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Post by jsevering on Sept 29, 2015 8:11:33 GMT -5
driving down the road and saw a roadkill sparrow... you know the pancake disc type with feathers still sticking up... remember using that set, after i read about it in the trapper, sometime back in the late seventies, early eighties to the best of my recollection, time wise.. remember it made a fairly decent flat set, although impractical to use as an actual go to... was almost tempted to make a u turn out of nostalgia i guess... any of you remember an old nostalgic classic set from the trapper, fur fish and game or some other magazine you tried and were somewhat fond of... remember Chanel # 5 ... you know that type of thing...jim
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Post by REDNECK on Sept 29, 2015 9:28:51 GMT -5
nope to young and to new to trapping but sounds cool
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Post by Zagman on Sept 29, 2015 10:15:12 GMT -5
I've used that set as well....but it has to be a male sparrow only.....male house sparrow, I meant.....
Canines are fussy....
MZ
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Post by walleyed on Sept 29, 2015 10:42:32 GMT -5
I've used that set as well....but it has to be a male sparrow only.....male house sparrow, I meant..... Canines are fussy.... MZ Along those Lines, I vaguely remember S.STANLEY HAWBAKER in The Book "Trapping The North American Furbearers" Recommending Burying A Dead Chicken up to It's Neck, and setting traps all around it as a sure fire fox and coon set. Never was Able to come up with The Mandatory Required Dead Chicken Growing Up in Suburban East Syracuse to Try That Set Out !!! walleyed
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Post by tmc on Sept 29, 2015 11:13:55 GMT -5
I've used that set as well....but it has to be a male sparrow only.....male house sparrow, I meant..... Canines are fussy.... MZ Don't forget to use the required amount - NO MORE OR LESS THAN 1.625 DROPS!!!! - of kangaroo pee. No good without that.
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Post by jsevering on Sept 29, 2015 11:53:31 GMT -5
I've used that set as well....but it has to be a male sparrow only.....male house sparrow, I meant..... Canines are fussy.... MZ ................................................................................... guess you were kind of lucky back then mark... you know .... the male house sparrow, being inclined to wearing its pecker on its face and all ... jim
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Post by Zagman on Sept 29, 2015 15:30:30 GMT -5
Like, wow, man.....like.....I got the munchies.....like....
MZ
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Post by jsevering on Sept 29, 2015 15:44:12 GMT -5
munchies are good... old stanley hawbaker had a bunch of sets in that book that were out there some.... remember the one with the small type chicken coop also... had some good sets in there like the suicide set also...
talk about different type sets that were out there some remember the mirror in a pocket set article,for mink... come on now how many of you guys stole your moms or sisters make up mirrors to try that one... lol how many of you chanced the seven year bad luck deal and broke them to get more sets in...jim
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Post by mole on Sept 29, 2015 15:54:15 GMT -5
I don't remember where we got the Idea but we chipped out a trough type hole in the ice . threw a beaver carcass in and filled with water. it froze and some stuck out. set traps hidden in snow around the frozen in bait. another; dug a ditch six inches or so deep about six feet long. covered middle with log board something, dirt on top. bait in middle under dirt & log and traps set in ditch
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Post by austinp on Sept 29, 2015 16:00:40 GMT -5
Like, wow, man.....like.....I got the munchies.....like....MZ plenty of room for you right next to Alfred for the "lessons" too
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Post by jsevering on Sept 29, 2015 16:12:14 GMT -5
that second set ed... wasn't that the chaff trench set or something to that effect... remember ol butchers all weather cubby set... at least, think it was ol butchers with the little drawing and the sly red fox checking it out... jim
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Post by mole on Sept 29, 2015 16:33:13 GMT -5
Jim, I think so. I have heard it called different names.
Donnie Newton in Arizona called it the Government set.
I have heard it called or referred to as the original Trench set.
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Post by mole on Sept 29, 2015 16:36:45 GMT -5
also, most would not even consider making a leaning pole set with a foot trap. Dailey, Arnold and that generation of trappers considered it a mainstay.
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Post by jsevering on Sept 29, 2015 16:38:26 GMT -5
thanks ed... the one i remember was hay chaff on the bottom and cheese curds or cracklings for bait burried in the chaff... sounds like the same set...jim
yup some of those foot hold tree sets were pretty ingenious with there platform use... remember as a kid reading arnolds beaver and trapping book over and over.... seemed that was about the most otter info at that time for a kid out there set wise... jim
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Post by austinp on Sept 29, 2015 16:44:36 GMT -5
first coon I ever caught was a fish-on-stick water set in #2 square jaw coil... and the first mink I ever caught was in the same set too.
went on to catch many, many coon with that simple set-up before I switched to bodygrips on dry land. Imagine it's as effective now as ever, with exception of bait need be wrapped in vegetation so not exposed.
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Post by jsevering on Sept 29, 2015 17:07:43 GMT -5
remember when i was a kid wasn't unusual to see a fish hanging from an overhanging branch and a trap or two under it in the water, pair of old timers, long gone now... brothers, used that set quite a bit... crude but they caught more fur than i would like to admit or look at passing bye... jim
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Post by mole on Sept 29, 2015 17:25:14 GMT -5
Austin P. Your set reminds me of J. Curtiss Gregg's stream line set.
Not sure of exact name but believe I am close. Old memory.
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Post by REDNECK on Sept 29, 2015 17:50:08 GMT -5
Hope to use the fish on a stick this year for mink and coon
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Post by austinp on Sept 29, 2015 18:01:04 GMT -5
Austin P. Your set reminds me of J. Curtiss Gregg's stream line set. Not sure of exact name but believe I am close. Old memory. Oh heck, that ain't "my set"... pulled it out of the old-time books or mags from somewhere. It was 40+ years ago when I first set those on my walking line, long before I had a driver's license Same with the concept of setting blind runs deep for rats with bigger traps... learned that from John Magel in the Iroquois wetlands complex and Frank Ikeler in the Conesus Inlet WMA. Also learned the concept of trail setting with bodygrips for coon from him, too. These days I merely pass on what I've discovered in the same manner those concepts were shown to me decades ago,
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Post by trappermac on Sept 29, 2015 18:32:07 GMT -5
How old is the apple on a stick for rats? Saw that diagram in the 60's and we would plaster the banks with legholds and apples sticking up everywhere up and down the banks. Didn't understand the bank den concept then, and not many coni's around yet...at least that we could understand how to use or set at 10 or 11. Took a few rats and a lot of sewer rats with those apples...;-) And all the elaborate log crossing sets that were diagramed in mags and old Harding books back then...we'd spend hours chopping out the perfect notch in a log with little Estwing hatchets. The log set for mink - place two 4 ft or so logs parallel to the bank spread apart a bit, a larger diameter log over the top and create a tunnel, leg hold at each end. Fun times.
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Post by jdpaint on Sept 29, 2015 19:35:58 GMT -5
Hi Jim S, neat thread.I rode a bike and used tinfoil on the pan ,long time ago.I go by the house where I took my course, once In awhile,all grown up with weeds and empty now.Long gone.I still remember though going to the field and watching my first ever dirt hole demo.Nothing more than a wobble hole and 1.5 size dirt pattern.My how things have changed.
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Post by mole on Sept 30, 2015 3:27:02 GMT -5
Had the pleasure of visiting with Gordy Berndt at NYSTA convention.
Old Dirt Hole Set Philosophy;
Hole had to be an exact size & angle, dirt pattern spread at an exact shape , only one set per stop and long distances between sets. etc.
Most if not all rules have been forgotten and or proved to be of little value.
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Post by jsevering on Sept 30, 2015 8:16:30 GMT -5
some of that stuff was written in stone... like carrying away your extra dirt or not leaving it by the set...
how about some of the digger sets... fish hook on the pan... think that one even had illustrations in the article when that came out... or traps set upside down in the bed to solve flipped traps... different world that's for sure... but lots of good old info also... but you sure needed a sifter for more than dirt... talking about dirt... how about the dreaded dry 'V' in the dirt pattern right were the fox had to step... thank god for blake and lamb and a solid trap pan.... jim
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Post by Dave Morse on Sept 30, 2015 8:25:39 GMT -5
Victor made a little "v" that pressed right into the pan to solve the drying v problem. I have an envelope full someplace.
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Post by jsevering on Sept 30, 2015 8:39:14 GMT -5
you were smarter than me... jim
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