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Post by jeckman on Jul 21, 2015 20:18:40 GMT -5
This site seems almost anti help a brother trapper out when it comes to trapping advice... Maybe change that a bit...
So what works or you prefer on k9s fox and yotes.. Natural like deer gut/skrat carcass or some food lure/bait kishells crossbreed or freeboroughs catdog...
I prefer all natural baits especially at the beginning of season. As it goes on and winter sets in a smellier bait seems to get there attention better but still i prefer natural. They seem to work it till they get it rather than get a nose full and continue....
Come on mid season boredom spice it up a bit....
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Post by jeckman on Jul 21, 2015 20:21:09 GMT -5
Maybe glands tickle your fancy.. I love glands early and i love glands late... What you think?
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Post by papabear on Jul 21, 2015 21:28:14 GMT -5
Dear Friend, Ever use grape jelly for canines? Regards
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Post by Dave Morse on Jul 22, 2015 4:58:34 GMT -5
Cherry pits, my three k-9 pets love them and can smell and seek out even when they are hidden in tall grass or under objects. Anybody collect choke cherries and preserve them for early season?
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Post by austinp on Jul 22, 2015 5:20:12 GMT -5
imo a fresh bait or very slight taint (sour) early and then louder baits when winter sets in work best for me. And don't overlook a fish based bait for canines too... especially smoked-cooked fish versus fresh. All canines will go well out of their way to eat cooked fish, fox - coyotes - coon killer in early season that does not elicit rubbing or rolling like decayed scents do.
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Post by White Mountain Trappers on Jul 22, 2015 5:40:50 GMT -5
I'm not very experienced but did find I started to get more action later in January with powder river bait. not so much early though. I may try a more subtle bait early on this year and go loud later....smoked fish sounds interesting
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Post by White Mountain Trappers on Jul 22, 2015 5:51:33 GMT -5
Dear Friend, Ever use grape jelly for canines? Regards hi papabear..is that just a glob of jelly down the hole?...and how about the hole in tree set??
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Post by jeckman on Jul 22, 2015 7:46:36 GMT -5
I've found that when i use a natural bait without any smells like castor or skunk i have a lot less pacers...
At some locations i on purpose set a loud smelly set just to catch them when they start pacing...
Nothing better than seeing a set of tracks walk up 3 ft from a set then pace straight to a blind set 15 foot away and get stuck...
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Post by jeckman on Jul 22, 2015 7:50:36 GMT -5
I don't recall ever catching a k9 on purpose using grape jelly but i have caught a grey in a pocket set for coon using grape..
I have actually made a few k9 sets using jelly tho.. Just never connected..
All that said location is what catches k9s...
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Jul 22, 2015 7:52:22 GMT -5
imo baits and lures are seasonal and/or temperature dependent to greater degrees than most trappers realize. It's not a case of bait or lure "working" out west or down south or up north, etc so much as it is matching seasonal - weather conditions in most cases.
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Jul 22, 2015 7:53:36 GMT -5
location is vitally important... but if your bait or lure sucks, all you'll see on location are a bunch of tracks going right past your sets without breaking stride
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Post by jeckman on Jul 22, 2015 8:30:48 GMT -5
I'd agree to a part temp dependant..
Come snow i catch probably right at half with strictly eye appeal without any smell...
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Post by jeckman on Jul 22, 2015 8:37:12 GMT -5
Always amazed at a k9 still working a set months later..
Had a red fox last year dig threw 3 foot of snow to get to a lure that was a very soft smell that i'd pulled roughly 3 months earlier...
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Post by mole on Jul 22, 2015 9:27:57 GMT -5
Have seen coyotes working last fall sets in the spring after the snow melts. Sometimes wonder if using way to much lure to start with.
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Post by papabear on Jul 22, 2015 18:16:01 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Bad,
20 hours ago papabear said: Dear Friend, Ever use grape jelly for canines? Regards
"hi papabear..is that just a glob of jelly down the hole?...and how about the hole in tree set??"
A tablespoon of grape jelly smeared at the bottom of a dirt hole should keep a critter busy long enough to get itself caught...For hole in the tree sets I prefer a more liquid type bait or a good call lure.
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Post by papabear on Jul 22, 2015 18:19:17 GMT -5
I don't recall ever catching a k9 on purpose using grape jelly but i have caught a grey in a pocket set for coon using grape.. I have actually made a few k9 sets using jelly tho.. Just never connected.. All that said location is what catches k9s... I bet you weren't using "SMUCKERS" grape jelly were you, lol! Regards
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Post by jeckman on Jul 22, 2015 21:49:37 GMT -5
Lol.. Doubt it on SMUCKERS.. Must be my problem using the cheapest stuff i could find. Probably a 2 for 1 deal at a dollar store grape jelly...
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Post by jsevering on Jul 23, 2015 6:25:45 GMT -5
Always amazed at a k9 still working a set months later..
kinda like checking lures out after the dry down time or the volatiles dissipate some, like putting a dab on a bounty towel and check it out a few days later, kinda interesting what the different undertones smell like or how they spike within different lures and how some lures vary so differently ... jim
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Jul 23, 2015 6:56:08 GMT -5
Always amazed at a k9 still working a set months later.. kinda like checking lures out after the dry down time or the volatiles dissipate some, like putting a dab on a bounty towel and check it out a few days later, kinda interesting what the different undertones smell like or how they spike within different lures and how some lures vary so differently ... jim yup... which is why many of the popular "commercial" lures are poor concoctions imo. If a lure bottle is stratified into three-five different ingredient layers like salad dressing, that is not good.
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Post by papabear on Jul 23, 2015 13:15:39 GMT -5
Have seen coyotes working last fall sets in the spring after the snow melts. Sometimes wonder if using way to much lure to start with. Dear Mr. Mole, 5-6 drops per set of this one 8 drops per set of that one, ect.ect. ect., were the suggested amounts from guys like Nelson, Laugman, Butcher, Daily, Rickard, Carmen, Thorpe, Black, and Marsyada. These days very few "Lure Makers" put a recommended application amount on the bottle. If one doesn't ask the compounder of that product then how would a trapper know with some certainty how much apply to his sets. I am of the opinion that a trapper should purchase his lures and baits well before the season and test them under different situations. Trying out and testing new lures during trapping season most likely will cost you fur. Knowing ahead of time the strengths, limitations, and proper applications of the lure/bait one is using goes a long ways towards success. Regards
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Post by jeckman on Jul 23, 2015 15:04:32 GMT -5
Papabear.. To that i say less is best ALWAYS... Relie on your location to make the catch not so much the set...
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Post by 9wire on Jul 23, 2015 18:39:07 GMT -5
Good conversation here, Jeck...
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Post by uncledoug on Jul 23, 2015 18:39:54 GMT -5
Last season I did well in the early season buy tossing a whole mouse down the dirt hole, once it got freezing cold I switched to Crossbones with good results, I stuck a small stick 1/2"dia x 8 or 10" long or so into the ground, left 5 or 6" sticking up then dipped the end in the lure, worked well for me. I noticed that a couple times they got the stick and missed the trap, but the stick would be close buy with the end chewed off.
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Post by richg072 on Jul 23, 2015 19:04:43 GMT -5
When you guys are using fresh bait, are you adding stuff to the meat or just plain meat? Most of the bait making stuff I see states it makes the meat very skunk , or strong and to me if I'm using fresh bait that's not what I want.
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Post by papabear on Jul 23, 2015 19:46:05 GMT -5
Dear Friends, Don't overlook the fact that canines have a sweet tooth. In the beginning part of the season don't be afraid to use baits that contain fruit and nut odors and other sweet smelling ingredients like honey, and yes you can add these ingredients to enhance meat based baits. As my good friend Mr. Von says: "match the hatch". Friends there's great truth and wisdom in that statement! Regards
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