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Post by PnM on Jul 13, 2010 11:58:03 GMT -5
This thread, on a public forum, is sugar in PETA's coffee.
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Post by walleyed on Jul 13, 2010 12:09:29 GMT -5
I would love to see a primitive weapon.... err, ah (tool) season for the taking of whitetail deer.
Using the Atlatl, Javelin, or spear to kill..... oops, ah (harvest) a deer would be the a rush and the ultimate primitive hunting season.
we could open it a week prior to the "traditional" bow season so we would have a full week of undisturbed woodlands with deer in their natural state of relaxation to give us purist neanderthal knuckle dragging throwbacks a fighting chance to match wits and senses with the wily whitetail.
And we could start Zagman's coyote season 1 week before that. (I'm actually very much for an earlier K-9 opener)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 12:10:46 GMT -5
I resent that comment about "lack of respect for wildlife" WTF is that supposed to mean? Only bowhunters can kill a deer with integrity...what a bunch of BS coming from a trapper. Thank you Dale, that's exactly what set me off.
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Post by Woj on Jul 13, 2010 13:24:40 GMT -5
Also with that being said, how is this going to effect the number of deer taken ILLEGALLY?! You can shoot fairly far and silently straight from a car! Just my thoughts... Nothing stops someone from doing that now, whether crossbows are legal to hunt deer or not. I have found several deer in the last 15 years that have been shot with what appears to be a .22 . . . I personally don't care either way about the crossbow. I am not invested one way or the other but I don't think illegal activity is going to be affected. Guys have illegally shot deer with rifles for years in shotgun only areas. . .and still do. Bandits are bandits . . .
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Post by steinea286 on Jul 13, 2010 13:50:37 GMT -5
Nick, you are correnct, 100%. It happens all throughout the state, but with crossbows, I feel that the silence of the "tool" and its ability to shoot longer ranges, gives bandits more of an opportunity to harvest deer illegally and then....get away with it. Maybe its just me but the sounds of rifles/shotguns/handguns going off in complete darkness is something more likely to be reported...but who am I lol
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Post by trappermac on Jul 13, 2010 13:49:55 GMT -5
I resent that comment about "lack of respect for wildlife" WTF is that supposed to mean? Only bowhunters can kill a deer with integrity...what a bunch of BS coming from a trapper. . That comment of mine was in response to the comment "who cares what implement, just get them harvested"...which to me is disrespectful to the hunting of deer and wildlife in general. It's akin to saying who cares what trap, just catch-em. No connotation relative to bowhunting with my remark was implied. But I believe (and I know others on here who also do but will never speak up) that if you think that way, well, your reasons for hunting are far different than mine. Gun or bow. Yeah Dale, I'm a trapper, and I have my opinions on things like anyone else. The "purist" remark gets old real quick. I just care about bowhunting and where it is headed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 14:01:42 GMT -5
So trapper Mac, if crossbows are allowed during Bow Season, just please explain to me how that will effect your ability to harvest a animal with your Bow?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 14:07:57 GMT -5
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That comment of mine was in response to the comment "who cares what implement, just get them harvested"...which to me is disrespectful to the hunting of deer and wildlife in general. It's akin to saying who cares what trap, just catch-em. No connotation relative to bowhunting with my remark was implied. But I believe (and I know others on here who also do but will never speak up) that if you think that way, well, your reasons for hunting are far different than mine. Gun or bow.
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So that makes me unethical? Because I choose to harvest an animal for food with any implement I feel is worthy? Your unethical to me....... your trying to limit the outdoor experiences of your fellow NY sportsmen because you think your nuts don't stink.
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Post by flatiron on Jul 13, 2010 15:54:59 GMT -5
Not 40 States have the crossbow ---------------only 14 !I've been and hunted in Ohio and now there are fewer archers in that State because of the crossbow . Geeez , lets get lazer guns approved also ! I have been a member at a archery Club which is the oldest in the State since 1974 , looks like it will be the last stronghold where I won't have to look at one of those things . Unlike most bowhunters ( and I bowhunt very little anymore ) I shoot archery year round . The whole process of this crossbow thing was manufactured by the crossbow manufactures . Wayne , back when Howie was at the Spring meeting what do you think his agenda was about then ? Yep! we'll be seeing lots more deer killed and not recovered much like we've been seeing w/ the advent of those long range shooters w/ compounds . Most of the deer idiots in my area have already started shopping for the mac daddy crossbow and are hoping w/in another year it will be used during the regular season -------------yep! just a matter of time and that will happen too! The State needs deer harvested BUT few will fill tags w/ what a hunter would call a scrub buck . I like shooting big bucks too , it doesn't happen every year . Deer management is so screwed up and the fact that license sales are a main source of income we will continue to see longer seasons . It sickens me deeply to see a once cherished and love of the outdoors sold out to a corprate cause . I shot IBO and ASA (professinal shoots for $)shoots for many years w/ a recurve , There was very little money for Traditional shooters ----WHY , there was nothing new that could be invented for the Trad shooters and those bows are on the low end of sales in every way . This whole thing is BS , I knew several of the men who orginally work hard long hours for several years to establish an archery season . Gezz , all they had to do is wine and dine outdoor writers and spend millions of dollars w/ something to sell and they'd got what they wanted . Its been hard enough to encourage young archery shooters the last few years BUT I bet we'll be seeing a new group emerge carry the hand me down crossbow their old man had the year before . Not much skill in using one of them and now we will be able to really reach out and hit that big buck ! A SAD DAy INDEED!
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Post by yoteman on Jul 13, 2010 15:57:08 GMT -5
What I hate is when someone starts blurting out opinons and call them fact. If you don't like something, say I don't like it. If you don't like liver say I don't like liver. Don't say liver does not taste good, that's just an opinion. Here are some proven facts:Most compounds are discharged by pulling a trigger, many while looking through a scope. A 70lb. compount with 65% let off takes 24 1/2 lbs. to hold back. A compound bow is quieter than a crossbow, a compound can be fired more rapid than a crossbow, a compound retains more energy than a compound, A compound is deadlier at a farther distance than a crossbow. Knowing these proven facts which of the 2 is a better instrument to poach with. Not that it matters as 94% of poaching is done with a very load rifle. And what is more important is that absolutely no poaching is done by a "sportsman" One last word: No one and I mean no one decides for me what my hunting impliment of choice is but myself, regardless how big of a company they are or how much money they spend to promote thier products' I am old enough to make my own decisions.
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Post by yoteman on Jul 13, 2010 16:27:26 GMT -5
Correction: A compound bow retains more energy than a crossbow.
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Post by yoteman on Jul 13, 2010 16:34:08 GMT -5
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Post by yoteman on Jul 13, 2010 16:43:36 GMT -5
A legal traditional bow:http://www.huntersfriend.com/2010_Quest_Smoke_Single_Cam_Bow/smoke_solocam_quiet_smooth_compound_package.htm
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Post by chicken on Jul 14, 2010 12:27:25 GMT -5
I haven't read the new law BUT as a purist traditional archer IT(the crossbow ) will be the deathnail to archery as we know it ! Another license fee I'm sure ! the main reason for the signing -----------more money . I've fought this thing for years , if you were for this bill --------------you sure were not an archer ! I am not sure how to respond to this quote yet.....It will take me a minute to think of what I would like to say...
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Post by BlackBearBill on Jul 14, 2010 12:37:16 GMT -5
"Yeah, the legislation says that this year (for now) they will only be allowed during the regular season, but we all know how that goes. Money, money, money.....will dictate future moves. They will allow a weapon that is cocked and held back by a mechanism, then shot by pulling a trigger. A gun in essence. Also another great tool for the poacher, lethal, shoots long distances, and best of all is super quiet. Great tool to allow in this state."
I'v never shot one, nor do I plan on shooting one. But from what I read they are not very accurate as the distance grows. Not like a compound bow.
Bill
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Post by outdoorsguy19 on Jul 14, 2010 13:24:04 GMT -5
you can have a trigger and scope on a compound bow. crossbows are not that quiet louder then a compound. theres not gunna be more poaching then there already is.
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Post by Itrapny on Jul 14, 2010 13:41:41 GMT -5
Did I miss something???
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Post by frwo25 on Jul 15, 2010 18:22:28 GMT -5
Great ... it looks like will be buying another lifetime license once they offer one for crossbows. It will compliment my lifetime bow license.
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Post by trapered on Jul 15, 2010 19:57:32 GMT -5
Whats next? Bowling ball season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2010 20:43:13 GMT -5
Heres the problem and whole picture as in why bow hunters don't want cross bows .I use to be in the ranks of the trophy bow hunter and would spend many hrs perched in my tree stand waiting for that monster buck to show up so that i could take a muture buck with my bow so that my thingy would grow.Well after a few years and a little more stupid and crazier it wasn't the thrill of trying to shoot one mature buck it was how many could i shoot with the bow and get away with it ,those braggin rights made my thingy grow even bigger now as sit here and read this nonsense i'm alot older and wiser i have really learned a few things, bow hunters shoot a lot more deer then they let on too and people who are friends all year long become worst enimies during deer season. deer are just glorified goats with bone on there head being a farm boy and seeing the bottom line destruction these four leg creatures can do to a farmers bottom line i hope they kill everyone of them stinkin things with what ever method is available crossbows included. bowhunters don't want crossbows becuse that means that the guys that gun hunt only are going to be trapsing through the woods during what is usually a quite season with a piece of equipment that once sighted in is just like shooting a gunmeaning more guys cutting in on the goods.
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Post by flatiron on Jul 15, 2010 21:34:19 GMT -5
Can't we just axe this thread ? Its caused heart ache and turmoil amongst many friends . Lets keep the political issues on here to trapping . Crossbow crap goes on another site !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2010 21:37:12 GMT -5
I killed a Mountain Lion with a cross bow........................ On the Wii!!!!!!!
Seriously, I agree with Von, this has really ticked a lot of people off, myself included, which has caused hard feelings amongst people on here and several unnecessary events have unfolded due to it....
I used to visit another trapping site and as soon as someone would post an opinionated thread, the administrators would blast the person who posted the topic. Many of those topics were interesting and educational. (Yup Wayne, you guessed it)
Since visiting and participating in this forum, I have never witnessed someone get blasted for their comments up until just recently and each of these threads had very little or nothing to do with Trapping.. Lets get this site back to a trapping site and keep it a top notch forum that it has been all along....
We all have our passions and priorities in life, some very different than others.... We need to keep in mind that all of these "things" that we debate and bicker about could be stripped from us tomorrow, we should be thankful for the freedoms that we do have........
Eric
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Post by yoteman on Jul 15, 2010 22:01:12 GMT -5
I agree whole heartedly with you Eric, although there are hunting boards on this forum I am sure they were not meant for bow hunters rights propaganda. Let's do axe it.
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Post by Woj on Jul 15, 2010 23:09:11 GMT -5
Never seen so much horse$hit fly around through this forum until this post. I agree with Von. Let's get it the hell out of here and put it in the past. Bringing this forum to areas that its never been before. . .and not for the better.
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