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Post by squash on Apr 26, 2015 6:45:25 GMT -5
Helped move 40,000 Atlantic Salmon Fry from the incubator to our private hatchery yesterday. Part of the ongoing effort of the Fish Creek Atlantic Salmon Club, to reintroduce the once indigenous Atlantic Salmon to the Fish Creek/Oswego River system. Anyone that has any interest in supporting the effort, check out our website, www.fishcreeksalmon.orgThis is a private organization and the NYDEC is not involved, other than approving our stocking permit, and testing our fish.
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Post by peltseeker on Apr 26, 2015 8:35:39 GMT -5
Nice job and great work but i must admit i am a little leery of your post and club and let me explain why .. In your post you made mention of this being a private club and on the clubs website it is mentioned many times private club private hatchery no affiliation with DEC and so on ect. Clubs often start with great intentions but then things begin to happen such as average joe fisherman catching a whopper or limit of those fish and some club members get disgruntled because they did not get to reap the benefits of their hard work and catch that whopper or limit ... This happens more often than not and club members at club meetings begin floating an idea about their hard work being reason to close this part of a stream or that part of a river or even as a case i know of exactley an entire lake off limits to anyone but club members.I applaud your endeavor and hard work and commend your results but please be for the reintroduction of the indigenous atlantic salmon for the benefit of all new york anglers and a specific species ,not a private club .... i may only travel once in my life time to fish the waters your club has stocked if at all ,but if i do it would be nice to know i didnt make the drive for naught because the river stream lake or pond is closed to everyone but club members.. just my two cents
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Post by squash on Apr 26, 2015 20:35:38 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze me how sportsmen and women can take a positive endeavor and try to shoot it down. I don't know what the heck you're talking about ? This organization has stocked over half million Atlantics into public fishing waters since 1997. No one in this open to the public club is doing this for self gain. We have 60 members, most have never caught a Atlantic salmon in the watershed we stock. The club is open to all who will part with annual dues of $15, that is used to buy salmon eggs. Who else is going to do it,the DEC ? There is a state wide season on Atlantic/Landlocked salmon and the size limit is 15". We favor catch and release, but if you want to keep a legal size salmon ,go for it. NY anglers have been catching Atlantics in Oneida Lake for some time now, last I knew they could still catch walleyes, perch, bass, and what ever else swims there. We are not political, if the DEC was involved then it would be screwed up.. This endeavor is not costing you or any other taxpayer Diddly, except for the testing of the fry by the DEC, and until this year the club payed for the testing. But you and every other angler can fish this mostly public waters. I guess by your reasoning there should be no Pacific Salmon, Steelheads, or Brown trout in Lake Ontario ? All non-indigenous. Or maybe the DEC shouldn't be reclaiming remote Brook Trout lakes and ponds in the Adk's ? We're not talking cuddly scared cow fur bearers here, like the river otter.
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Post by peltseeker on Apr 26, 2015 21:01:34 GMT -5
ROFLMAO wait did i shoot it down? i think not if you reread my post i gave you kudos for your endeavor !!!! I applaud your dedication to the club and fish and i personally thank you for such .... All i said was your post and the club page make emphasis on how its a private club private hatchery and so on and so on and things tend to get real private real fast when only private money is involved .... The DEC is involved on every level whether or not you want to admit it ... The permit to raise the fry, regulations to catch the fish , the monitoring of the watershed and so on and so on .... There is a lake near me that a private association has closed to all who do not belong because they feel its in their interest to protect the fish that my tax dollars paid for years to stock.. It was a beautiful fishery that i enjoyed both summer and winter and now i cant even shore fish because its all private ... See MY POINT
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Post by peltseeker on Apr 26, 2015 21:50:08 GMT -5
Then you have QDM morons closing acres and acres of once open lands for the vanity of a set of antlers ... Total disregard for the animal or tradition .. Just because they have a pool of money and belong to a club they can influence how i have to hunt and where i can hunt and what i can harvest ... HOGWASH!!!! so if i am a sportsmen shooting down an endeavor its that of private clubs dictating how i live hunt fish and trap ... I will never knock any organization that conducts itself for the betterment of a species or those who pursue it, if thats its intent .But you see how good intentions of clubs can be detrimental to the overall grand scheme of things ..
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Post by Zagman on Apr 27, 2015 5:16:16 GMT -5
This group is the real deal.....my buddy Tom Schneider has been involved from Day One, and that has to go back nearly 20 years now? Can't remember exactly, but sure seems like it........
MZ
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Post by austinp on Apr 27, 2015 5:43:26 GMT -5
we have native landlocked salmon in Hemlock and Canadice lakes here, both public waters forever. I'll join that group simply because it's cheap to support the work they do. Kudos to them, never knew they existed before. As for the QDM comments, the most well-managed deer acreage in this state bar none is ALWAYS proper QDM. Other than that, one can go hunt untold thousands of acres state WMAs where blasting fawns and spike-horned babies as the major bulk of total harvest keeps the deer herd skewed in perpetuity
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Post by silverfox on Apr 27, 2015 6:26:24 GMT -5
i think maybe you're (peltseeker) confusing your negative experience, which apparently had to of taken place on privately owned property, with what this group is doing, as stated and painfully obvious they stock public waterways that are not land locked by private property that could be potentially closed off, i may be biased as my son works at a privately owned hatchery in AK that stocks hundreds of thousands (he just tagged 160,000 salmon the last 2 weeks) into public waterways to be used by the public (probably has some state and federal funding but irrelevant) and squash's group is in all essence doing the same thing, for the benefit of the watershed, the resource, and the outdoorsman, I applaud this groups initiative 100%, in light of all the trapping regulation proposed changes and restrictions, this brings some ray of hope back to my wavering trust in future outdoor opportunities in NY, and plan on supporting any way i can, their endeavors in the future
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Post by tmc on Apr 27, 2015 8:33:09 GMT -5
peltseeker, you talking about The Adirondack League Club? IF so, then I completely understand your concerns. But, squash is talking about a club a world apart. Apples & oranges. BIG time.
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Post by peltseeker on Apr 27, 2015 15:56:32 GMT -5
Wow guess Im just worried about this club and that club and that association that we all hear about all the time thinking that they have the right to take over the pursuit of something because they know better than everyone else how it should be done and because they did the work it should be theirs to control....As for the deer debate austin i would rather take that buck fawn that has a sixty seven percent chance of dying in its first year from something other than a hunters bullet or arrow and enjoy the table fare then take some old buck that eats like shoe leather because he has some large set of antlers .... I dont hunt for head gear i hunt for meat and that is all ... every deer i take is a trophy for me ... mabey thats hard for you to understand because from every post i have read of yours you try to come across as the best in everything with the most knowledge of anyone in here,But the deer debate you can not win because you have no expertise in biology or genetics if you think just because you let one deer go it will grow some mythical set of horns your completely and utterly wrong ... so do your homework and get some real knowledge on the subjects and while there add some geography and throw in a little chemistry and stop watching the outdoor TV shows where they hunt on fenced property and give their deer top quality feed and water ... Thats not hunting deer buddy thats shooting beef in a pasture ....
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Post by peltseeker on Apr 27, 2015 16:01:29 GMT -5
Squash my sincere apology to you and your club ... I wish you all the best and success ..I applaud your efforts for the betterment of fishing for everyone and i Thank you ..
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