spikes or notes.. high medium and low...spikes if your looking at a chart... alto tenor or base if your trying to comprehend it in music ... the way you mix those spikes or notes create the olfactory music or flow chart... each spike or notes have different volatile properties or evaporation rates... your fixative should be the spike that holds them together or stops them at the point you want the blend to stabilize...
but like ricky use to say to lucy.... you got some splainin to do... or which came first the chicken or the egg... lots of blending of different parts in building the lure and different parts may contain fatty acids, lipids,etc.. that affect how something evaporates or disperses..
like i said these other guys been at it longer than me and i may be totally off base the way someone else may stand back look at it or formulate... kinda use to 2x4's, sticks and stones for being wrong or at least wrong in part from all different directions and deserve most of them, so with that disclaimer out there, figured i try and answer your question best i could... not saying im a hundred percent right... just the way i kinda look at it a little... pretty sure others have different opinions... but thats how you learn by expressing, comparing and testing them.. i guess... jim
Although not as thought provocing and well detailed as Mr Severings responce: In simple terms a fixative is an enhancing ingredient used to set/hold the desired odor of your concoction to what that odor is at the time you add the fixative. Regards papabear
Last Edit: Apr 14, 2011 9:58:49 GMT -5 by papabear
Even though WE as lure builders --- add fixatives to our mixtures in the hopes to hold the desired oder----WHAT about the ageing effect that usually occures in our mixtures --- with time????I know the question is loaded---but I think trapping season is over for most of us---why not jump in up to out necks? Might turn into a good summer time discussion.
Not a lure maker.....I make a few simple things purely because I have access to the goodies:
* Beaver lure (castor and glycerine) *Red fox gland lure: glands, galls, urine
I guess you can make things as simple or as complicated as you want.
My sense is that the two things I make above are pretty good.......and the results are there. Can they be improved?
But, if a guys wants to get along just fine, without a lot of fuss or muss, I'd think he could do just that with nothing more than what is shown above.
When I was "mad at ducks", I never wanted to carve decoys. Left it to the experts.
As a trapper, there are a lot of good lures out there commercially manufactured...........I am not a lure maker, and like decoys, dont see myself going down that road.
But, I would not hesitate to compare the results of my red fox gland lure with others on the market...and since I dont believe in magic in a bottle, if I do my REAL job in trapping.....putting sets in the right place and keeping them operative, I truly believe that ANY quality lure will produce with nearly identical results......for me.
I will admit, I DO like catching on my own stuff and can certainly see the appeal others receive in knowing that OTHERS are catching on their stuff.
I have tried adding other things to my lure.....one year, I had a lot of liver in my gland lure.
Geffert was picking up his bucket of coyote glands from me at the NY RONDY......so, I thought I'd bring my lure as well for him to smell.
Well, it hadn't "set up" yet, and riding over to Fenner got the quart of gland lure shaken up a bit.
When I went to show him, the stuff was OOOZING out of the jar and it looked like the lid was going to explode.
Jim and Brad backed up away from my tailgate with disgusted looks on their faces.....duly unimpressed.
Another reason to let the experts mix their snake oil.....and I no longer add THAT MUCH liver to my gland lure!
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