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Post by bobsamuelson on Feb 27, 2011 15:11:21 GMT -5
Okay, in the pics are from top to bottom, fox caught using the projection set. The bottom 3 pics are the set itself, with side & front angles. The top fox was caught in the set pics at bottom. The fox with 2 traps was one where I added a second trap because of a pesky coyote kept stealing my stick! Coyotes stealing the stick is one of the only real problems I have encountered with this set.
Hope this helps. Any questions or comments, please feel free to ask.
Bob Samuelson
P.S. Ignore the dates on the pics! When I change batteries, I often just fire up the camera I take pics without resetting the date!
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Post by Denny Emery on Feb 27, 2011 15:29:30 GMT -5
Where is the pan in relation to the end of the projection?
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Post by bobsamuelson on Feb 27, 2011 15:35:02 GMT -5
denny, if you look at the end of the stick, draw a straight line down to the ground, almost like a "drip" line. That is where the inside jaw is. The fox will smell, rub & bite on the lured end of the stick. While he is doing that, his feet are moving forward, and with the pan being out about 3 to 4 inches from the "drip line" lines the foot up with the pan. Also, you can use anything of projection. Sometimes if trapping along a cornfield, I use a piece of cornstalk.
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Post by Denny Emery on Feb 27, 2011 15:45:13 GMT -5
OK, I am picking up what you are putting down. Offset left or right at all or just straight on?
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Post by papabear on Feb 27, 2011 15:54:28 GMT -5
Dear Friends, Thank you kindly, you guys sharing your knowledge is greatly appreciated. Regards papabear
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Post by frankd on Feb 27, 2011 16:26:43 GMT -5
Great pics of sets. Real nice gray pic!
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Post by bobsamuelson on Feb 27, 2011 16:59:09 GMT -5
denny, the way they approach the set is from the side. (I have seen this from when we have snow) and from that angle the trap is automatically offset. Even if they approach from straight in, the way they work the lure is from the side angle. So to answer your question, the pan is straight out from the end of the stick.
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Post by Denny Emery on Feb 27, 2011 17:41:48 GMT -5
Thanks. Could you put some outside blocking to really force the foot on the outside of the far jaw? Maybe to create a sort of walk through set?
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Post by papabear on Feb 27, 2011 17:50:14 GMT -5
Dear Denny E, First, thanks for asking the questions, you must have been reading my mind, I dont think blocking is necessary because the critters attention is focused on the attractant on the projected object, not on where its placing its feet. Regards papabear
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Post by Denny Emery on Feb 27, 2011 18:20:43 GMT -5
That's how you get to the bottom of things, by asking questions. Like you
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Post by bobsamuelson on Feb 27, 2011 18:44:14 GMT -5
Denny, I have used blocking, but have found that sometimes they stand on it to smell the end of the stick! (again, snow tells great stories!) If I were to use some type of blocking again, it would be something very subtle, like a stick or small stone.
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Post by jdpaint on Feb 27, 2011 20:12:52 GMT -5
Good pics Bob, looks like a good set for a group . The coyotes coming from the back to steal the stick ? I wonder if making a new dirthole next to the old set with a lured stick down it would catch the stick thief ?You using 401 or some concoction for your sticks?Sure is a good thread!!
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Post by bobsamuelson on Feb 27, 2011 20:24:59 GMT -5
jd, 401 is a beaver lure. I have been using a red fox gland lure and another lure that I have been working on just for that set. Have been having very good results, until it gets below freezing! Still working on something when the temps get cold!
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Post by Denny Emery on Feb 27, 2011 20:32:03 GMT -5
Is this something that would be a good candidate for a beaver castor lure? Just guessing
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Post by jdpaint on Feb 27, 2011 20:46:49 GMT -5
Thanks,I have several of your lures and like them alot.One more question have you tried luring down low and the end of your stick to help with coyote and foot placement ,shuffle?I was using bigger projections ,stumps,saplings for rubs. Looks like a fun set to play with , ever use a charcoal stick?
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Post by bobsamuelson on Feb 27, 2011 21:24:30 GMT -5
I don't put anything down low, as I want the fox (or coyote) attention up at eye level. I don't think the coyotes are stealing the stick from the back, I think they work the set, but because they are bigger than a fox they grab the stick and go. I have never used a charcoal stick as I usually improvise at the set. I have enough stuff in my bucket as it is! LOL
denny, yes my 401 is a beaver lure, that as of yet, has not worked as a K9 change-up. It is a castor based lure.
One thing I would like to add is how quickly this set goes in. Bed the trap, take your stake driver & ream out a hole, jam the stick into the hole, ad lure & go! Very quick and not very noticeable to hunters & "jonny sneakum"!
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Post by mole on Feb 28, 2011 17:36:03 GMT -5
Hello, Been following this thread with interest. Not to nit pick but What is the desired responce/ Approach and rub or to actually bite pull. Thank You Ed
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Post by papabear on Feb 28, 2011 18:10:37 GMT -5
Dear Friend, I would want the fox to lick and rub at the projection, therefore spending enough time at the set until caught. I think a couple drops of tinctured castor or a curiosity/call lure would achieve the desired reaction. Regards papabear
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Post by bobsamuelson on Feb 28, 2011 20:44:54 GMT -5
Hi Ed. The desired response is to rub or smell the attractant on the end of the stick or projection. They will actually bite or chew the lured end of the stick completely off if not caught in the trap! (Another tell-tale from snow, when trap gets frozen & won't fire!) That is the response from coyotes, but they actually steal the stick! The approach is from the side as the fox actually wants to rub its chin and along the side of the jaw line on the lured end of the stick. Much the same response to rolling on something smelly or rancid. Often times when skinning the fox, I notice the lure odor on the jaw/throat area. If the interest is there, I can show this again at the rondy.
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Post by mole on Mar 1, 2011 4:55:50 GMT -5
Bob, I cant speak for others but I would like a real life Demo on the subject. Thank You Ed
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Post by bobsamuelson on Mar 1, 2011 9:48:13 GMT -5
Ed, I can do that! Whether it is an actual demo or just a small group/one on one, I can do that. Actually very simple as set up is only less than 5 minutes, but then could be talking about lure, location, visibility, and set dynamics or why & how this set works.
Wayne, I may actually do more than one demo!
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Post by papabear on Mar 1, 2011 13:13:40 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Samuelson, I, too, would like to see your demo. Thank you I am looking forward to it. Regards papabear
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Post by bobsamuelson on Mar 1, 2011 14:43:38 GMT -5
Looks like I will be doing more than one demo! ;D Both on Saturday, as I cannot be there on Friday.
I'll bring more pics, too!
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Post by kirkwooder on Dec 4, 2014 18:00:08 GMT -5
I hate to drag up a thread from the distant past, however, I read through this before the Orange invasion and tried two of these sets in the days before I pulled. Now, with the orange hoard dwindling down to near nothing, I would like to try this again. I really like this set. It really seems to draw attention from whatever passes by, especially possums. I caught one in each of these sets the first knight out, both were caught by the hind feet, leading me to believe that they stood up to better smell my lure. That tells me my pan tension should be good. The following check I found a snapped trap with grey fur in it. It appeared to me that a grey fox rolled on the trap bed. The sets appeared to be unvisited for the next couple nights when I pulled for deer season. I used Minnesota Red gland lure at both sets.
I have a few questions to those of you who run these sets. Have any of you ever used two traps at the lured point? Using drags instead of staking, do any of you think that multiples could be taken, or at least keep the set working if a less than desirable critter (Possum/Skunk) is caught first? If two traps are used, what kind of placement would you recommend? Would you place one outside the other, or side by side? Maybe a trap set at a distance with some guiding?
I see most of you mention a gland lure. What do you find to be your second choice of lure, after the gland? What is your go to lure?
If I used larger log sized posts, instead of the smaller stick size projection, would that make a difference in the coyote theives? My thought is that If I used something large enough, say a 4"x 10' limb, that a coyote can't run off with it. Or do you think the larger post would be a deterrent to the fox?
I'll be setting where there are both fox (red and grey) and Coyote, and really wouldn't mind catching either. Would you suggest any changes that would make this less selective?
Any ideas you might have, please share. Thanks, Dave.
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Post by REDNECK on Dec 4, 2014 20:45:13 GMT -5
I will be using this set soon as well no hay sets for me I will use this on a few trail sets with sticks stick in out on the trail
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