Post by buckhunter649 on Aug 19, 2007 21:13:21 GMT -5
I've always wondered that myself. I heard it's not around these parts much, but that might be from the people that are digging it too. Tell you the truth I don't even know what it looks like. Anybody a ginseng pro with some pics?
Post by Dave Leibig on Aug 20, 2007 4:58:23 GMT -5
I hunt for Ginseng for my own consumption. I know the seeds have to be replanted within a few feet of where you found the plant. The regs on the age changes all the time for selling it. I personally only dig no less than 10 yrs old roots. I have a nice hillside that I pick from every year. There can be money made at it. Just a lot of hard work and time. It grows mainly on the north facing slopes of mountains. I never heard of it growing on flat land. Good luck...Dave
Not that much in the way of regulations, just sound management practices for future use. You CAN'T harvest any from state lands however. Here's the NY Regulation's on the harvest of ginseng..... Section 193.4 American ginseng.
Definitions - When used in this Part, the following words shall have the indicated meanings:
(a) "Certification" means the ginseng carries a certificate of origin issued, in triplicate, by the Department of Environmental Conservation which allows the export from New York of ginseng legally collected in the wild or cultivated in New York.
(b) "Collector" means one who collects ginseng in New York State.
(c) "Collecting" means cutting, gathering, rooting, serving, injuring, destroying, removing, or carrying away any ginseng plants or parts of plants thereof.
(d) "Commissioner" means the Commissioner of the Department of Environmental Conservation.
(e) "Cultivated ginseng" means ginseng other than that found growing naturally in the wild, Cultivated ginseng is grown in prepared beds or patches under natural or artificial conditions and is manipulated by standard or other appropriate ginseng horticultural or agricultural practices.
(f) "Department" means the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation.
(g) "Export" means transport, ship, carry, haul, take or otherwise remove ginseng from New York State.
(h) "Ginseng" means the roots and/or aerial parts in whole, part, or in any form, of American ginseng, "Panax quinquefolius, Linnaeus."
(i) "Ginseng dealer" means any person who barters, trades, purchases or otherwise conveys ginseng for resale or export including retailers who buy ginseng from collectors.
(j) "Green ginseng" means fresh ginseng root(s) that has not been intentionally subjected to a drying process and from which most natural moisture has not been removed by drying.
(k) "Non-New York ginseng" means ginseng not grown or collected within the borders of the State of New York.
(l) "Purchase or buy" means to acquire, obtain, or receive ginseng or to attempt to acquire, obtain or receive ginseng by the exchange of money or other valuable consideration and specifically includes barter or exchange.
(m) "Sell or sale" means to dispose of, transfer or convey or attempt to dispose of, transfer or convey by exchange of money or other valuable consideration and specifically includes barter or exchange.
(n) "State inspector" means any Department employee who has been designated by the Commissioner to weigh and certify ginseng roots.
(o) "Wild ginseng" means any ginseng grown naturally in New York State, which is not cultivated ginseng. Such wild ginseng occurs in naturally perpetuated habitat, where the species is naturally propagated or with only limited planting of local wild seed by people, and no subsequent tending of the species or habitat before harvest.
Section 193.5 Collection, sale and conservation of New York ginseng -
(a) Season -
(1) Wild ginseng may be collected only between September 1 and November 30 of any year.
(2) The purchase from collectors or sale to dealers of green wild ginseng between the first day of January and the 31st day of August is prohibited.
(3) Dry ginseng may not be purchased or sold during the period of April 1 to September 15 in any year unless previously weighed and recorded by the State by March31.
(b) Maturity -
(1) Only wild ginseng plants with at least 3 five-leaflet leaves (prongs) may be collected.
(2) No wild plant with green, unripe fruit and immature seeds may be collected.
(3) All seeds from collected wild ginseng plants must be planted, in mineral soil to the depth of the thickness of the seed within 50 feet of the place of collection, immediately after collection.
Section 193.6 Certification of ginseng -
(a) All New York ginseng intended for export must be certified by the Department on forms provided by the Department, before export from the state. Certification must include date of harvest, weight of ginseng, designation of cultivated or wild, whether ginseng is green or dry, dealer’s signature, state inspector’s signature, date of certification, shipment number, dealer’s registration number, and certification number. Inspection of ginseng to verify plant maturity will be made at this time of certification. Inspections will be made at Department regional or sub-offices in Regions 2 through 9. Inspections will be made by Department employees designated by the Commissioner. Dealers must make appointments for inspections with Department inspectors.
(b) Non-New York ginseng will not be certified as New York ginseng.
Section 193.7 Ginseng dealers -
(a) Permit - Any ginseng dealer residing in New York must obtain a dealer’s permit from the Department. Any non-resident ginseng dealers who purchase wild or cultivated New York ginseng must obtain a dealer’s permit from the Department and comply with this part. This permit will be valid for a calendar year or as established by the Department.
(b) Records - All ginseng dealers must keep records, on forms furnished by the Department, of all commerce in ginseng. These records must include record number, date of purchase, name, address and phone number of the collector or ginseng dealer from who the ginseng was purchased, date collected, designation of wild or cultivated, whether ginseng was green or dry, county and town where dug, or foreign country or other state where ginseng was originally certified and identification of original certification, weight of ginseng bought or sold in pounds and ounces, dealer and dealer address. These records must be kept for a period of three years and must be made available to the Department upon request.
(c) Report - Dealers must report ginseng commerce to the Department every 90 days. Reports are due on April 15, July 15, October15, and January 15. Reports must be made on forms furnished by the Department and will cover the previous calendar quarter, except for the January report, which will cover the previous calendar year.
(d) Purchase - Ginseng dealers, when dealing in New York ginseng, must handle only ginseng collected in accordance with Section 193.5 of this part. Non-New York ginseng must be purchased in accordance with rules of the state or country of origin. Uncertified Non-New York ginseng may not be purchased and exported.
(e) Unsold ginseng - ginseng unsold by dealers by March 31 must be weighed by Department and recorded. Future sales and certification to be issued against this weight.
Section 193.8 Penalties -
The civil and criminal penalty provisions of Environmental Conservation Law Sections 71-4001 and 71-4003 are applicable to violations of this Part. In addition, permit modifications, suspensions or revocations will be governed by Section 621.13 of this Title
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I have a bunch of it at one of our County Parks (not NP). Several years ago I took a picture in late spring of about thirty or so plants blooming...I went back to the area in mid September, and could find only 1 immature plant, and lots of excavation sign. I did talk to the local ECO about it because it is illegal to dig on property if you don't have permission, and whoever took it did not have permission. That area is watched more carefully now...
Dave L. is right on the money about the north facing slopes....
Post by Dave Leibig on Aug 21, 2007 17:09:51 GMT -5
Just a little info...If by chance you find a root that looks like a mans body...two arms two legs a body and an extra leg if you know what I mean :-[....don't dry it preserve the root fresh the Chinese will pay big $ for it. Ginseng is also called Man root for obvious reasons as described above...In areas where the tree caterpillars went through will be hard to find ginseng with all the undergrowth. The leaves look almost identical to blackberry leaves. Makes it kind of confusing while looking. Just a hint while walking and looking when you take a rest, look down. I could not tell you how many plants I found that way. Some between my big feet...lol...Good luck...Dave
I always wondered about it in NY myself. I saw plenty of it at Tennessee fur auctions and tried to understand the logic behind the different pricing. I can say for certain that I saw some sell at some local auctions for more than $400 per pound of dried root. I also saw some sell for for around $50 per pound of dried root. It has to do with age, quality, color, location picked. The buyers told me its like every thing else, sometimes hard for beginners to understand. Like buying coon. Some sell for 10 bucks and some for 1 buck. All about the quality. Dave Liebig, what do you do with your harvested ginseng? personal use? Chub
Post by walkonwater on Aug 22, 2007 12:11:25 GMT -5
Interesting link Wayne. Good info but I am not sure if Sylvan Botanicals still exist. The email link is invalid and the phone # not in service. I know where there is some ginseng but never harvested any. It would be good to have a contact that can give good advice as to harvesting parctices and the market. From what I read, Catskill ginseng is the best in the world... and I am only an hour from China Town!