tmc
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Post by tmc on Oct 13, 2020 19:27:41 GMT -5
Split seasons. Catch the holidays. Closed season in-between. Ridiculous? And what we have NOW isn't? Meh...
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Post by walleyed on Oct 13, 2020 19:44:27 GMT -5
If only I could keep my October 25th to November 1st week of early muskrat trapping season, I might be able to catch one. I used to tell people I was a muskrat trapper: I got one every year !!! walleyed
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Post by hardwoodcharlie on Oct 14, 2020 13:43:35 GMT -5
Many years I have not filled my tags and it had nothing to do with the season not being long enough.If I had to guess I would say maybe two season out of the 35 seasons I’ve hunted I was not offered a decent shot at deer buck or doe, Most every other year I that I don’t tag out is because I opted not to shoot, be a buck tag or doe tag. If the season was shorter it would result in more hunting pressure per day and in turn would keep the deer moving And that means all the folks out walking their guns would get more chances to gutshoot multiple deer and still not fill any tag... People don’t need more time to keep hunting wrong..they need to learn how to hunt. I’ve hunted state land my whole life and have no problem with the other people in the woods that I’m in, but they all follow the same ridge the same trails 90 percent all have the same cookie cutter methods, and you listen to them complain about the same lackluster results. Year after year it’s the same bla bla bla... By no means am I pro deer hunter but I am smart enough to know that if I do things the same way over and over chances are I’ll get the same results. best of luck guys
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brooklynbeaver
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Oct 14, 2020 15:20:47 GMT -5
Joe...take your stepson trapping instead, let him get some of those easy muskrats you trap. For the kids....it was kids big game weekend this past holiday weekend. I've mentioned before that I border the closest state land to the city of Buffalo, about a 75 min drive. I drove down through the only access road they goes threw it each morning of the special youth hunt and saw one vehicle on Sat, none the other two days. Enough of extending seasons or creating special ones for kids who seem to care less about them. Brooklyn - what the h@ll are you talking about in your latest post?! Trappermac, here in a middle of a melting pot we do understand nor only Spanglish but Russnglish, Hebrenglish . I know it's hard to understand what I said. Same time it was about basics.
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brooklynbeaver
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Oct 14, 2020 15:41:21 GMT -5
Many years I have not filled my tags and it had nothing to do with the season not being long enough.If I had to guess I would say maybe two season out of the 35 seasons I’ve hunted I was not offered a decent shot at deer buck or doe, Most every other year I that I don’t tag out is because I opted not to shoot, be a buck tag or doe tag. If the season was shorter it would result in more hunting pressure per day and in turn would keep the deer moving And that means all the folks out walking their guns would get more chances to gutshoot multiple deer and still not fill any tag... People don’t need more time to keep hunting wrong..they need to learn how to hunt. I’ve hunted state land my whole life and have no problem with the other people in the woods that I’m in, but they all follow the same ridge the same trails 90 percent all have the same cookie cutter methods, and you listen to them complain about the same lackluster results. Year after year it’s the same bla bla bla... By no means am I pro deer hunter but I am smart enough to know that if I do things the same way over and over chances are I’ll get the same results. best of luck guys Hardwoodcharlie, as I can see on your profile we are in the same age category ( after 50 but before 60 ) I was not being able to see where you live and you did not shared those geo locations you hunt public lands. I live in Brooklyn and the closest public deer hunting land with a rifle as an implement is Orange county. Well known to everybody forests and parks. Moving further you can see Sullivan, etc. My spot for the last 14 years is 3N where only shotgun is available to use. I don't remember that year back I was not fulfilled my tags. As well I don't understand about "decent shot" meaning because I always had a chance to choose between 30 ft or 70 ft distance, between a 3+ years doe or 8 pointer buck. In fact, I stopped shooting 4 pointers awaiting for 6+ one next hour or a next day. The topic initially was not about somebody's skills or let me say a talent to hunt and get a deer. The topic was about being pro or cons for longer NYS deer season proposal and I have showed my opinion on such matter - I'm pro. As well I have supported my PRO with seemed solid to me points . It is my personal opinion and to argue with it means wasting time , moreover I'm not going to pull anybody on my side, I'm pretty much self-sufficient during these 3 weeks. BUT having 4 or 6 weeks season duration is gonna leave me with more opportunity to drive to Salmon River and fill my 2-3 days limit for a steelhead, it would let me an extra opportunity to drive somewhere and finally see snow geese and hunt them, etc. With such short deer season I don't have such opportunity because I'm "dedicated" to my goal as a deer hunter missing everything else available at the same season. Got my points ?
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Post by hardwoodcharlie on Oct 14, 2020 17:20:16 GMT -5
Well mr Brooklyn not sure how you thought my post was directed at you???
But if you want to take it as such.....have at it
My response was to air my personal take on a longer season and what it means to ME ....
I cut timber for a living come oct 1st till mid Dec nobody wants you to disturb the sacred deer woods. im not complaining they pay taxes on their land they have that right. Then parts of your trap line gets axed because of deer season, and farmers one after another are signing with hunting lease companies. And just about everyone of them will shut down any trapping and all timber harvesting until deer season ends. Unlike you we don’t reside in Brooklyn..deer season is our back yard for the better part of three months..
And after reading your post I don’t believe a short season is what’s holding you back as much as the place you decided to reside in.
Not attacking you just saying.
Best of luck this season
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Post by milkie62 on Oct 18, 2020 0:28:57 GMT -5
Just because land is not posted does not mean it is open for trespassing. But apparently some people think it is that way. I blocked a guy in on my logging road and walked away. Police called me and asked me when I might be moving it so the trespasser could get out. I asked if I had to move it and he said no but it would be nice. A couple of hrs later I moved it. Was the Police open to the idea of citing the vehicle owner for trespassing, or did the officer say it was a civil matter and they couldn't get involved ? w He was ticketed while I was there, then I walked away. Why shouldn't I get some satisfaction instead of the state getting the fine money ?
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Post by walleyed on Oct 18, 2020 6:24:13 GMT -5
Was the Police open to the idea of citing the vehicle owner for trespassing, or did the officer say it was a civil matter and they couldn't get involved ? w He was ticketed while I was there, then I walked away. Why shouldn't I get some satisfaction instead of the state getting the fine money ? Good Deal. Without a sanction or penalty, trespassers will continue to do what they do. If it costs them a few bucks & they are inconvenienced, maybe they will think twice next time. w
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brooklynbeaver
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Oct 18, 2020 11:47:36 GMT -5
Just go buy you own land to hunt and trap on instead of running dogs on somebody else's land. INDEED !!!!! End of story
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brooklynbeaver
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Oct 18, 2020 11:55:36 GMT -5
Well mr Brooklyn not sure how you thought my post was directed at you??? But if you want to take it as such.....have at it My response was to air my personal take on a longer season and what it means to ME .... I cut timber for a living come oct 1st till mid Dec nobody wants you to disturb the sacred deer woods. im not complaining they pay taxes on their land they have that right. Then parts of your trap line gets axed because of deer season, and farmers one after another are signing with hunting lease companies. And just about everyone of them will shut down any trapping and all timber harvesting until deer season ends. Unlike you we don’t reside in Brooklyn..deer season is our back yard for the better part of three months.. And after reading your post I don’t believe a short season is what’s holding you back as much as the place you decided to reside in. Not attacking you just saying. Best of luck this season Charlie, I need your expertise for logging. Of course after deer season . I have 67 acres in Broom and such land was not harvested for logs probably for 30+ years. I need a decent logger or at least an honest advice about how to settle such cleanse right. In fact, I found a lot on Google about several scenarios dealing with timber buyers and loggers separate and their money each can offer me for my wood. But you know here we are almost friends following same instinct drive - trapping and I though we can help each other on matters aside of that forum. Do you have your will to talk to me off forum about such matter ? If YES, tell me how.
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Post by hardwoodcharlie on Oct 18, 2020 13:42:43 GMT -5
I sent you message Brooklyn, I live about 40 minutes north of broom, I would gladly talk with you about your property and even cruise it with you if you wanted with no obligations. And if you were still interested we could cover some beaver and land sets...
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Zagman
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Post by Zagman on Oct 22, 2020 12:28:02 GMT -5
If you can, write or call you local legislators above and beyond the email to the DEC. It WILL help.....
The guys that are really fighting this are begging for help.....the houndsmen, snowmobilers, QDMA,.....even the Farm Bureau is against it!
You guys up north that it does NOT effect....don't you think if they get it in the south, it could pave the way up north as well?
MZ
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brooklynbeaver
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Oct 22, 2020 16:15:29 GMT -5
I have more problems with deer hunters than I do with hound hunters. That's not the issue here. No your right, it is not the issue. I am a landowner with properties in prime deer hunting in the southern tier that are more than 100 acres, including one that includes access to two wildlife management units on one property. The issue is land use , and if you own the land you can control the activity that occurs there, and influence your neighbors. What we do is to have zero tolerance for any activity that impacts us and the use of the property negatively. Especially in regards to liability. If you don't like rifles used on your land , a late deer season ,,snow machines, tree stands , ect... don't allow it. I mentioned in another post about coyote hunters with the dogs being a problem in the past on places I trap. It is a circus with a lot of trespassing. We shut that down to a large extent on lands we use. As for other trapping interference on land you have permission on ,or state land , if you are harassed , don 't put up with it. Report it and follow up. ECON officers are more than happy to stop that and help you. Also ,ask!. In all the years we have had the property , I can count on one hand the times someone has asked. That, and ask every season. A one time OK is not a lifetime permission , things change over time. I get folks who figure if they have permission on the neighbors they can be on ours. Then there are the ones who put up a stand right at the line, and shoot over our property and want to retrieve the deer there. I think the deer season is long enough and should start at the first week of Dec. and end at the beginning of the last week and a two week bow season to include crossbows before that. But to be honest , at the end of the day if I were to have an afternoon to hunt deer in a late, late season to fill a DMP with my bow or crossbow, I would do that. Actually because I trap hard in the rut ,I don't really have time to hunt deer during the best periods of the deer season and there are too many deer here . What I see is that as to trapping and hunting the bitching is all really about the period from mid Oct to Thanksgiving. I see very little activity after that . They all stay home and sit on their fat butts and watch football or something. I do completely understand those hunters who are same time landlords. You guys have an obvious privilege over us - city residing hunters or the rest poor people who was not smart enough or financially advantaged at a time to purchase such land. As well I do understand this is a FORUM where everybody has its right to express his/her opinion. That is a nature of any Forum. Same time I've been grown up following not common for USA philosophy : to think about others, to take care about those standing behind my back. As well I do understand that poor hunters ( landless ) are much more by number that hunter-landowners and if to put such decision( extension) to vote , landowners are gonna loose definitely. What I'm trying to imply here : people !!!! think about those who have no their land, they cannot hunt sitting on a porch whenever they want or as soon as a deer approached your backyard. They have to plan such trip, agreed with wife, kids, finish all errands, fill tank with gas and drive. Do not forget, us - landless hunters can do THIS only on weekends. Should I repeat in capitals ? WEEKENDS !!! How many weekend days a current hunting season has ? Right - 6. And you - landowners/hunters are voting for the season duration reduction ? Seriously ? I do completely on your side when talking about trespassing issue, no excuses should be. But same time c'mon , let us enjoy such outdoor activity as much as we can. Remember, we pay the same dollar amount for hunting licenses as you but having much-much-much less opportunities to be on a field.
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brooklynbeaver
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Oct 22, 2020 16:19:11 GMT -5
I sent you message Brooklyn, I live about 40 minutes north of broom, I would gladly talk with you about your property and even cruise it with you if you wanted with no obligations. And if you were still interested we could cover some beaver and land sets... Thanks. I'm gonna check but seems I have not get your message. Where did you sent it to ? I used to get a notice upon someone responds to or creates a new post. I have not get any about your post/message. I'm not sure to provide with my cell number is gonna be approp. here. In fact I don't mind but I don;t want to violate sort of Forum policy
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Post by joemarshditchrat on Oct 22, 2020 16:20:20 GMT -5
I am all for a longer deer season, it would give my kid a better chance at killing a deer.
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Post by arran on Oct 24, 2020 9:26:34 GMT -5
Brooklyn beaver, the post about extending the deer season somehow morphed into a trespassing tread, but the main idea I was trying to get across with that post, is that on private land you do have the option off controlling what goes on and if you have permission you have the right to trap there. Deer hunting is not more "special" than trapping or any other activity. That also applies to state land as well. As for the season being lengthened, the fact that it would happen AFTER the fall land trapping prime time conditions would not seem to be an issue. Most of the complainers quit after they cannot access land by their truck, and have to actually walk more than a couple of feet from it. BTW, I trap mostly on private land that I do not own, and it is in lake affect country where a metal detector is an important piece of trapping equipment. Trapping is unique as it requires a lot more real estate than deer hunting. As a landowner , I would like to see the DEC work more with landowners to actually promote more other (besides deer) hunting and trapping by permission only, as that would maybe open up more land for use. That, and really have our back as to liability.The number one reason that we don't allow trespassing without rent or a lease, is because of liability issues. Think about that, with hunting, you have wheelers, guns, dogs, tree stands, and stupid people, ect.... The one who sues you is always the ones who are left. Try paying for insurance and the insane NY property and school taxes, for just more than your personal home that you allow the public access to , and then tell me that we are selfish.
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brooklynbeaver
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Oct 24, 2020 10:26:27 GMT -5
Brooklyn beaver, the post about extending the deer season somehow morphed into a trespassing tread, but the main idea I was trying to get across with that post, is that on private land you do have the option off controlling what goes on and if you have permission you have the right to trap there. Deer hunting is not more "special" than trapping or any other activity. That also applies to state land as well. As for the season being lengthened, the fact that it would happen AFTER the fall land trapping prime time conditions would not seem to be an issue. Most of the complainers quit after they cannot access land by their truck, and have to actually walk more than a couple of feet from it. BTW, I trap mostly on private land that I do not own, and it is in lake affect country where a metal detector is an important piece of trapping equipment. Trapping is unique as it requires a lot more real estate than deer hunting. As a landowner , I would like to see the DEC work more with landowners to actually promote more other (besides deer) hunting and trapping by permission only, as that would maybe open up more land for use. That, and really have our back as to liability.The number one reason that we don't allow trespassing without rent or a lease, is because of liability issues. Think about that, with hunting, you have wheelers, guns, dogs, tree stands, and stupid people, ect.... The one who sues you is always the ones who are left. Try paying for insurance and the insane NY property and school taxes, for just more than your personal home that you allow the public access to , and then tell me that we are selfish. I do appreciate for your reply/comment on my comments. In fact, I found myself pretty lazy one who did not take time to READ such proposal myself before starting my participation. Yesterday I did it and found myself in a deep hole because all such proposal is about BOW hunting that requires additional education, license, tree stand, thoroughly done scouting , physical ability to use 60+ lbs bow, a ladder - zillion things that seems not realistic for my age now if talking about public land. I don't have Up State residing buddy with private land permitted to hunt deer so all such "waves" on this forum about deer hunting season extension proposal which has no relations to me at all, and seem a phantom to me. I don't care about it at all. You are right on that point that such topic silently shifted to a discussion about private land illegal usage by those visitors / trespassers while initial topic was different. I have to admit I won;t spend a minute of my time posting anything toward a proposal that no way touching my interests as a hunter or a trapper. Regardless of the fact I do possess my Mathew and bow hunt education course certificate I cannot hunt with bow anymore.
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Mar 8, 2021 10:33:15 GMT -5
After putting posted signs every 50' I still deal with trespassers on my land every year. The hound hunters are the worse. My crazy Russian mind sometimes brings with pretty much crazy ideas regarding how to keep my private land private. Such ideas obviously came from my childhood ( mid 60's) where movies about WW2 were extremely popular. So my idea is a reflection of Nazi fields of mines set up on fields to prevent Soviet soldiers attacks. Sometimes Germans even posted such fields telling Soviets - Ahtung - mines ! Sometimes it as a point of surprise. As I stated initially it is crazy, but we live in crazy time. I've heard about landowner liability ( still have no idea about what should I be liable toward trespassers possible health damage occurred on my land). Once I asked an attorney about the lawful extension limit to protect my property and such attorney was spooked by my idea to install anti-infantry mines around my property, he has converted such my inquiry into a joke. Which it was. We finally laugh a lot about it. Such crazy idea remains indeed crazy for nowadays because our "dear" trespassers are not invaders or conquistadors and we are not living during a wartime. Indeed, trespassers are not deserved to be killed or seriously injured , they have to be educated somehow else. Yes, I set up several cameras ( no electricity, no WiFi) so I've got many trespasser still images : faces, ATV( no plate numbers) and what can I do now ? I called my county Sheriff office , reported about each incident and ....... nothing. I don't know what those people have visited my land for; for a lumber harvesting or setting traps , I cannot install cameras to cover all 60 acres. While a lot of people have lost their source of income ( because of COVID-19) and 1 solid wood log from my forest could be sold to a sawmill for $100.00 my concern about trespassers rings more loudly. I want to hear from experienced landowners about more "human" but same time effective measurements to do to prevent my land from trespassers visitations ( leaving them alive ).
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Post by coyote44 on Mar 19, 2021 6:55:01 GMT -5
Deer season is way to long already. Is the NY DEC trying to eradicate the deer species from NYS?
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Mar 19, 2021 10:58:38 GMT -5
Deer season is way to long already. Is the NY DEC trying to eradicate the deer species from NYS? I'm pretty sure you would change your mind and the comment accordingly if ( God forbid) your child or a significant other would hit a rut driving white tailed deer on Rt. 17 or I-80 or name it at 65-70 mph at dusk. I saw enough such type of accidents while driving UP sate NY early morning or at dusk after hunting/fishing/trapping. Did not you ? I'm not talking about 52 ft long trucks to be involved, they don't even stop after such collision. I'm talking about Toyota Camry or Honda Civic drivers. May be you live locally without necessity to drive a long distance and may be because of that you live into illusion about whitetail deer population is declining in NYS. It is not, it is growing. Deer hunting license purchasers number is declining based on DEC statistics. So you have to consider an opportunity to prolong whitetail deer hunting season as a necessary measurement to keep deer herd at self sustainable level in NYS. BTW you personally put a token of support to such eco abnormality : you trap coyotes that are the only predators that can control while tailed deer population naturally. Nobody is against it because I'm a trapper myself but same time I'm a deer hunter. While my family consume a deer carcass till the last piece of a bone, trappers usually do not eat their trapped animals flesh and perform trapping for one simple reason - to sell pelts on fur auctions for an obvious reason - to get money. What Century are we living now, guys ? Seriously, are you killing ( trapping) animals for a profit ? Don't you have another opportunity to pay your bills ? C'mon.
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Post by coyote44 on Mar 22, 2021 6:03:21 GMT -5
When I first started deer hunting the season was 2 weeks and the following Monday and Tuesday to make up for the two Sundays because there was no Sunday Hunting. Nobody complained about not getting a deer only saying I'll try again next year. Extending the season is like kids in athletic competition nobody loses they all get a trophy. Why don't we go back to the two week season and tell the insurance companies that if they do business in NYS expect to pay for car deer accidents.
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Post by Dave Morse on Mar 22, 2021 11:05:21 GMT -5
deer season has been 3 weeks and 2 days for as long as i can remember
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Post by brooklynbeaver on Mar 22, 2021 13:48:33 GMT -5
It does not matter how long something was or is. The subject line of such topic is to support or not the initiative to prolong deer hunting season in NYS. So trappers use to stay oppose for the obvious reason : deer hunting prevent them to enter somebody's property for trapping and such opposition is clearly understandable. Same time we are ( at least majority of us) belong to homo sapience and can use critical approach to something that has cause and effect. DEC proposed such season prolongation for a reason . It is unclear about why they did not mention it in clear way to provide a scientifically supported data, we can ask them about. Same time we have a chance to approach analytically to what is going on and provide with clearly readable response : deer season must be prolong to keep our drivers safe, to reduce drivers death toll low. Than more coyotes we trap than more deer population will grow.
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Post by tony1967 on Mar 22, 2021 18:04:35 GMT -5
It is not about more deer take, it is about money. If they just wanted more deer killed then they should just let people use their rifle in the late season. Instead, they now have to buy a muzzleloader / archery tag. And honestly, how many more deer will really be taken this late season week? 1000, 2000? I don’t think that will make a tiny bit of difference in the overall deer/car collisions you keep quoting.
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tmc
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Post by tmc on Mar 29, 2021 11:26:09 GMT -5
True... I know I sound like a parrot, over and over again, but we are honestly crawling with deer. They literally are in the same class as vermin. 21 deer one night (average is 8 each night) chomping down the ewes in front of the house. I went out to scare them, they ignored me until I started chasing them away but by the time I got back in the house and looked out, they were right back at it again. It looked like a buffet line. I put up electric fence to protect the shrubbery and it was interesting to watch the does teaching their young how to avoid the fence. 92-acres of orchard, 200 trees per acre average, virtually every single tree with at least some type of damage ranging from all of the buds and twigs chewed off the outer and lower branches, to young trees totally devoid of buds or branches from the ground up. Hundreds of acres of woods, swamps, ravines, fields, and the orchard itself, and they congregate at residences to ravage the landscaping. Every trip to or from ANYWHERE and we at minimum see deer along the roads, at worst we nearly hit them in the roads, once last year I DID hit one. Rather, it hit my Jeep. I don't know the answer, if I killed 50 deer per season it wouldn't begin to make a difference, it wouldn't matter how long the season was, or if they allowed me to shoot deer year 'round. And that would almost be a full time job. At times we can count more than 200 in the orchard at once, just from an upstairs window. It's not going to be getting better, either.
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