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Post by crabbait on Mar 27, 2015 5:15:02 GMT -5
Did they just stop the auction? I can't seem to get an update in my account. Did they make it through the bears and wolverines at least?
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Post by crabbait on Mar 27, 2015 5:20:44 GMT -5
Nevermind!! I didn't look at the correct schedule. Guess I need some more coffee this morning.
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Post by nyrat on Mar 27, 2015 15:24:00 GMT -5
from what i can see the auction is in the dump . lots of buy back and what is saling at low prices
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Post by gamehunterdh on Mar 27, 2015 20:00:00 GMT -5
yupp looks like it^
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Post by austinp on Mar 28, 2015 7:58:33 GMT -5
how'd those NYS eastern grade rats do? I averaged nearly $7 here at local sales with no other costs involved. Past few years all I heard about in here was how I lost money by selling local, how NAFA is the highest prices always & forever, etc. so let's hear about those lofty averages from this sale... business as usual?
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Post by 160andup on Mar 28, 2015 8:30:57 GMT -5
$6.56 average for my rats
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Post by Dave Morse on Mar 28, 2015 8:44:19 GMT -5
4.71 here on rats, you win some you lose some. I have outdone anything local on many occasions. Having several outlets is important, knowing which one to use at any given time is the trick. I hope the prices find a level that keeps competition down but at the same time high enough to make it worth doing.
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Post by austinp on Mar 28, 2015 8:54:21 GMT -5
my point is, no outlet is the perfect one year after year. NAFA averages are usually false reports... don't include smalls and damaged, etc. Most NAFA shippers dump their kits and damaged locally, forget to average those results into the cherry-picked highgrades sent to NAFA. Not saying everyone does that nor am I refuting that NAFA yields highest prices... some years. Just not every year, as many of us have said in here for years now
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Post by tmc on Mar 28, 2015 9:52:51 GMT -5
My sister & brother-in-law had a 3-story home in Saranac Lake that they sold many years ago when they moved south. It was one of the oldest in the village. In the basement were 3 furnaces/boilers: a gas (I think propane?) furnace, an oil furnace, and a wood/coal furnace. They had a 2,000-gallon oil tank, they'd buy at the lowest prices and stock up. Ditto coal and wood, and IIRC propane. The water heater was a side-arm type, somehow rigged to run off whatever furnace/boiler was in operation. And they had electric heat. The point is, they used whichever fuel source was cheapest. They didn't always choose the winner. In contrast, most of the neighbors using only one fuel source generally fared as well or better, when averaged out over several years. But, just like here and everywhere else that humans congregate, they KNEW they were doing better because THEY were using their smarts while other people were just being sheeple. I was happy when I used NAFA and they paid a lot that year (2 seasons ago). But I had to wait... And I've been happy with local, especially Mr. Rockwood (no offense whatsoever to any other local buyers!); and I was paid on-the-spot. I wouldn't be happy with NAFA this year. And maybe not happy with locals 2 years ago. Who knows? We're always looking for better, afraid we didn't get the best, and telling others that we did better than they did. Pr. 20:14 pretty much sums it up for me.
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Post by psb1011 on Mar 28, 2015 14:51:17 GMT -5
I was there for 2 days.Reds did brutally horrible with numerous lots went with out a bid.Upper end greys faired better,and coyote auction was lively. Didn't pay attention to much else,didn't want to see a bloody train wreck.
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Post by whistlerwhittler on Mar 28, 2015 15:18:19 GMT -5
Averaged $7.15 on rats (yes that's before commission). That's about what I had expected based on reports. I'd love to go to a fur sale on the weekend, but we're usually busy running our 3 boys around. The NAFA pickup in North Syracuse and the FHA pickup in Weedsport are close and usually work out best for me.
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Post by BlackBearBill on Mar 28, 2015 15:30:52 GMT -5
my point is, no outlet is the perfect one year after year. NAFA averages are usually false reports... don't include smalls and damaged, etc. Most NAFA shippers dump their kits and damaged locally, forget to average those results into the cherry-picked highgrades sent to NAFA. Not saying everyone does that nor am I refuting that NAFA yields highest prices... some years. Just not every year, as many of us have said in here for years now I avg. 7.05 for 178 out of 179 rats, one buy back. $19 for two top lot rats. Plus profit sharing to be paid next year ( this year was 48.44), Will continue to sell NAFA rather than local. I have sold local for the last 40 plus years and NAFA for the past four, making out better the past four. Funny how the non senders continue to put down NAFA. when prices are not where everyone would like them to be. Bill
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Post by austinp on Mar 28, 2015 15:56:55 GMT -5
Bill, no one happy about rats being 1/2 to 2/3 what last year topped. If you've been here for a few years, you must recall prior fur sale threads where sellers at local outlets were ridiculed for "selling too low" and "must be desperate for money" because we sold elsewhere. At that time myself and others related how sometimes shipping to auction is tops and other times selling local is tops. You did about the same as selling local this time, many others this year are reporting lower prices than yours inside numerous online sources... in addition to other furs beside muskrats. My point is not to put down anything... but to uplift other sales avenues equal to NAFA over the course of time. Sometimes in the future I might ship again, not opposed to that. Nor do I castigate others who opt to sell wherever they choose
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Post by austinp on Mar 28, 2015 16:04:54 GMT -5
I was there for 2 days.Reds did brutally horrible with numerous lots went with out a bid. Upper end greys faired better,and coyote auction was lively. Didn't pay attention to much else,didn't want to see a bloody train wreck. well, not many if any guys work harder on the trapline & fur shed than you do, Phil. imo you deserve six-figure rewards every year for the catches you produce. Unfortunately, the wild fur market of late seems to be either bubbled highs or crashed lows rather than a steady increase in prices. The global economy in particular China & Russia along with this year's glut of ranch mink, coon and maybe other items is concerning for prices. $30 - $40 avg reds and $9 - $10 avg rats consistently would be great. Hopefully we'll all see that again before too long. Maybe even $50 eastern coyotes for your friend Zagger... unless he's headed to the Rockies from now on instead
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Post by Zagman on Mar 28, 2015 20:26:32 GMT -5
Everyone gets cocky and confident on whether to sell or not..........AFTER the sale! Seen it a million times on the 'net.
Pick next year Super Bowl's winner NOW....not after the playoffs are over.....good luck.
At the end of the day, NONE of us know what will happen....it's all timing, luck, and our best-guestimate.....
I've sold local, to NAFA, and other outlets....and the truth be told, I never know how any of those sales will go until I get the check in the mail....and generally, I am let down!
You will never see me questioning ANYONE as to where or why the sell or to whom......WTH do I know?
We all hope for the best, but at the end, we have as much say in this game as we do when we buy stocks or mutual funds.....cross your fingers and toes!
MZ
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Post by austinp on Mar 29, 2015 4:24:27 GMT -5
personally speaking, I've always been much more nervous and uncertain than cocky and confident when it comes to SuperBowls, stock markets and wild fur sales. Seems like more often than not thru the years, I'm wrong.
one topic thread we haven't seen lately and probably won't see for awhile is, "can I make a living from fur trapping?"
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Post by minkwaders on Mar 29, 2015 7:15:36 GMT -5
I guess I made out pretty good selling 500 rats at $6 on the carcass.
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Post by trappermac on Mar 29, 2015 8:27:13 GMT -5
I've sold to NAFA over the years a few times, generally I sell local and am happy with what I get paid, my choice to say yay or nay to what's offered. And that's all that matters. I don't play the "I told you so" game like some here do.
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Post by austinp on Mar 29, 2015 8:51:40 GMT -5
I don't play the "I told you so" game like some here do. no one suggested you in particular said anything such before, mac. I myself don't play the immature stalking & trolling games, nor do I feel the need to state that fact at random out of the blue. I would assume no one assumes I do, so why bother stating the obvious? I myself do have a long memory and don't forget many individual trappers being ridiculed and badgered in the past over things that later on prove to be true. Lord knows I've been wrong many times about stuff myself and you know I'm quick to apologize for such when applicable. Now that the inevitable wild fur cycle has circled from euphoric highs with a few semi-orgasmic NAFA shippers and back to recent trough lows where equilibrium returns, we now have the entire picture to view. I'm simply pointing out what many people here think, feel and vocalize elsewhere. Years later now, there is a lesson of wisdom & clarity for all of us here
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Post by minkwaders on Mar 29, 2015 9:25:17 GMT -5
Everything austin says must be true...because i read it on the internet.
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Post by austinp on Mar 29, 2015 10:29:32 GMT -5
Everything austin says must be true...because i read it on the internet. what I said is true because it's archived in the historical threads here you cannot believe everything you read on the internet, though. generally speaking, if anyone here has ever gone thru more than one alias to another, you can totally disregard anything they post as utter b.s. hope that advice helps clarify
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Post by minkwaders on Mar 29, 2015 11:16:37 GMT -5
Acorrding to the mob over on Tman that statement isn't true.
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Post by austinp on Mar 29, 2015 11:56:14 GMT -5
Acorrding to the mob over on Tman that statement isn't true.
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Post by uncledoug on Mar 29, 2015 12:59:49 GMT -5
Nevermind!! I didn't look at the correct schedule. Guess I need some more coffee this morning. I'm thinking this post should have ended here.
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Post by austinp on Mar 29, 2015 13:29:20 GMT -5
if there were no extended conversations in here at all, you'd have a new post to read once every several days or so. The only problem with this thread, like about all other message board threads, is the immature juveniles always reverting to personal insults. The midget minds of message boards anywhere men gather for any topic, all the same. Keeping the discussions impersonal is unfortunately impossible.
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