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Post by jsevering on Apr 5, 2015 9:50:52 GMT -5
6 nycrr part 6, section 6.2 nysdec regulatory agenda for 2015 states:
"these amendments are needed to implement certain aspects of a fisher management plan expected to be adopted in early 2015. additional amendments to this section are needed to clarify specifications for legal sizes and placement of traps for certain species." ................................................................
"additional amendments to this section are needed to clarify specifications for legal sizes and placement of traps for certain species."
so much for any full disclosure in that so called management plan, hope they.. who...or whatever... realize what they may of actually also supported... jim
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Post by k9goodtimes on Apr 5, 2015 11:04:01 GMT -5
That just reads "no more 150-160 or 220 leaning pole sets after Fisher season closes". We are going to feel the repercussions of this plan forever, and not just in Fisher trapping, in all species.
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Post by johnrockwood on Apr 5, 2015 12:05:10 GMT -5
Also could mean no more baited body grips on land at any time except when the fisher season is open. Think about that one..............
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Post by paintedpaw on Apr 5, 2015 13:38:14 GMT -5
New York is already one of the most heavily regulated states when it comes to trapping. Strict attention to all that DEC is proposing must be very carefully examined. There are numerous subtle wordings being slipped in that could have devestating affects upon ALL NEW YORK TRAPPERS if allowed to stand.
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Post by erict on Apr 5, 2015 20:21:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 8:31:05 GMT -5
It's always painful to be in a one-way relationship... when you are on the giving side only, and not the taking side.
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Post by mole on Apr 6, 2015 14:37:06 GMT -5
I can see no baited body grips on land ever.
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Post by paintedpaw on Apr 6, 2015 15:42:00 GMT -5
Our neighbor, Pennsylvania, already restricts trappers to only set conibears within the confines of a watercourse.
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Post by redknot on Apr 7, 2015 12:33:33 GMT -5
Well as we all know total agreement makes for some boring conversation, and there’s nothing boring about this thread...
Herm, I would like to point out that you are absolutely incorrect about my NOT speaking to other members of the FRC (as well as the Chair of the Small Game Committee), I certainly did. Perhaps you misinterpreted what Emily meant by what she said to you. It could be she didn’t want to admit she knows me at all or that we speak on occasion; she wouldn’t be the first woman to deny knowing me! All kidding aside, what the FRC came up with was simply: supportive of a conservative approach to fisher management in NY.
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Post by paintedpaw on Apr 7, 2015 14:04:28 GMT -5
Redknot everyone has a right to an opinion, however in my opinion you threw New York Trappers under the bus!
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Post by jsevering on Apr 7, 2015 15:23:14 GMT -5
that there was a conservative response... i for some reason thought better of you jim, im not even going to give you my conservative response.... jim
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Post by redknot on Apr 7, 2015 15:39:16 GMT -5
Actually Jim, I'd rather hear what you have to say...If you want to send it PM that's fine, but I am interested in your opinion...
Jim
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Post by herm on Apr 7, 2015 18:19:53 GMT -5
Well as we all know total agreement makes for some boring conversation, and there’s nothing boring about this thread... Herm, I would like to point out that you are absolutely incorrect about my NOT speaking to other members of the FRC (as well as the Chair of the Small Game Committee), I certainly did. Perhaps you misinterpreted what Emily meant by what she said to you. It could be she didn’t want to admit she knows me at all or that we speak on occasion; she wouldn’t be the first woman to deny knowing me! All kidding aside, what the FRC came up with was simply: supportive of a conservative approach to fisher management in NY. I am going by what is posted on KCs Hounds and Hunting on the message forum on the Fisher Plan Thread.
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Post by jsevering on Apr 7, 2015 20:20:49 GMT -5
my personal opinion is i have no opinion on how you may of responded personally... which is your right and i wouldn't fault you on your personal opinion as its just as equal as mine, regardless if we agree or not.... where i find fault is you all as a committee knew or hopefully known of nysta and jti's position in this...
i think but am not sure... only you know for sure.... that you also came here looking for support in what the committee, however that works, had backing of at least some of the trappers opinion wise... don't think you found it, so am really baffled by the official response...
so my opinion is the council basically could give a rats ass about the trappers they claim to represent as a whole... am i wrong?
as someone on the outside looking in so to speak, im truly hoping that the counsel didn't or hopefully... didn't know about the "needed amendments" to the plan that now also needs to be attached... if so does the counsel committee have the exact wording in hand that are going to be attached in regard to trap sizes and placement? you know fool me once... fool me again
what is your opinion on that... the needed amendment request before the plan is even adopted as is or the ink a chance to dry... good faith?
did the council committee give any thought to fisher and roosting turkeys... white rabbit populations, grouse, raccoons... they are an eating machine... like most weasels they have no bag limits on their metabolism or what is needed to keep them going, they'll even take down a grey or red fox... don't believe me... there's video of it, happening in the adirondacks ... joe vanhouten use to have, still may have a good picture of one taking down a fawn... there top dog in their habitat, everything else is food but you wont hear that from dec or cornell... don't fit in with their game plan... believe it or not either do we...
would the council committee supported the "needed amendments in regard to traps" also in this plan... just wondering...jim
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Post by redknot on Apr 8, 2015 14:06:26 GMT -5
Jim, I certainly agree about personal opinions and comments sent to the DEC from individuals. Yes I did know of the NYSTA's/JTI comments to the Fisher Plan and I learned last summer that the NYSTA/JTI committee was adamantly opposed to bag limits, aside from marten, which was a surprise to me. However, the comments from NYSTA/JTI do not reflect the views of all trappers in NY any more than comments from NYSCC FRC's do. There are probably trappers who's views are covered by neither.
Yes, I come on this site to learn things, that's part of the reason for the site. I read a lot of things on here related to fisher that weren't included in the NYSTA/JTI or FRC comments...Some of them really didn't fit the wheelhouse for FRC, but were dead nuts for the NYS FWMB. A lot of those issues were from Al (Fisherman)...He was right on about habitat management and a lot of that was included in the response from the FWMB...In fact I believe we hammered DEC pretty good in that regard. But again, I doubt every trapper's view were covered...
A short answer regarding the NYSCC FRC caring about trappers - more than some believe for sure...
I know nothing about the amendments and only became aware of them yesterday after reading your post...I have asked DEC for clarification, but have not heard anything as of yet...
I haven't formulated any opinions on the amendments, but I think you know my feelings about fooled once...
The FRC did consider small game and asked for input from the NYSCC Small Game Committee...
I'll answer more fully when I have additional time, but I appreciate you asking the questions you did and wanted to ay least start answering your questions...
BTW - I also sent a PM...Jim
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Post by mikespring on Apr 8, 2015 17:49:08 GMT -5
The damage she speaks of is nonsence.
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Post by mole on Apr 8, 2015 19:19:01 GMT -5
Some things got deleted here. I did it.
Got a problem , take it up with Wayne.
Please stay on Topic. I am not here to argue just make sure that there is nothing that can be used against us.
If I have offended any one, I apologise.
Thank You Ed
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Post by paintedpaw on Apr 8, 2015 19:20:06 GMT -5
Jim Severing I would thank you for bringing to light the "additional amendments needed to clarify specifications of legal trap sizes and placement of the traps in conjunction with their anticipated implementation of the fisher management plan. I for one was unaware of this. Much can be imagined of this, but considering how anal DEC was with the use of baited conibears in order to protect Pine Marten, even in areas where there are no marten, one can see nothing good coming out of this.
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Post by johnrockwood on Apr 8, 2015 19:31:10 GMT -5
Thank you Mole!
Also, I echo Al's thanks to Jim Severing as I was also unaware of this "new" information on the DEC website until he posted it here.
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Post by paintedpaw on Apr 8, 2015 19:58:19 GMT -5
I thought Mr.Mole asked that we stay on topic?
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Post by kirkwooder on Apr 8, 2015 20:02:39 GMT -5
I was writing my response when Mr Mole posted that, and I would have no problem with my post being deleted as long as all off topic post get the same treatment.
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Post by johnrockwood on Apr 8, 2015 20:15:55 GMT -5
It's already done - I had it taken care of. Thank you Ed and Dale!
Next time I see posts with that type of content I will suggest a vacation from this site for the posters, not just removal of the posts.
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Post by jdpaint on Apr 8, 2015 21:42:12 GMT -5
I guess we all kinda of knew deep down that traps and settings would be involved.How bad do you think it will be? My opinion the Catskills will be ok but the north and the expansions will have it tough ,and if they feel the population is lowering due to harvest or whatever they feel like dreaming up, could get severe.With the seemingly lack of regard for the JTI and NYSTA if one looks into the future it shows how easily everything could be shut down.It sure does look like much of this has been planned and planned well years ago.I sure do regret filling out that first questioner .Bobcat catches have been tarnished for me , no hair ,ticks and most of all when talking to the biologist that does the seals on the phone he stated they are a heck of a trophy arent they ,and dumbass me says ya they dont come around very often and a heck of an animal to be around live in a trapset. Little did I know how they were using the word Trophy.Trickery.I always thought Redknot was with the JTI ,sure was well informed a few months ago when and where cables were gonna go.Great speaker and good with words but dangerous it seems.The women with the hounds if my memory serves me runs or did run nuisance bear for the DEC during the daylight that are bothering camps or someone left there garbage out and got strung around.. Think hard on that ,she is pretty much stating fisher is a nuisance animal and has hounds.
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Post by jsevering on Apr 9, 2015 7:43:09 GMT -5
"I always thought Redknot was with the JTI ,sure was well informed a few months ago when and where cables were gonna go.Great speaker and good with words but dangerous it seems."
i don't think jim is any more dangerous than you or me in certain regards.... he explained in his pm what had transpired to allow him to send in the response, i believe him... i owe him that to be fair, in regard to a previous post, based on what i read on the other forum also...want to clear the air there... jim
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Post by paintedpaw on Apr 9, 2015 8:52:46 GMT -5
Mr. JDPAINT, Just to clear the air. The JTI Committee has been in existance for 27 years. Mr.Redknot is not now, never has been, and never will be a member of the committee.
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